nVidia GTX570 reviews roundup

[ronnn]

I got a new video card! 😎

Congrats!

 

[Seero]

I got a new video card! 😎

Welcome back.

 

[Wreckage]

Thanks. Although I also picked up Cataclysm so don't expect to see me too much. 😉

Just to keep this on topic, did anyone see any 570 reviews using Cataclysm? It's got a new DX11 mode that just may be worth benchmarking.

 

[Piano Man]

Thanks. Although I also picked up Cataclysm so don't expect to see me too much. 😉

Just to keep this on topic, did anyone see any 570 reviews using Cataclysm? It's got a new DX11 mode that just may be worth benchmarking.

I don't know why more sites don't include this. With max Ultra settings at 1080p or greater, it can push a lot of top video cards. Plus its only the most popular PC game on the planet, and it just came out with a new x-pac.

 

[BFG10K]

The 570 is basically the same speed as the GTX480 while offering better far better thermals and acoustics. There’s absolutely no reason to get a GTX480 now.

 

[NIGELG]

I got a new video card! 😎

Forums can be dull without the old Wreckage.

 

[BFG10K]

Guys, less chatter about Wreckage and more about the 570 please.

Super Moderator BFG10K.

 

[MrK6]

You make a fair point, and I agree the 5870 $260 is a good deal, but it is going to take a more broad scale price drop on the 5870 than a few sku's to put allot of pressure on the 570 imho.

Also, part of the problem AMD faces with 5870 price drops in that range is what that will do to 6870 sales. If you say no one will buy a 570 @ $100 more for a marginal performance increase, who in their right mind would buy a 6870 at the same price of the 5870 which beats it in every way except for maybe crossfire scaling?

So, the 5870 price may soften, but unless something happens with the 6850/6870 pricing structure, AMD is going to be limited in just how low they are going to go without stepping on their own toes on their brand new 68's. It will be interesting to see how things turn out over the next month, and just how aggressive the prices are going to be.

That's exactly my point though. These new cards aren't really offering much considering how much they're asking for them. Again, if you bought a 5850 a year ago for $260, there is still nothing worth buying currently (hopefully next week changes that). I'll agree that a 6870 isn't really that attractive, especially compared to a 5850 available for $180. I do really like the 6850's, but they have a lot of perks and are much cheaper, but that's for a different thread.

sorry, didn't know you guys were using tpu. generally accepted performance disparity btwn gtx 580 and gtx 480 is 15-20%, but using tpu's #'s that clearly isn't the case.

Link?

You might have read too much into "next weeks episode". He might just have been speaking figuratively. Or it is coming next week and he wasn't supposed to say so. So, he edited it. I guess we'll see?

Well, [H]'s conclusion left nothing ambiguous then: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/12/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_570_video_card_review/10

 

[RussianSensation]

So you'll gladly pay $100 for a 10% performance increase?

While I agree with you that a $250 HD5870 represents the better value, GTX570 is at least as fast as the GTX480; therefore the 10% estimate is way off because GTX480 is about 15-20% or even faster than the HD5870. It is not reasonable to base "averages" on 1 review only; anyone can play that game (see below).

Link?

"Furthermore, the GTX 570 was on average 28% faster than the Radeon HD 5870 in the 13 games that we tested." - TechSpot

1920x1200 4AA/16AF - 20% faster - Computerbase.de

GTX570 Average Improvement over HD5870 - 21% faster - HardwareCanucks

I got a new video card! 😎

Is it the HD6970 🙂?

 

[bryanW1995]

Link?

well, I was just going by your 9.6% number. I guess I could link back to it for you...

 

[Wreckage]

Is it the HD6970 🙂?

If it existed and it was under $200 I would certainly have considered it.

Well, [H]'s conclusion left nothing ambiguous then: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/12/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_570_video_card_review/10

He cleared that up a bit in the forums
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1036530941&postcount=24

Sounds like they don't have the card yet. Usually they get them in plenty of time to benchmark. So for now the 570/580 seem pretty uncontested at the high end. Especially at $350. Not to jump the gun, but maybe we will see a 560 next week.

 

[BathroomFeeling]

Definitely hoping a 560 comes out before the end of the year. I was expecting something a little more powerful than the 6870, but not quite at the expected price of the 6950 to be released by that time. But with the delay of the 69XX series, I don't think we're in luck.

Either a 560, or an unexpectedly low price for the 6950 would make my Xmas nice and warm.

 

[MrK6]

Sounds like they don't have the card yet. Usually they get them in plenty of time to benchmark. So for now the 570/580 seem pretty uncontested at the high end. Especially at $350. Not to jump the gun, but maybe we will see a 560 next week.

I don't know where you got that idea from, reviewers generally have very little time to benchmark the cards. From either company.

 

[Will Robinson]

The "I gotta a new card" glee seems to run outta puff when it's time to "name that card".....

*pics of a high end new card or it didn't happen*.

 

[Idontcare]

With all the money and tech nvidia has. Someone tell
Me why nvidia come out with this in the beginning of the 5000 series launch.

I don't have the link handy, but there was an awesome quote of JHH in an interview where he said, on record, that he didn't believe in having backup plans because they gave people excuses for plan A to not work (I'm paraphrasing obviously).

Someone here undoubtedly has the link handy.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

http://www.chw.net/2009/10/chw-entrevista-a-jen-hsun-huang/2/#

http://www.google.com/search?num=50...ng+no+BACKUP+PLAN&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't have the link handy, but there was an awesome quote of JHH in an interview where he said, on record, that he didn't believe in having backup plans because they gave people excuses for plan A to not work (I'm paraphrasing obviously).

Someone here undoubtedly has the link handy.

It's can't understand how an obviously intelligent person could think something that stupid was a good idea.

 

[gilljoy]

the gtx570 seems to be a very very good card

It'll be intrasting to see what the 6900 series brings in the next week or so, im still not sure wither to get dual 6850/ 6870 or a gtx570 ... hmmh confusing lol

 

[Keysplayr]

It's can't understand how an obviously intelligent person could think something that stupid was a good idea.

Ask yourself two questions.

1. Are you an intelligent person?

2. Have you ever in your life had a really dumb idea?

Not saying I agree that JHH idea was wrong. There is merit to that idealism, that if someone has a fallback plan when working on something that is tremendously difficult, then the fallback plan looks all that more appealing and may not put all efforts into the main project.

While the actual "comment" sounds unorthodox for the reason, "How can a big corp, not have a backup or plan B? There are reasons.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

How much less heat is the 570 actually producing compared to my gtx 480? I know it runs much cooler but is that due to the vapor chamber? I could put a i7 CPU under water and overclock it to 4.5ghz and have it never reach 60c, but that doesn't mean it's producing less heat than a stock 2.6ghz i7 that reaches 80c on the stock cooler. I think there is a 60w difference at load 570 vs 480. How much of a difference is that really?

 

[Skurge]

How much less heat is the 570 actually producing compared to my gtx 480? I know it runs much cooler but is that due to the vapor chamber? I could put a i7 CPU under water and overclock it to 4.5ghz and have it never reach 60c, but that doesn't mean it's producing less heat than a stock 2.6ghz i7 that reaches 80c on the stock cooler. I think there is a 60w difference at load 570 vs 480. How much of a difference is that really?

Uh 60watts? seems like an obvious answer.

WTH is with reviews today? How can they very so much with the same systems with the same games at the same settings?

I don't even know what conclusion to make.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Uh 60watts? seems like an obvious answer.

What's with the smartass answer? I guess what I really meant is how much difference is 60w on a high end videocard? I pay 13 cents a kwh I believe. If it consumes 60watts an hour more than my 480 than it takes a little over 16 hours of gaming to save 13 cents over my current gtx 480. So it takes 123 hours of gaming to save $1 over my current gtx 480? Are my figures correct? Seems insane a videocard manufacturer can advertise a card as a new generation and it consumes 60w less power and the same performance. I like nvidia but doing the math just now shows what a fraud the 5 series are. I mean come on 123 hours of gaming and I save $1 over the supposed fermi furnace. If my math is wrong someone please correct me.

 

[Skurge]

What's with the smartass answer? I guess what I really meant is how much difference is 60w on a high end videocard? I pay 13 cents a kwh I believe. If it consumes 60watts an hour more than my 480 than it takes a little over 16 hours of gaming to save 13 cents over my current gtx 480. So it takes 123 hours of gaming to save $1 over my current gtx 480? Are my figures correct? Seems insane a videocard manufacturer can advertise a card as a new generation and it consumes 60w less power and the same performance. I like nvidia but doing the math just now shows what a fraud the 5 series are. I mean come on 123 hours of gaming and I save $1 over the supposed fermi furnace. If my math is wrong someone please correct me.

Sorry, I kind of seemed like you answered your own question. To me 60w does make a difference in heat. not for cash though. I replaced my 4870 with a 5770 so my room would be cooler and it was.

60w is rather minor for for electricity costs, might not be for someone who has an underpowered PSU.

 

[Mistwalker]

What's with the smartass answer? I guess what I really meant is how much difference is 60w on a high end videocard? I pay 13 cents a kwh I believe. If it consumes 60watts an hour more than my 480 than it takes a little over 16 hours of gaming to save 13 cents over my current gtx 480. So it takes 123 hours of gaming to save $1 over my current gtx 480? Are my figures correct? Seems insane a videocard manufacturer can advertise a card as a new generation and it consumes 60w less power and the same performance. I like nvidia but doing the math just now shows what a fraud the 5 series are. I mean come on 123 hours of gaming and I save $1 over the supposed fermi furnace. If my math is wrong someone please correct me.

I think it's pretty obvious there is little economic sense in buying a 570 to replace a 480 (unless you can somehow resell the 480 to recoup most of the investment back).

What the 570 does is give you 480 performance at the $350 price point, with far more reasonable heat and noise as bonuses. If you jumped on the 480 then yes, this is a refresh and hardly a good upgrade scenario.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I think it's pretty obvious there is little economic sense in buying a 570 to replace a 480 (unless you can somehow resell the 480 to recoup most of the investment back).

What the 570 does is give you 480 performance at the $350 price point, with far more reasonable heat and noise as bonuses. If you jumped on the 480 then yes, this is a refresh and hardly a good upgrade scenario.

Okay I can see it from that perspective. 480 performance for $350 with the added bonus of a little less heat. Makes total sense for someone on the gtx 2XX series or Ati 4XXX series.