Nvidia gts450 benchmarks leaked

[happy medium]

Yeah, and I meant the likes of the HD 6550 or HD 6670



Please, don't loose faith on your favorite company, faith = nonthinking. If an HD 6770 has a 256-Bit BUS, and its bigger brother can outperform easily the GTX 480, what makes you think that the HD 6770 can't outperform the GTS 450, something that the HD 5770 does nicely? The GTS 450 is a nice match for the low end HD 6x00 series like the HD 65xx and HD 66xx series.

I never said they wouldn't outperform the gts450. I said i never even heard of such a card yet. Mabe in the first half of 2011 or mabe never, thats what I was implying. Unless you have heard something I haven't?

 

[happy medium]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...on%20HD%205850

More than half of the HD 5850 SKU's are between the $200.00 and $300.00 price mark, and the HD 5830 issue isn't only its impotence, its the fact that previous generations of nVidia/AMD hardware performer very well. I do expect that the HD 6770 price launch will be $199 unfortunately...

Also your point doesn't make much sense, because if AMD prices the HD 6770 around $200-$300, how much do you expect AMD will charge for an HD 6850/HD 6870.

I thought the 6770 was gonna be priced at 239.99 and compete with the gtx460 ? Thats what I read.

 

[Powermoloch]

Nvidia must get the price just low enough to grab some buyers. Other than that, 5770 will reign supreme for the meantime.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...on%20HD%205850

More than half of the HD 5850 SKU's are between the $200.00 and $300.00 price mark, and the HD 5830 issue isn't only its impotence, its the fact that previous generations of nVidia/AMD hardware performer very well. I do expect that the HD 6770 price launch will be $199 unfortunately...

Come on now, those 5850s are all priced well over $250, and most of them are $275 (after rebates/discounts) or more, with many still well over $300. Just because there are plenty of people on these forums that try their hardest to push for one company over another and spread FUD doesn't mean you have to "fight fire with fire".

It's all about price/performance and it all comes down to the fact that we're still on 40nm. AMD has been forced into a position where they have to try and deliver higher performance on the same process, so unless the 6700s are going to be little to no faster than the 5700s they're bound to be bigger and more expensive (along with faster).

You're still hugging a pipe dream that 6700 automatically means ~$100-200 range. But, just like the early hopes and dreams that the 5800s would somehow be priced $199 and $299 just like the 4800s, things change and its all about price/performance and market competition.

Its certainly possible that the 6700s occupy the same spot that the 5700s do, but the rumors of a 256bit bus suggests they'll be higher performing parts that would justify higher prices.

But this isn't the same situation as the 5700s vs. the 4800s. 55nm -> 40nm + GDDR3/256bit -> GDDR5/128bit meant the 5700s were going to offer 4800 level performance do it for cheap. 40nm with a larger die size for the 6700s + 256bit means the 6700s will more than likely occupy a higher price bracket.

And not to get too far off topic, as the performance of the GTS450 suggests, AMD has little reason to put out a faster 6700 for 5700 prices when the 5700 look like they already hold their own against the GTS450. What they don't have an answer for is the GTX460, and thus I would fully expect the 6700s to fill that gap and even possibly encroach on the 5800s.

Also your point doesn't make much sense, because if AMD prices the HD 6770 around $200-$300, how much do you expect AMD will charge for an HD 6850/HD 6870.

What doesn't make sense? If the 6800's are still on 40nm and they're going to be larger/faster chips than the 5800s then its reasonable to assume they're going to be priced higher, just like the 5850 and 5870 were priced higher than the 4850 and 4870.


but again we're still going on a ton of rumor and hearsay, I could be wrong and AMD might have found a way to drastically improve efficiency allowing them to release parts that perform better with the same resources and thus can be priced at the same levels...but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[Will Robinson]

Or Taiwan Semi has been able through a year or more streamlining the production of 40nm silicon, been able to achieve better economies of scale(likely) and can therefore offer AMD an equivalent deal on each production wafer.
In that case even a slightly larger,more complex chip maybe equally as profitable as the Cypress/Juniper parts.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Why does anyone care about this card unless they are gonna price it for $120? You can get yourself a 460 768mb for $150ish today.

 

[evolucion8]

Come on now, those 5850s are all priced well over $250, and most of them are $275 (after rebates/discounts) or more, with many still well over $300. Just because there are plenty of people on these forums that try their hardest to push for one company over another and spread FUD doesn't mean you have to "fight fire with fire".

Well, you said in a previous post that AMD has nothing in the $200 - $300 market, and I posted you a link from new egg, showing that they have 15 HD 5850 SKU's in which 10 are between $250 and $299 and that's without MIR, 4 of them will cost even less after MIR (As little as $239.99) and the remaining 5 costs more than $300 due to their exotic cooling solutions etc, so I don't see your claim that "they don't have nothing in the $200.00 to $300.00 market" unless if you are refering to Indian ruppees or intentionally spreading FUD and lies.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Why does anyone care about this card unless they are gonna price it for $120? You can get yourself a 460 768mb for $150ish today.

$150 is not yet a standard price for that card. Froogle, for instance, shows GTX 460 768mb cards at $180+.

The ChiefValue deal for under $150 is over.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Well, you said in a previous post that AMD has nothing in the $200 - $300 market, and I posted you a link from new egg, showing that they have 15 HD 5850 SKU's in which 10 are between $250 and $299 and that's without MIR, 4 of them will cost even less after MIR (As little as $239.99) and the remaining 5 costs more than $300 due to their exotic cooling solutions etc, so I don't see your claim that "they don't have nothing in the $200.00 to $300.00 market" unless if you are refering to Indian ruppees or intentionally spreading FUD and lies.

Wow, you just don't give up. No matter how hard you try to spin it, the 5850 has been priced at $300 for the better part of the year, and even now is still on the absolute wrong end of the $200-300 spectrum. Mail in rebates don't count, its money out of pocket that matters.

There's just no getting through to you, [redacted].


Personal attacks/insults are not acceptable.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[Lonyo]

Wow, you just don't give up. No matter how hard you try to spin it, the 5850 has been priced at $300 for the better part of the year, and even now is still on the absolute wrong end of the $200-300 spectrum. Mail in rebates don't count, its money out of pocket that matters.

There's just no getting through to you, [redacted by Moderator Idontcare].

You could just revise your statement to say they have nothing between $200 and $250.
As it stands, the $200 to $300 statement is false, and trying to argue it's not by saying that the AMD cards in that range are in the top half of that range doesn't make it any truer.
ATI doesn't have much to compete with the $200~$250 offering (GTX460) from NV. The HD5830 competes in the sub-$200 market with the GTX 768MB, while the HD5850 is more expensive and $250+. The place AMD needs to aim at is the $200-$250 market, not the $250-$300 market where it already has a product.


I see $240 AR
$260 no rebate, limited offer.
$270 no rebate, no indication of being a special offer.
Another $270.
Two $270 AR.
$275 AR
$280 no rebate. $290, $300, $310 etc.

That's pretty much the entire gamut from $240 to $300+ both with and without rebates and offers.

 

[zebrax2]

Wow, you just don't give up. No matter how hard you try to spin it, the 5850 has been priced at $300 for the better part of the year, and even now is still on the absolute wrong end of the $200-300 spectrum. Mail in rebates don't count, its money out of pocket that matters.

There's just no getting through to you, [redacted by Moderator Idontcare].

In his defense though you're the one that set the 200-300 range then you go on to bash his post because he posted cards at the 250-300 range which was still inside your range. As lonyo said you should have said 200-250 instead

 

[happy medium]

Wow, you just don't give up. No matter how hard you try to spin it, the 5850 has been priced at $300 for the better part of the year, and even now is still on the absolute wrong end of the $200-300 spectrum. Mail in rebates don't count, its money out of pocket that matters.

There's just no getting through to you, [redacted].


Personal attacks/insults are not acceptable.

Moderator Idontcare

[redacted]

Speaking in general, I can live with a troller,but a troller thats never wrong is the worst.

The gtx 460 is now $190 AR on newegg, so the 5850 at $260 is STILL the same $70 more.
So it's a mute point.

Honestly none of this has to do with my OP.


Callouts with negative intonation are not acceptable...find something positive to say about your fellow forum members or simply refrain from referencing them at all.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[busydude]

We have a second review with moar benchmarks.

http://gpudesign.bafree.net/nvidia-gts-450-full-review

Slower than a GTX 260.

- The GTS 450 competes with HD 5750 and is slightly faster by 8~10%.
- It’s half GF104.
- It has 32 Texture Units and 1 GPC.
- It consumes 31w more power than HD 5750 at load and 6w at idle.
- Temps are 57c at 70% fan , and 72c at default fan (FurMark Burn).
- Even with 1 GPC , it still beats HD 5750 at heaven by 29% @ 1900×1200.
- OC’ed to 1.0GHz core easily , which pumps up Vantages GPU score by 2000 Points.

 

[Sind]

I wonder how it will do at folding and with the large OCs given how that would further increase wu completion.

 

[Lonyo]

31w more power sounds wrong.
TDP as per that link/slide is 106w vs 108w for stock 5770 and 86w for 5750, so it should be even with the 5770 and only 20w higher (based on TDP) than the 5750.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

That card is garbage. Sorry if I wanted that kind of performance I'd pick up a used gtx 260 for about $100.

 

[busydude]

31w more power sounds wrong. TDP as per that link/slide is 106w vs 108w for stock 5770 and 86w for 5750, so it should be even with the 5770 and only 20w higher (based on TDP) than the 5750.

The reason is that AMD and Nvidia measure TDP differently. AMD shows the max TDP of the card whereas Nvidia's TDP relates to typical game play power consumption.

 

[Grooveriding]

So is this thing going to cost like $80 ? Because that's about all it's worth if those benches are accurate.

 

[Lonyo]

The reason is that AMD and Nvidia measure TDP differently. AMD shows the max TDP of the card whereas Nvidia's TDP relates to typical game play power consumption.

Well, it depends on the card.
This is a little old, pre-400 series.

So it varies, sometimes TDP is representative, sometimes it isn't.
Sometimes it's above, sometimes below, and sometimes it's dead on.

 

[busydude]

Oh, interesting. I guess we need to wait and see.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Slower than a GTX 260.

At 1920x1200, yeah.

But how many GTS450 users will run their cards at such a resolution?

I'm going to wait for a more indepth review for a final verdict but the magic 8 ball would say, "Outlook not so good"

 

[evolucion8]

Wow, there's so much hatred here, I posted a fact and I get bashed for it, good riddance, that shows the sutility and knowledge of myself not falling so low attacking personally people or calling trolls the guys who states facts, I wish that we had more people like Lonyo, SlowSpyder, IDonTCare who are neutral and back ups fact regardless of the brand and color, who stands for truth, stands true.

Back on topic, the GTS 450 is a fairly unimpressive SKU, not being able to beat convingcly the HD 5750 and consumes more power, with AMD's tendency to match previous high end generations with midrange cards, it wouldn't be a surprise that the HD 6770 or even the HD 6670 will squash it like a little bug. If the GTS 450 were more competitive, It would force to lower the prices of the HD 5770 and HD 5830. But I still thinking that future Fermi revisions will be great performers.

 

[happy medium]

it wouldn't be a surprise that the HD 6770 or even the HD 6670 will squash it like a little bug.

You do realize this is trolling, right?

I do agree with most of the rest ofyour post though.

 

[tviceman]

People are bashing the crap out of this card and I don't really understand why.

Just about everyone bashing this card has a gtx460, hd5850 or better. This card is clearly not meant targeted at you (or me for that matter).

As a consumer who is shopping in the $100-150 price range, who really cares how much power this card draws? It's low. It doesn't matter to consumers that there are better performing cards that draw less power than this - because IT DOESN'T MATTER. The card is being priced out based on it's performance, not it's power draw. All current dx11 cards in this price range have somewhat similar power envelopes - 30 extra watts will not affect 99.95% of anyone looking for a GPU in this price range.

It's being priced to slot right in between a 5750 and a 5770, it's about equal to a gtx260 216 in performance, and from the review it can overclock to all high hell. So a savvy buyer can get this card for ~$130ish, overclock the crap out of it, and have > gtx275 performance. That's really not bad at all for this generation at that price range.

Everyone here also seems to forget the gts 455 is coming next month too which will likely slot right between a 5770 and a 5830.

 

[happy medium]

People are bashing the crap out of this card and I don't really understand why.

Just about everyone bashing this card has a gtx460, hd5850 or better. This card is clearly not meant targeted at you (or me for that matter).

As a consumer who is shopping in the $100-150 price range, who really cares how much power this card draws? It's low. It doesn't matter to consumers that there are better performing cards that draw less power than this - because IT DOESN'T MATTER. The card is being priced out based on it's performance, not it's power draw. All current dx11 cards in this price range have somewhat similar power envelopes - 30 extra watts will not affect 99.95% of anyone looking for a GPU in this price range.

It's being priced to slot right in between a 5750 and a 5770, it's about equal to a gtx260 216 in performance, and from the review it can overclock to all high hell. So a savvy buyer can get this card for ~$130ish, overclock the crap out of it, and have > gtx275 performance. That's really not bad at all for this generation at that price range.

good point