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nVidia G92 cards to be renamed

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: taltamir
the 9800GT has less shade processors, duh!
Sarcasm aside, its basically a cut down version (only the cut down version came out first) of the GTX200
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Hehe. Ok, so to name the 9800GT, for example, GTS240 would be somewhat appropriate?
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absolutely, and it will reduce confusion IMAO
 
Actually there is a difference between G92 and GT200 based cards. The GT200 cards support DP and CUDA version 2.0 where as the G92s GPGPU abilities are far less greater than the former (it doesn't support DP and only supports up to version 1.x). There is a significant difference between the versions, and I doubt nVIDIA will rebrand the G92 series again. Why? they want to push CUDA as much as they can, and to do so require affordable cards to support its full spec. Not to mention that a whole slew of nVIDIA cards based on 40nm process will be hitting us Q1/Q2 09. IMHO, I doubt there will be a rebranding but instead these supposed new branding scheme isnt for the G92 but the GT214, the next gen mid range card to take on RV740.
 
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You're not sure how I can consider it, because you think it's a poor naming choice. While I agree that the naming should have been different back then, I think this is a step in the right direction, and they should keep this sort of naming scheme from here on.
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My point is that you can't 'fix' a bad naming convention after the fact by changing a product's name. A product should keep the same name throughout its lifetime. That is the best way to avoid confusion.
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maybe, maybe not. I think it is fixable, I doubt that is what they are doing though.
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Actually there is a difference between G92 and GT200 based cards. The GT200 cards support DP and CUDA version 2.0 where as the G92s GPGPU abilities are far less greater than the former (it doesn't support DP and only supports up to version 1.x). There is a significant difference between the versions, and I doubt nVIDIA will rebrand the G92 series again. Why? they want to push CUDA as much as they can, and to do so require affordable cards to support its full spec. Not to mention that a whole slew of nVIDIA cards based on 40nm process will be hitting us Q1/Q2 09. IMHO, I doubt there will be a rebranding but instead these supposed new branding scheme isnt for the G92 but the GT214, the next gen mid range card to take on RV740.
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true, there area also new home cinema features, etc... but the only architectural difference for gaming is that the shaders are a little more efficient.

Although, why are people demanding constant slew of new architectures? I am LOVING the notion that a new "generation" comes out every 3 months with tiny improvements, rather then only ever 18 months with massive improvements. This means I don't have to constantly be in fear of buying a card for more than it is worth just before a new version arrives.
 
I guess they are fed up with G80 derivatives for the past ~2 years. But thats just how nVIDIA operates. Just like the NV4x generation, which lasted for ~2.5 years (NV40, NV47/G70 to G71).
 
why are they fed up with them though? its faster? yes! its cheaper? VERY MUCH SO! so what is the problem? faster and cheaper is not good enough for people? they want it to be "new". Fuck them I say.
 
Originally posted by: Rike
No, this why they haven't scaled the true 200 cards down. It's not about able, they just aren't doing it because they are doing to rebadge the same old cards again. Millions of people will fall for this and "upgrade" their 8800GTs and swear they can tell the difference when they are running nearly identical hardware. :disgust:

Nvidia stockholders: win
Most everyone else: lose
:thumbsdown: for Nvidia
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Are you saying people buy their video cards based on the name of the card on the box and nothing else?

If so, I don't have much sympathy for them.

The world doesn't owe anyone protection from themselves, and there is no truth in advertising law that applies here.

 
Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: Rike
No, this why they haven't scaled the true 200 cards down. It's not about able, they just aren't doing it because they are doing to rebadge the same old cards again. Millions of people will fall for this and "upgrade" their 8800GTs and swear they can tell the difference when they are running nearly identical hardware. :disgust:

Nvidia stockholders: win
Most everyone else: lose
:thumbsdown: for Nvidia
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Are you saying people buy their video cards based on the name of the card on the box and nothing else?

If so, I don't have much sympathy for them.

The world doesn't owe anyone protection from themselves, and there is no truth in advertising law that applies here.
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Well duh!! Why else would Nv rename them?

 
thing is, there are so many hours in a day, and waaaaaaaay too many things to be able to research them all. from car components, to computer components, to medical procedures, to food... And everyone has an interest in lying to you to upsell you on stuff.
 
is this another marketing trick like rebrand 8800s -> 9800s -> G2xx etc? nvidia is really gonna piss me off doing this again! why thye bother to make anything new if they can keep the same old stuff just "upgrade" the name. that will be their new corp strategy.
 
they only rebrad their previous high end as current low end, your example of 9800 to G2xx for example, the G2xx is obviously NOT the same card, it might be very similar architecturally, but it has was more stuff.

Show me ONE benchmark that shows that the GTX280 is the SAME CARD as a 9800GTX like you just claimed.
 
Originally posted by: nRollo
Are you saying people buy their video cards based on the name of the card on the box and nothing else?

If so, I don't have much sympathy for them.

The world doesn't owe anyone protection from themselves, and there is no truth in advertising law that applies here.
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Everyone knows people in general are stupid. Don't act all surprised and ignorant (and I mean unknowing and naive, nothing negative) on us now. It's why consumers in general are sometimes referred to as sheep or lemmings.

The fact that nVidia renamed their "new" cards that are still based on revamped "old" technology is not by accident. It is exploiting the fact that general consumers won't know that the "new" cards are not based on "new" technology. General consumers buying a video card at Best Buys and even the idiots selling video cards at Best Buys won't know that the new G series of cards are pretty much the same as the older Geforce 9 series.


It's borderline shady but it's not like ATI hasn't done this nor is it a surprise as nVidia has done this in the past as well. The other thing is that these are higher end 9 series cards that are being rebranded as low end cards.

So on the one hand I don't like the practice, it seems somewhat exploitative of the ignorance of consumers but at the same time it's not like there are anything wrong with the cards themselves nor is the performance lacking in any way. People buying low end cards aren't going to care about XYZ cutting feature anyways. Just decent performance for the cheapest price.

Not a huge issue as far as I'm concerned nor is it any type of issue to any informed consumer. Unfortunately 90% of consumers are uninformed but that is an issue with consumers and any company that chooses to exploit them. So long as it is not outright illegal (and this is not illegal), who are we to complain? Just don't try to act like nVidia (or ATI) isn't being a tad shady in this whole renaming scheme.
 
You could also look at it as if they are also helping people, who would otherwise NOT buy an excellent cheap card because it is "last gen"
 
My only complaint is that it should be a crime, punishable by death to allow the sale of the Geforce 5200 FX. That card is so pathetic words cannot describe it. Yet, I have seen many people make such a foolish purchase. It really is WORSE than current Intel Integrated Graphics. The X4500 would dominate the Geforce 5200FX.

In fact, I have first hand knowledge with this pathetic little card. I had to borrow one from a friend, thinking that it would play WoW. Oh no, I was wrong... Well, I take that back, it could play WoW, with every setting turned down, resolution set to 640x480 at 10 FPS. I couldn't believe it. I thought this card would at least have bested my GMAX3100, but it didn't. Sad... Sad... Then by Dad bought one and was fooled by the 512MB sticker on the box. Grrr... Can you feel the love?
 
Well, there really isn't anything preventing consumers from doing a little research before purchasing any goods or services.
My wife and I recently purchased a new vehicle. But not before I researched it. Without even realizing it, we purchased one of JD Powers highest rated vehicles. Then we needed a new vacuum. Quick search for reviews on the web. We knew what to buy and what not to buy for the best price. Oh, and a LCDTV. We waited 6 months for the particular TV we wanted (or I wanted. My wife leaves the electronics purchases up to me) and for the price to come down or for a sale. I researched LCDTV's to exhaustion. And we got the most beautiful picture I have ever seen on any TV. It pays for any consumer to research their potential purchases. This day and age, where there isn't anybody without access to the internet, even if they have to go to a internet cafe, it is so easy to research. Those who do not, and walk in to a store and buy an item they have no clue about, will either get lucky, or be very unsatisfied with it.

ArchAngel777, your Dad bought a 5200. You said he fell for the 512MB advertisement on the box thinking that was great, right?
How come he didn't ask you first? He must have known that you are into computers and should know a thing or two about them.
Or was it just a "whim" purchase as he passed through a store? Anyway, I hope you set him straight about it.
 
Hey lay off the 5200 FX, I put my XFX GeForce FX 5200 in a mostly business use computer but it ran Quake3 just fine.
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
ArchAngel777, your Dad bought a 5200. You said he fell for the 512MB advertisement on the box thinking that was great, right?
How come he didn't ask you first? He must have known that you are into computers and should know a thing or two about them.
Or was it just a "whim" purchase as he passed through a store? Anyway, I hope you set him straight about it.
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I don't know for sure, but I think he wanted some autonomy. He is pretty decent with computers at least, how to use them I am sure one of his buddies touted how great the card was and told him that it is working great for him. You know how it goes

"Sometimes BF 1942 gets choppy... I wonder what that is"
"Oh, I know what that is! It is your VIDEO card. I picked up a GeForce 5200FX and this game runs great" and... that is probably how it happened, is my best guess.

Regardless, I now just pay for his upgrades and give them to him as gifts so it doesn't happen agian. In fact, I just replaced his 8800GTS 640MB with a 260GTX just last week. I didn't want him buying some Matrox G400 or something... hehe. Actually, for right now he has a faster system than I do... Then again, he actually games a ton. Pretty crazy when your 58 old dad plays more games than you...
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
My wife and I recently purchased a new vehicle. But not before I researched it. Without even realizing it, we purchased one of JD Powers highest rated vehicles. Then we needed a new vacuum. Quick search for reviews on the web. We knew what to buy and what not to buy for the best price. Oh, and a LCDTV. We waited 6 months for the particular TV we wanted (or I wanted. My wife leaves the electronics purchases up to me) and for the price to come down or for a sale. I researched LCDTV's to exhaustion. And we got the most beautiful picture I have ever seen on any TV. It pays for any consumer to research their potential purchases. This day and age, where there isn't anybody without access to the internet, even if they have to go to a internet cafe, it is so easy to research. Those who do not, and walk in to a store and buy an item they have no clue about, will either get lucky, or be very unsatisfied with it.
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I agree. But research is a personal skill that only some people have. I am not sure if it is learned or not, but some people research and others don't.

 
Originally posted by: nemesismk2
Wow Nvidia are really milking the G92 for all it's worth! 😉
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Well, they are very good cards. No doubt. Everyone will get used to the naming soon enough.
 
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
My only complaint is that it should be a crime, punishable by death to allow the sale of the Geforce 5200 FX. That card is so pathetic words cannot describe it. Yet, I have seen many people make such a foolish purchase. It really is WORSE than current Intel Integrated Graphics. The X4500 would dominate the Geforce 5200FX.

In fact, I have first hand knowledge with this pathetic little card. I had to borrow one from a friend, thinking that it would play WoW. Oh no, I was wrong... Well, I take that back, it could play WoW, with every setting turned down, resolution set to 640x480 at 10 FPS. I couldn't believe it. I thought this card would at least have bested my GMAX3100, but it didn't. Sad... Sad... Then by Dad bought one and was fooled by the 512MB sticker on the box. Grrr... Can you feel the love?
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how much did the card cost? and the advertising on the box for 512MB of ram could have been "compared to the 256MB version of this card", you know, back when the box was made, back when the card was made... back YEARS AGO when it was actually a decent card.

Or do you think they replace old boxes with new ones?
 
Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
My only complaint is that it should be a crime, punishable by death to allow the sale of the Geforce 5200 FX. That card is so pathetic words cannot describe it. Yet, I have seen many people make such a foolish purchase. It really is WORSE than current Intel Integrated Graphics. The X4500 would dominate the Geforce 5200FX.

In fact, I have first hand knowledge with this pathetic little card. I had to borrow one from a friend, thinking that it would play WoW. Oh no, I was wrong... Well, I take that back, it could play WoW, with every setting turned down, resolution set to 640x480 at 10 FPS. I couldn't believe it. I thought this card would at least have bested my GMAX3100, but it didn't. Sad... Sad... Then by Dad bought one and was fooled by the 512MB sticker on the box. Grrr... Can you feel the love?
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how much did the card cost? and the advertising on the box for 512MB of ram could have been "compared to the 256MB version of this card", you know, back when the box was made, back when the card was made... back YEARS AGO when it was actually a decent card.

Or do you think they replace old boxes with new ones?
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I think he paid $149.99. Places still advertise that card. Microcenter in Minneapolis where I live still sells these suckers in NEW packaging and they try and get like 79.99 for them. Real shame... Heck, even Best Buy has had them on their shelves for outlandish prices.
 
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