Nvidia Kepler Yields Lower Than Expected –CEO. Fermi 2.0?

[Lonyo]

Not sure if I missed it but what happened to the Borderlands 2 demo at PDXLan? I had read that it was supposed to run on Kepler, did that happen?

A quick Google search throws up the hilarious news.

The special presentation was apparently Borderlands 2 on... a Tegra 3 tablet.
Nothing to do with Kepler at all.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4249326

 

[tviceman]

A quick Google search throws up the hilarious news.

The special presentation was apparently Borderlands 2 on... a Tegra 3 tablet.
Nothing to do with Kepler at all.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4249326

Which is even more incredibly strange, because wasn't the demonstration supposed to be physx related? Demoing Tegra3 to a crowd of hardcore PC players who were expecting something else was not a great PR event.

 

[Keysplayr]

Hey, you said it brother! Nvidia doesn't have a damn thing that I know of!

Fixed that up for ya brudda.

 

[Keysplayr]

Not sure if I missed it but what happened to the Borderlands 2 demo at PDXLan? I had read that it was supposed to run on Kepler, did that happen?

I think that what you read was a rumor spread by yet another reliable source.
Sure, everyone "wanted" it to be Kepler, mass hysteria ensues, and we have people posting after the fact that it "should" have been kepler at PDXLan, but there was NADA!!.

See what I did there?

 

[Keysplayr]

Who's being driven to madness? A bit dramatic, don't you think?

Most people are just disappointed that nVidia hasn't been able to compete, so far, and they are paying more for their cards because of it. Even if all they can muster up is a performance level response at $300.00, that should bring prices for AMD's big guns down by ~10%, maybe even a bit more. Anything positive would be good.

Sure, why not. I'm dramatic. ::shrugs::

And Nvidia has always been able to compete. They still are competing with 7970 and 7950 being out there. There are currently a mind numbing assortment of GPU's to choose from AMD or Nvidia right now. And you saw the 7770 review didn't go so well per price point. So, Only the high end stands uncontested for now and not many spend that much on a new card. So, in actuality, not missing much. If you think this view of mine is unrealistic, you just let me know if I'm being overly dramatic about it.

 

[Lonyo]

Sure, why not. I'm dramatic. ::shrugs::

And Nvidia has always been able to compete. They still are competing with 7970 and 7950 being out there. There are currently a mind numbing assortment of GPU's to choose from AMD or Nvidia right now. And you saw the 7770 review didn't go so well per price point. So, Only the high end stands uncontested for now and not many spend that much on a new card. So, in actuality, not missing much. If you think this view of mine is unrealistic, you just let me know if I'm being overly dramatic about it.

The high end is the only segment that could go uncontested...
When new cards are launched, generally the competitor adjusts pricing so they can compete. The only place you can't do that is in the high end, because you need actual performance.

It's like the CPU market. Intel dominate the high end, but AMD compete through the rest of the range. They don't need a top end product to be able to compete everywhere else.
The only way for them to be unable to compete everywhere else is either Intel slashes prices, or launches products light years ahead of AMD.

Mid range in GPUs is usually at best the high end performance of the previous gen, so as long as you had a high end previous gen product... you can still be competitive in the mid range with your product offerings (which won't necessarily be profitable, but can still compete).

 

[Grooveriding]

Wow some serious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA in the past few posts about nvidia being late again.

 

[Keysplayr]

The high end is the only segment that could go uncontested...
When new cards are launched, generally the competitor adjusts pricing so they can compete. The only place you can't do that is in the high end, because you need actual performance.

It's like the CPU market. Intel dominate the high end, but AMD compete through the rest of the range. They don't need a top end product to be able to compete everywhere else.
The only way for them to be unable to compete everywhere else is either Intel slashes prices, or launches products light years ahead of AMD.

Mid range in GPUs is usually at best the high end performance of the previous gen, so as long as you had a high end previous gen product... you can still be competitive in the mid range with your product offerings (which won't necessarily be profitable, but can still compete).

Don't get me wrong. It's always better to have a faster flagship as your competitors. And however long that may last, AMD has that right now.

 

[ZimZum]

LOL, there isn't any damage to control my friend. :thumbsup:

Sure, why not. I'm dramatic. ::shrugs::

And Nvidia has always been able to compete. They still are competing with 7970 and 7950 being out there. There are currently a mind numbing assortment of GPU's to choose from AMD or Nvidia right now. And you saw the 7770 review didn't go so well per price point. So, Only the high end stands uncontested for now and not many spend that much on a new card. So, in actuality, not missing much. If you think this view of mine is unrealistic, you just let me know if I'm being overly dramatic about it.

OK

 

[Keysplayr]

Wow some serious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA in the past few posts about nvidia being late again.

Okaaaaaay.

 

[thilanliyan]

A quick Google search throws up the hilarious news.

The special presentation was apparently Borderlands 2 on... a Tegra 3 tablet.
Nothing to do with Kepler at all.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4249326

Oh dear.
That sucks for PC gamers...which PDXLan is mostly made up of?

 

[wahdangun]

Which is even more incredibly strange, because wasn't the demonstration supposed to be physx related? Demoing Tegra3 to a crowd of hardcore PC players who were expecting something else was not a great PR event.

yeah it was so lame, i bet it was WTF moment for the crowd.

 

[Stuka87]

Sure, why not. I'm dramatic. ::shrugs::

And Nvidia has always been able to compete. They still are competing with 7970 and 7950 being out there.

nVidia still is competing in mid to low end markets sure. But they are no longer competitive with the top tier market.

 

[omeds]

lol what? 580 competes with 7950 and its over 14 months old..

 

[Keysplayr]

nVidia still is competing in mid to low end markets sure. But they are no longer competitive with the top tier market.

It's not so cut and dry as you put it. Like omeds states above me. This is true and not to mention we are starting to see price reductions on 580's. Going for around 415 to 450 ish with sales and rebates. It's running with 7950. Hell, it's not that far behind a 7970. That'll all change soon enough.

 

[Zanovar]

lol what? 580 competes with 7950 and its over 14 months old..

THIS

 

[mak360]

NVIDIA and Gearbox are bringing something really special to PDXLAN 19.
Attendees are in for an exclusive treat that will blow your mind!!

This is what nVidia has been throwing out for well over a week and could have easily stopped it, if it was nonsense, instead It was actively advertised by nVidia and its main AIB partner EVGA (It’s on most sites). So why the sudden change?

http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/games/mystery2/
http://www.techpowerup.com/160485/NVIDIA-and-Gearbox-Have-Something-In-Store-for-PDXLAN.html
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gearbox-announce-special-pdxlan-2012/
http://www.evga.com/articles/00666/
http://www.pdxlan.net/portland/


And many many-more I can’t be bothered to list.

 

[MrK6]

NVIDIA and Gearbox are bringing something really special to PDXLAN 19.
Attendees are in for an exclusive treat that will blow your mind!!

This is what nVidia has been throwing out for well over a week and could have easily stopped it, if it was nonsense, instead It was actively advertised by nVidia and its main AIB partner EVGA (It’s on most sites). So why the sudden change?

http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/games/mystery2/
http://www.techpowerup.com/160485/NVIDIA-and-Gearbox-Have-Something-In-Store-for-PDXLAN.html
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gearbox-announce-special-pdxlan-2012/
http://www.evga.com/articles/00666/
http://www.pdxlan.net/portland/


And many many-more I can’t be bothered to list.

Sounds like an intern didn't make it back from Home Depot in time, so they had to improvise .

 

[3DVagabond]

lol what? 580 competes with 7950 and its over 14 months old..

Depends on your definition of "competes". Both cards at out of box clocks the 580 doesn't do too bad. Both cards O/C'd and it's not "competing" any more.

Your comparison could be taken a bit further because the 480, previous gens top card, "competes" quite well with nVidia's current gen 2nd level card, the 570, and the 480 is 2yrs. old. The 500 series was such an awesome improvement though, supposedly.

 

[mak360]

Hardware they have is still not working and they still have problems at fab is what the little birdie said lol (sarcasm)



sellers are waiting for mobile gpu`s, not sure if its in hand yet

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...s/NP700G7C-S01US-features+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

 

[Zanovar]

Depends on your definition of "competes". Both cards at out of box clocks the 580 doesn't do too bad. Both cards O/C'd and it's not "competing" any more.

Your comparison could be taken a bit further because the 480, previous gens top card, "competes" quite well with nVidia's current gen 2nd level card, the 570, and the 480 is 2yrs. old. The 500 series was such an awesome improvement though, supposedly.

i could be guessing here 3d(doubt it though),but i dont think you are grsping at what he is trying to say.

 

[AnandThenMan]

We could probably see the Kepler 28nm chips running or a backstage demonstration for selected attendees. Kepler would also be Nvidia’s first 28nm GPU which would go against the AMD HD7000 Series launched last month.

What happened? Could it still happen?

 

[omeds]

Depends on your definition of "competes". Both cards at out of box clocks the 580 doesn't do too bad. Both cards O/C'd and it's not "competing" any more.

Your comparison could be taken a bit further because the 480, previous gens top card, "competes" quite well with nVidia's current gen 2nd level card, the 570, and the 480 is 2yrs. old. The 500 series was such an awesome improvement though, supposedly.

580 competes with 7950, theres not much debate about that, sorry, and both oc well.. not sure why you linked oc'd 7950 vs stock 580 either. 7950 does pull away at higher resolutions though, and so it should, its over 14 months newer and on a new process.

Secondly, performance is not the only metric to value a video card by, which is why 580 is percieved as a lot better than 480, and why 580 holds up against 7950. 580 has more features and IQ enhancements than 7950, along with better 3D support, these things all contribute to the value of a video card.

 

[Vesku]

Tegra 3 demo at a PC LAN event? Maybe if they'd also shown off some PC tech. Not a good sign for Kepler imo.

 

[notty22]

It looks like the gtx 580 available since 10/2010 is doing alright.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...radeon-hd-7950-review-tahiti-pro-arrives.html
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Crysis 2 (DX11)


Crysis 2 with the DX11 and Texture Package installed not only looks great but it is a strain on any GPU. For this benchmark, we used a classic runthrough which includes far views, explosions, combat and close-in knifing; basically every hallmark of gameplay.

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Metro 2033 (DX11)


For this test we use a walkthrough and combat scene from The Bridge level which starts at the beginning of the level and lasts for about 3 minutes of walking, running and combat. Famerates are measured with FRAPS and Advanced PhysX is turned off.

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