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nVidia GTX570 reviews roundup

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With a overclock of 850 on the core it seems to = a gtx 580. 120mhz overclock.

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really? so a 13% oc causes 15-20% performance increase? wow, very impressive!

n/m, nice ninja edit from "100 mhz" to "850 on the core". next time I'll quote you.
 
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bryanW1995 said:
really? so a 13% oc causes 15-20% performance increase? wow, very impressive!
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It seems to depend on the game the overclock in the above chart was only 842 but it was beating a gtx580. Other games need a little more.

I've read a couple of reviews so far they seem to been hitting 825-840 on stock voltage. I would guess with a little voltage you could get gtx 580 performance easily.

825 on the core here..
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1482/17/

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I have a 470 right now. I was waiting for this to come out in the hopes of picking up another 470 cheap for SLI. Would it be better to get a 570 or go with the 470's sli'd? I can't seem to find any reviews that compare 470 SLI to the new 570.
 
Teizo said:
The new lower price of some of the 5870's may lure some people away from the 570, but it's not going to be any where near as bad as you are trying to making it out to be I imagine.
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So you'll gladly pay $100 for a 10% performance increase? I'd buy one just to tinker around with if I had time, but that doesn't seem like a good purchase for the average consumer, especially when so much is placed on price vs. performance. They are much better at tessellation, but that wouldn't warrant an upgrade for me (yet, anyway).
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Huh? Your argument is that the market is completely saturated already by high-end cards?

I'm sure plenty of people will be buying these cards. In fact as of right now, AMD hasn't even got their new high-end out for Xmas, when consumer wallets open up.
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You're assuming that people will/would buy AMD's cards too. The rumored performance of the 6970 seems to be the absolute minimum to make a worthwhile jump. If it isn't as fast/doesn't overclock well, it's another miss in my book. For example, I have a 5850 that was available for $260 15 months ago that runs past these cards when overclocked. There's many out there like me, so where's our incentive to buy?
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pcper.com has a review up and it seems to destroy even the 2gb version of the 5870 in everything except for civ v, which let's face it - is not a good gpu test.

What games are you playing that the 570 isn't faster? In Metro 2033 and lost planet the card is as much as 40 - 50% faster than the 5870 2gb.
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http://hwt.dk/literaturedetails.aspx?LiteratureID=17748 - the 5870 is faster in some of the tests. Techpowerup has a nice summary as always - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/27.html , and seems to be right where I estimated (~10% faster than a 5870 overall).
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With a overclock of 850 on the core it seems to = a gtx 580. 120mhz overclock.
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Well past it actually. Probably more like 800-825MHz depending on the game. EDIT: scratch that, TechPowerUp's results: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/30.html . The cards seem to be OK overclockers, although the GTX 580 seems to have more headroom. It's tough to tell this early.
bryanW1995 said:
really? so a 13% oc causes 15-20% performance increase? wow, very impressive!
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Check your math, a 14.7% OC on the core granted 9.4% more FPS (not including the gains from the memory clock as well).
 
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biggest takeaway for me was at the very end of AT's article Ryan made it obvious that he doesn't have 69x0 cards yet and doesnt' even know when he'll be getting them. dec 13th is right around the corner...
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I noticed that too but read the conclusion over at Techreport. He basically said next week for Cayman. All these rumors make the head hurt.

Edit: I just checked the review and it has been changed.

Now says: "Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to this same channel for the next episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"

Used to say: Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to next week's episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"

Hmm...
 
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MrK6 said:
So you'll gladly pay $100 for a 10% performance increase? I'd buy one just to tinker around with if I had time, but that doesn't seem like a good purchase for the average consumer, especially when so much is placed on price vs. performance. They are much better at tessellation, but that wouldn't warrant an upgrade for me (yet, anyway).
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You make a fair point, and I agree the 5870 $260 is a good deal, but it is going to take a more broad scale price drop on the 5870 than a few sku's to put allot of pressure on the 570 imho.

Also, part of the problem AMD faces with 5870 price drops in that range is what that will do to 6870 sales. If you say no one will buy a 570 @ $100 more for a marginal performance increase, who in their right mind would buy a 6870 at the same price of the 5870 which beats it in every way except for maybe crossfire scaling?

So, the 5870 price may soften, but unless something happens with the 6850/6870 pricing structure, AMD is going to be limited in just how low they are going to go without stepping on their own toes on their brand new 68's. It will be interesting to see how things turn out over the next month, and just how aggressive the prices are going to be.
 
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Are there any sites with comprehensive minimum FPS testing?

On the AT review they did Crysis with real minimums, and while the average was equal to the GTX480, the minimums were lower (but higher than the GTX470).
 
With all the money and tech nvidia has. Someone tell
Me why nvidia come out with this in the beginning of the 5000 series launch.
 
Teizo said:
Also, part of the problem AMD faces with 5870 price drops in that range is what that will do to 6870 sales. If you say no one will buy a 570 @ $100 more for a marginal performance increase, who in their right mind would buy a 6870 at the same price of the 5870 which beats it in every way except for maybe crossfire scaling?

So, the 5870 price may soften, but unless something happens with the 6850/6870 pricing structure, AMD is going to be limited in just how low they are going to go without stepping on their own toes on their brand new 68's. It will be interesting to see how things turn out over the next month, and just how aggressive the prices are going to be.
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It would be a bad move to not price the 5870s to sell. The inventory needs to be cleared because the cards will not be made anymore; the 6800 series is replacing them. There's no reason for AMD to continue making Cypress chips. Besides, whether they sell a 5870 or 6870, AMD gets the money. Well, actually, I believe it is the retailers who need to worry about getting the money. Don't the retailers buy the cards, and in turn they must sell them to make their own money? If 5800 cards aren't being made there's no reason for retailers to buy more of them to keep up inventory, so they are selling current stock as to not be left high and dry.

I don't see why this is an issue at all and why you keep bringing it up. The same scenario has happened in the past with the HD 4870--5770 and GTX 465--460 and I'm sure several other times.
 
ExarKun333 said:
? Nvidia just released this, it did not come out at the 5000 launch (a year ago).
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More than likely he meant why not originally.

Answer probably is 40nm growing pains.
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It would be a bad move to not price the 5870s to sell.
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Indeed. I'm just wondering how aggressive they are willing to be with prices given the current prices of the 6870 given the performance gap between it and the 5870 which affects the 5870 vs 570 price/performance argument.
 
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MrK6 said:
So you'll gladly pay $100 for a 10% performance increase? I'd buy one just to tinker around with if I had time, but that doesn't seem like a good purchase for the average consumer, especially when so much is placed on price vs. performance. They are much better at tessellation, but that wouldn't warrant an upgrade for me (yet, anyway).
You're assuming that people will/would buy AMD's cards too. The rumored performance of the 6970 seems to be the absolute minimum to make a worthwhile jump. If it isn't as fast/doesn't overclock well, it's another miss in my book. For example, I have a 5850 that was available for $260 15 months ago that runs past these cards when overclocked. There's many out there like me, so where's our incentive to buy?

http://hwt.dk/literaturedetails.aspx?LiteratureID=17748 - the 5870 is faster in some of the tests. Techpowerup has a nice summary as always - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/27.html , and seems to be right where I estimated (~10% faster than a 5870 overall).
Well past it actually. Probably more like 800-825MHz depending on the game. EDIT: scratch that, TechPowerUp's results: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_570/30.html . The cards seem to be OK overclockers, although the GTX 580 seems to have more headroom. It's tough to tell this early.
Check your math, a 14.7% OC on the core granted 9.4% more FPS (not including the gains from the memory clock as well).
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sorry, didn't know you guys were using tpu. generally accepted performance disparity btwn gtx 580 and gtx 480 is 15-20%, but using tpu's #'s that clearly isn't the case.
 
Elfear said:
I noticed that too but read the conclusion over at Techreport. He basically said next week for Cayman. All these rumors make the head hurt.

Edit: I just checked the review and it has been changed.

Now says: "Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to this same channel for the next episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"

Used to say: Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to next week's episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"

Hmm...
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ruh roh...
 
I'm really happy to see nv getting their power/temp/noise under control. In fact, AMD needs to get their noise under control as well. Hopefully we'll see some nice OC's out the 570s. Getting 580 performance for $360 wouldn't be bad at all. May even make me switch teams this round 🙂

Also, what do you guys think is the limiting factor on OCs right now? Heat, etc....
 
MrK6 said:
Looking over the reviews, it seems the GTX 570 it still isn't faster than the 5870 in some cases (i.e. performance is still close enough to depend on architectural differences) and ~10% faster overall. With the 5870 available for $250, I don't see how NVIDIA expects this to sell.
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Elfear said:
I noticed that too but read the conclusion over at Techreport. He basically said next week for Cayman. All these rumors make the head hurt.

Edit: I just checked the review and it has been changed.

Now says: "Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to this same channel for the next episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"

Used to say: Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to next week's episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed"

Hmm...
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You might have read too much into "next weeks episode". He might just have been speaking figuratively. Or it is coming next week and he wasn't supposed to say so. So, he edited it. I guess we'll see?
 
Dang it, why can't the freaking 6970/6950's be out now!?!?!? I have cash burning a hole in my pocket from a bonus. I'm going to choose between the 570/580/6950/6970 with my preferences towards the 580/6970. I'm just glad it's hard to find the overclocked evga 580's right now, otherwise I might have jumped on those before AMD's cards came out.

This 570 does look nice though. I want to see what it can be oc'ed to and how it compares to the 580 when they do that. If it's close I may save a few $ and spend that on the SB/mobo setup in Jan/Feb when those come out.
 
Looks like a great card. NVIDIA has been on an impressive streak lately. Looks to be a good holiday for the green team. :thumbsup:
 
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