Nvidia gts450 benchmarks leaked

[evolucion8]

You do realize this is trolling, right?

I do agree with most of the rest ofyour post though.

You do realize that's off topic right? But I'm glad that you agree in the rest of my other post though.

People are bashing the crap out of this card and I don't really understand why.

Just about everyone bashing this card has a gtx460, hd5850 or better. This card is clearly not meant targeted at you (or me for that matter).

As a consumer who is shopping in the $100-150 price range, who really cares how much power this card draws? It's low. It doesn't matter to consumers that there are better performing cards that draw less power than this - because IT DOESN'T MATTER. The card is being priced out based on it's performance, not it's power draw. All current dx11 cards in this price range have somewhat similar power envelopes - 30 extra watts will not affect 99.95% of anyone looking for a GPU in this price range.

It's being priced to slot right in between a 5750 and a 5770, it's about equal to a gtx260 216 in performance, and from the review it can overclock to all high hell. So a savvy buyer can get this card for ~$130ish, overclock the crap out of it, and have > gtx275 performance. That's really not bad at all for this generation at that price range.

Everyone here also seems to forget the gts 455 is coming next month too.

I do understand your point, but the issue isn't not being able to beat the GTX 260+ (Usually midrange cards of new generation of cards matches previous high end cards), the issue is that is a card that doesn't offer anything new and is barely faster than the old HD 5750. IF you come late to the party, the best you can do is to outperform your competitors in the segment that you are competing, and launching the card to compete with the HD 5770 which can't outperform and was released almost a year ago is the issue. I hope that the GTS 455 outperforms the HD 5770.

 

[happy medium]

I do understand your point, but the issue isn't not being able to beat the GTX 260+ (Usually midrange cards of new generation of cards matches previous high end cards), the issue is that is a card that doesn't offer anything new and is barely faster than the old HD 5750. IF you come late to the party, the best you can do is to outperform your competitors in the segment that you are competing, and launching the card to compete with the HD 5770 which can't outperform and was released almost a year ago is the issue. I hope that the GTS 455 outperforms the HD 5770.
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The gts450 is not the mid range card, the gtx460 is. Half the speed of the soon to be released full gtx480 512 sp.
You know there is a gts455 in the works too right? I bet it fits in betwen the 5770 and 5830.
This card competes with the 5750.and is slightly faster,just like all other Nvidia cards

 

[tviceman]

I do understand your point, but the issue isn't not being able to beat the GTX 260+ (Usually midrange cards of new generation of cards matches previous high end cards), the issue is that is a card that doesn't offer anything new and is barely faster than the old HD 5750. IF you come late to the party, the best you can do is to outperform your competitors in the segment that you are competing, and launching the card to compete with the HD 5770 which can't outperform and was released almost a year ago is the issue. I hope that the GTS 455 outperforms the HD 5770.

I don't believe Nvidia ever said the gts450 would compete with the 5770, people on forums more or less just assumed that it would. That was also back when people thought gf106 was 256 shaders - half GF100 instead of GF104. Since they were late with Fermi and all it's derivatives, Nvidia has done a good job competing indirectly with AMD by not releasing equally performing cards at the same prices. They are slotting all their cards to fill the the (sometimes large) price gaps between AMD cards. So if the card is released at a price point between the 5750 and 5770, and performs as such, it's not a "bad" card. It's just uninteresting - which IMO is the only real thing wrong with it.

My guess with the gts455 is that it'll be a a GF104 with 4 clusters disabled giving it 288 shaders. Presumably it would be on a 192-bit interface like gtx460 768 is and would probably have it's core clocked at 750-775 mhz to ensure that it can beat a 5770. This card to me would also be "uninteresting." The only card left for Nvidia to release in the next month or so that would finally invalidate AMD's 5850 and 5870 at their current prices is the 384 shader GF104 part.

 

[Dekasa]

As a consumer who is shopping in the $100-150 price range, who really cares how much power this card draws? It's low. It doesn't matter to consumers that there are better performing cards that draw less power than this - because IT DOESN'T MATTER. The card is being priced out based on it's performance, not it's power draw. All current dx11 cards in this price range have somewhat similar power envelopes - 30 extra watts will not affect 99.95% of anyone looking for a GPU in this price range.

I disagree. For people who run lower-end cards/PCs, 30 watts IS significant. How many times do you read, "I have a low-end PSU, but want a good, fast Video Card around $150; what can I get?" I see it a lot, and for all those people, ATi's offerings will get bonus points.

 

[tviceman]

I disagree. For people who run lower-end cards/PCs, 30 watts IS significant. How many times do you read, "I have a low-end PSU, but want a good, fast Video Card around $150; what can I get?" I see it a lot, and for all those people, ATi's offerings will get bonus points.

Nah I disagree. I maintain that a sheer massive majority of anyone that can run a 5770 will be able to run a gts450 with all other things being equal.

 

[tweakboy]

How many watts is the 5750 compared to GTX450. Get the one that is less power hungry to have a greener planet,, do your part,,, we got solar panels etc,,,, recycle,, thank you

 

[happy medium]

I disagree. For people who run lower-end cards/PCs, 30 watts IS significant. How many times do you read, "I have a low-end PSU, but want a good, fast Video Card around $150; what can I get?" I see it a lot, and for all those people, ATi's offerings will get bonus points.

You mean Dell, Gateway users? They usually have a low end cpu and 17 inch 1400x900 monitor anyway and can't overclock.

Tell them to buy a 4670 and let them move on. :biggrin: J/K

 

[evolucion8]

My guess with the gts455 is that it'll be a a GF104 with 4 clusters disabled giving it 288 shaders. Presumably it would be on a 192-bit interface like gtx460 768 is and would probably have it's core clocked at 750-775 mhz to ensure that it can beat a 5770. This card to me would also be "uninteresting." The only card left for Nvidia to release in the next month or so that would finally invalidate AMD's 5850 and 5870 at their current prices is the 384 shader GF104 part.

That would be a nice move for nVidia, but does the full 384 GF104 have the power to outperform the HD 5870 since the GTX 470 with its 448 shader part couldn't? Unless if the GF104 has a considerably stronger IPC than the GF100. Plus there's some bottleneck in the GF104 design which is shown in Vantage, http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30393722&postcount=30

May be with all the cores enabled, it will go away.

 

[happy medium]

That would be a nice move for nVidia, but does the full 384 GF104 have the power to outperform the HD 5870 since the GTX 470 with its 448 shader part couldn't? Unless if the GF104 has a considerably stronger IPC than the GF100. Plus there's some bottleneck in the GF104 design which is shown in Vantage, http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30393722&postcount=30

May be with all the cores enabled, it will go away.

In name alone it should beat a gtx470, but I'd exspect it to trade punches with a 5870 for a little less money. Just a good guess.

 

[tviceman]

That would be a nice move for nVidia, but does the full 384 GF104 have the power to outperform the HD 5870 since the GTX 470 with its 448 shader part couldn't? Unless if the GF104 has a considerably stronger IPC than the GF100. Plus there's some bottleneck in the GF104 design which is shown in Vantage, http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30393722&postcount=30

May be with all the cores enabled, it will go away.

My guess is that if such a card ever comes out (which financially makes tremendous sense AFTER Nvidia can clear most of it's gtx465 / 470 stock) Nvidia is probably stockpiling their best gf104 parts that can run at a full 384 shaders and at lower (than average) voltages so the card can be clocked higher (like the gtx480 is over the gtx470), still maintain an acceptable power envelope (equal to or lower than a gtx470), and also be able to run at relatively lower temperatures.

I think everyone agrees that clock for clock GF104 scales pretty well (almost linear). a 20% overclock in core/shader speeds more often than not gets 15-18% increase in performance. So, if there are 14.3% more shaders and the entire card is operating at 775mhz - which is 14.8% faster clock speeds (just a guess, I chose 100mhz higher like gtx480 is over gtx470)

I get 131% better potential performance than a reference gtx460 1 gig. In real world applications, a gtx470 is about 20% better, so I think a fully functional GF104 core will outperform a gtx470 if the core is clocked at 775mhz or higher.

And since I'm throwing out all sorts of guesses and estimates, I'm guessing it'll be priced between $279-299. $279 might be a little optimistic, but it could be Nvidia's last chance to get a compelling product out before the 6x00 series comes in full force. AMD will still be in the drivers seat again soon and will be able to price their entire lineup however they want (within reason).

 

[happy medium]

My guess is that if such a card ever comes out (which financially makes tremendous sense AFTER Nvidia can clear most of it's gtx465 / 470 stock) Nvidia is probably stockpiling their best gf104 parts that can run at a full 384 shaders and at lower (than average) voltages so the card can be clocked higher (like the gtx480 is over the gtx470), still maintain an acceptable power envelope (equal to or lower than a gtx470), and also be able to run at relatively lower temperatures.

I think everyone agrees that clock for clock GF104 scales pretty well (almost linear). a 20% overclock in core/shader speeds more often than not gets 15-18% increase in performance. So, if there are 14.3% more shaders and the entire card is operating at 775mhz - which is 14.8% faster clock speeds (just a guess, I chose 100mhz higher like gtx480 is over gtx470)

I get 131% better potential performance than a reference gtx460 1 gig. In real world applications, a gtx470 is about 20% better, so I think a fully functional GF104 core will outperform a gtx470 if the core is clocked at 775mhz or higher.

And since I'm throwing out all sorts of guesses and estimates, I'm guessing it'll be priced between $279-299. $279 might be a little optimistic, but it could be Nvidia's last chance to get a compelling product out before the 6x00 series comes in full force. AMD will still be in the drivers seat again soon and will be able to price their entire lineup however they want (within reason).

I think thats reasonable. At 300$ it sounds good.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I do understand your point, but the issue isn't not being able to beat the GTX 260+ (Usually midrange cards of new generation of cards matches previous high end cards), the issue is that is a card that doesn't offer anything new and is barely faster than the old HD 5750. IF you come late to the party, the best you can do is to outperform your competitors in the segment that you are competing, and launching the card to compete with the HD 5770 which can't outperform and was released almost a year ago is the issue. I hope that the GTS 455 outperforms the HD 5770.

First off, its not like the 5700s were able to outperform the 4870/4890, I remember just as many people trumpeting the fail horn when the 5700s debuted.

Second, what is nVidia supposed to do? Not release anything? Sure, it doesn't appear to offer anything eye-popping, but we have yet to see full performance review and pricing. Sure, the "best" thing to do is to produce a better product, but if you can't you can always try to go for value, nVidia could always rely on reputation and aggressive pricing. Worst case scenario is there's added competition, which is always a good thing for us consumers.

 

[lopri]

Sorry if this was already covered, but does this card need a 6-pin PCIe power connector or not?

 

[toyota]

Sorry if this was already covered, but does this card need a 6-pin PCIe power connector or not?

of course it will since its far from being a 75 watt card. also there are pics of it right there in the link from the OP.

 

[Skurge]

lol

 

[evolucion8]

First off, its not like the 5700s were able to outperform the 4870/4890, I remember just as many people trumpeting the fail horn when the 5700s debuted.

Second, what is nVidia supposed to do? Not release anything? Sure, it doesn't appear to offer anything eye-popping, but we have yet to see full performance review and pricing. Sure, the "best" thing to do is to produce a better product, but if you can't you can always try to go for value, nVidia could always rely on reputation and aggressive pricing. Worst case scenario is there's added competition, which is always a good thing for us consumers.

Well, the HD 5770 with recent driver development barely matches the HD 4870, but like I said before, new generations of midrange cards matching previous high end cards is the typical AMD's move (Like the HD 4670 matching the previous high end HD 3870) and makes sense, but nVidia releasing a card that can't even match the HD 5770 is no acceptable, nVidia can do more than that, sentimentalism aside. But we will have to wait until nVidia release the cards and choose the price to see if its worth it, for less than $99.00 or putting it against the HD 5750 price point may worth it.

 

[Wreckage]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gts-450-release-slides-leaked/9758.html

Expected to retail at $130, the GeForce GTS 450 is slightly cheaper than the Radeon HD 5750, despite performing approximately 10% better. Heavily factory overclocked versions will be available, upto 900+ MHz. In fact, the some GTS 450 may hit 1 GHz. From a stock speed of 783 MHz, this is incredible overclocking potential. Sporting a GTX 460-like cooler, the GTS 450 provides ample cooling performance, with Furmark load temperatures only 72C at default fan settings.

Overall, the GeForce GTS 450 is looking like a strong product.

 

[tviceman]

And like I've been saying all along, if it's priced right then it'll be a good product. $130 vs. the current crop of competition is a good price.


And I'm starting to think that the gts455 won't in fact be a further cut down gf104 core. It may be a gf106 core with a 256-bit bus and higher core/shader clocks.

 

[toyota]

And like I've been saying all along, if it's priced right then it'll be a good product. $130 vs. the current crop of competition is a good price.


And I'm starting to think that the gts455 won't in fact be a further cut down gf104 core. It may be a gf106 core with a 256-bit bus and higher core/shader clocks.

you cant just simply add 256bit to the gf106. you are not some noob on here so I would think that you would know that.

 

[Grooveriding]

Terrible card, this thing gets left behind by a GTX 260.

Seems nvidia is having to segway into being a provider of mid-range cards as they can't keep up with a high end release schedule currently.

Perhaps their new strategy is to sell mid-range cards while they catch up in the high end to ATI's new releases.

 

[Wreckage]

Terrible card, this thing gets left behind by a GTX 260.

Seems nvidia is having to segway into being a provider of mid-range cards as they can't keep up with a high end release schedule currently.

Perhaps their new strategy is to sell mid-range cards while they catch up in the high end to ATI's new releases.

Well they already have the GTX460 768 to stomp on the 5770 (which is slower than a 4870 btw, p.o.s.)

They have the best cards, which is why people like you bought 2 of em. Vote with your dollar I say. :thumbsup:

NVIDIA is on a wining streak. That looks to continue for awhile. Especially if the 6870 rebadge does not show up till next year.

 

[evolucion8]

Well they already have the GTX460 768 to stomp on the 5770 (which is slower than a 4870 btw, p.o.s.)

They have the best cards, which is why people like you bought 2 of em. Vote with your dollar I say. :thumbsup:

NVIDIA is on a wining streak. That looks to continue for awhile. Especially if the 6870 rebadge does not show up till next year.

Winning streak? LOLL, the GTS 450 can't outperform the "P.O.S." HD 5770 like you called it, so if the HD 5770 is a pos, what name can we used for the GTS 450?

Winning streak? Being late to the DX11 market and far behind, coming with hot and loud underperforming stuff that can't beat the 1 year old Evergreen family. The GTX 460 768 barely outperforms the shitty HD 5830, the GTX 460 1GB can't outperform the HD 5850, the GTX 470 barely matches the old HD 5870 and the GTX 480 can't outperform the HD 5970, if that's a winning streak for you, great. :awe:

And to underscore this, look at nVidia, dropping the prices of the GTX 460 again!! it looks to me as an act of desesperation.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-prices-cut/9760.html

 

[Grooveriding]

Winning streak? LOLL, the GTS 450 can't outperform the "P.O.S." HD 5770 like you called it, so if the HD 5770 is a pos, what name can we used for the GTS 450?

Winning streak? Being late to the DX11 market and far behind, coming with hot and loud underperforming stuff that can't beat the 1 year old Evergreen family. The GTX 460 768 barely outperforms the shitty HD 5830, the GTX 460 1GB can't outperform the HD 5850, the GTX 470 barely matches the old HD 5870 and the GTX 480 can't outperform the HD 5970, if that's a winning streak for you, great. :awe:

And to underscore this, look at nVidia, dropping the prices of the GTX 460 again!! it looks to me as an act of desesperation.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-prices-cut/9760.html

Weird even when you have someone on ignore you can see their posts if they are quoted by someone else.

460 prices are dropping like a rock because 6770 is coming next month and will negate it as a viable part, they are trying to move the stock before it's rendered obsolete by ATI coming to table with 2nd generation DX11 parts while nvidia still is going to be selling first gen.

Once 6870 drops we'll probably see GTX 480s for $250 to $300. Will be a good deal for folks who want to get in on a nice, powerful card that will be slotting into the mid-range bracket once the 6870 hits market. So long as they have a power supply sufficient and plenty of cooling available.

Hopefully ATI can deliver on the 6870 in cooling and temperatures as well. Having a good 135% the performance of the GTX 480 and running cooler and quieter will make the card a gigantic win, as 480s are obnoxious to run with their insane heat and power and noise problems.

 

[tviceman]

you cant just simply add 256bit to the gf106. you are not some noob on here so I would think that you would know that.

Do you mean like you can't just add a 256-bit bus on gf104?

 

[Skurge]

Winning streak? LOLL, the GTS 450 can't outperform the "P.O.S." HD 5770 like you called it, so if the HD 5770 is a pos, what name can we used for the GTS 450?

Winning streak? Being late to the DX11 market and far behind, coming with hot and loud underperforming stuff that can't beat the 1 year old Evergreen family. The GTX 460 768 barely outperforms the shitty HD 5830, the GTX 460 1GB can't outperform the HD 5850, the GTX 470 barely matches the old HD 5870 and the GTX 480 can't outperform the HD 5970, if that's a winning streak for you, great. :awe:

And to underscore this, look at nVidia, dropping the prices of the GTX 460 again!! it looks to me as an act of desesperation.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-prices-cut/9760.html

Im surprised he isn't on your ignore list yet. And Yes, they need to fix that people who are on your ignore list have their post show up when some one quotes them.