nVidia G92 cards to be renamed

[thilanliyan]

http://www.techpowerup.com/801...ce_GTS_200_Series.html

Why is it that they haven't been able to scale down the true 200 series?

 

[Rike]

No, this why they haven't scaled the true 200 cards down. It's not about able, they just aren't doing it because they are doing to rebadge the same old cards again. Millions of people will fall for this and "upgrade" their 8800GTs and swear they can tell the difference when they are running nearly identical hardware. :disgust:

Nvidia stockholders: win
Most everyone else: lose
:thumbsdown: for Nvidia

 

[zerocool84]

I wonder if it's worth it to upgrade my 9800GTX+ to a GTS250

 

[Andrew1990]

wow, props goes to Nvidia for Milking th same cards.

So the GTS240 will have a GTS240 sticker on it as well as a 8800GT and 9800GT sticker on the same card

 

[OCGuy]

I'm waiting to see them do it. I thought the 55nm GTX260s were going to be "hidden" due to nV's greed and wanting to sell off all 65nm stock. We know how that turned out.

 

[Tary88]

why isn't this illegal?

 

[Tempered81]

They're milking G80 for almost 3 years now

 

[Bman123]

gotta make that money somehow.
They know people will be like zomgwtfhmbbqbug I gotta get one they are new and faster

 

[PCTC2]

Originally posted by: Rike

Nvidia stockholders: win
Most everyone else: doesn't matter
:thumbsup: for Nvidia

Fixed it for you. You can tell what I own.

Well, the G92 is still a good chip, despite being rebadged twice in the past year.

oh, and I just picked up a 55nm GTX 260. haha

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: PCTC2
oh, and I just picked up a 55nm GTX 260.

how well does it Overclock?

 

[BenSkywalker]

While I can understand some people thinking this is nV doing customers a disservice, I consider what the alternative is.

What would you rather have-

A 3870 or 4670?

A 7900 or 8600?

I could keep going on and on with this, honestly the more I think about it the better it seems to me to do it the way nV is then doing it the way everyone has been in years past. Give me the screaming fast board from last year at today's midrange prices, I can deal with that. I would rather that then a seriously castrated version of today's fastest cards.

I know, for those of us that follow the vid card market it is a bunch of needless name changes, but I was talking to someone online today while playing who bought the 9400 over the 8800 because it was the newer card. May seem wrong to us, but the reality is nV is making things less confusing for the typical customer doing things this way then how they or ATi have done it in the past.

 

[Genx87]

I am sure those who are appalled voiced their disgust at ATI rebadging the R200 as the 9000,9100,9150,9200 for about 3 years.

 

[PCTC2]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: PCTC2
oh, and I just picked up a 55nm GTX 260.

how well does it Overclock?

I'll know in a few weeks. Bought parts for a new system online today and won't get it for 2 weeks.

 

[geokilla]

W T F.

If this goes on, ATI's gonna surpass NVIDIA in terms of gaming performance. Rumors has it that ATI is already preparing it's next generation card.

 

[ther00kie16]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
While I can understand some people thinking this is nV doing customers a disservice, I consider what the alternative is.

What would you rather have-

A 3870 or 4670?

A 7900 or 8600?

I could keep going on and on with this, honestly the more I think about it the better it seems to me to do it the way nV is then doing it the way everyone has been in years past. Give me the screaming fast board from last year at today's midrange prices, I can deal with that. I would rather that then a seriously castrated version of today's fastest cards.

The downside I see is a rebadged 8800/9800 is still going to draw nearly as much power as the higher-end parts whereas a 4670, because of the new tech, will draw much less power while still being competitive. Therefore, I think nVidia is losing in the power efficiency game here.

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: geokilla
W T F.

If this goes on, ATI's gonna surpass NVIDIA in terms of gaming performance. Rumors has it that ATI is already preparing it's next generation card.

and nvidia will come with 300 series name

 

[BenSkywalker]

The downside I see is a rebadged 8800/9800 is still going to draw nearly as much power as the higher-end parts whereas a 4670, because of the new tech, will draw much less power while still being competitive.

Some power numbers. The 9800GT uses 23% more power which falls a bit below what it beats the 4670 by in terms of performance on average at vid card limited settings. I can understand your line of thought on this point, but the numbers indicate that power consumption in that market segment won't be an issue for them. ATi wasn't focusing on low power designs with any of the 4xx0 parts, that may change moving forward but as of now performance per watt would seem to be even to slightly giving nV the edge in this particular comparison(the situation does change if you go to the 4830 where is comes out ahead, but we were talking about the 4670 ).

Rumors has it that ATI is already preparing it's next generation card.

Hehe, ATi is working on at least their next three generations worth of cards right now- if they aren't they are going out of business. Same with nVidia.

 

[IlllI]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am sure those who are appalled voiced their disgust at ATI rebadging the R200 as the 9000,9100,9150,9200 for about 3 years.

lets not forget the gefore4 mx line of cards
mx200, mx400, mx440, mx460 etc etc

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: geokilla
W T F.

If this goes on, ATI's gonna surpass NVIDIA in terms of gaming performance. Rumors has it that ATI is already preparing it's next generation card.

Hardly, you think Nvidia isn't working on a GTX300 or something AFTER the soon to be released GTX295?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: geokilla
W T F.

If this goes on, ATI's gonna surpass NVIDIA in terms of gaming performance. Rumors has it that ATI is already preparing it's next generation card.

Im pretty sure they are both always preparing the next gen.

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: PCTC2

Originally posted by: Rike

Nvidia stockholders: win
Most everyone else: doesn't matter
:thumbsup: for Nvidia

Fixed it for you. You can tell what I own.

Well, the G92 is still a good chip, despite being rebadged twice in the past year.

oh, and I just picked up a 55nm GTX 260. haha

How ever sales is down :thumbsdown:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: geokilla
W T F.

If this goes on, ATI's gonna surpass NVIDIA in terms of gaming performance. Rumors has it that ATI is already preparing it's next generation card.

If they're just changing the names, how does this change performance? As newer cards emerge, the previous cards just move down a rung.

Examples: Hypothetical naming.

9600GT becomes GTS 230
9800GT becomes GTS240
9800GTX becomes GTS250

GTX260
GTX280
GTX285
GTX295

GTX360
GTX380

GTX460
GTX480

and so on.

As new cards are released, the older ones will change in there status. From "Enthusiast" to "Performance". From "Performance" to "Mainstream" and from "Mainstream" to "Value". And prices will shift accordingly when the newer tech comes out, as it always does. You can get a 9600GT for 60.00 with a rebate right now, when it's debut price was something like 179? IIRC.

I think BenSkywalker is right about the naming scheme becoming less confusing by doing this. With this naming scheme, there is no question in performance differences by going by the name of the GPU.

 

[Qbah]

Why couldn't they do it when the GTX series hit the market? Instead they gave us "next-gen" 9-series, which was rebadged 8-series, then they added 55nm 9-series with the same names. Granted, I'm not affected by it since I know what those names mean. And it won't matter to the average Joe since he will just buy a GTS240, not a 8800GT or 9800GT and he will get the same... as long as the "new" GTS cards won't come with a price premium. And I find it highly unlikely that people will upgrade from 9800GT to a GTS240 for example, since they will most likely ask first.

Also, it doesn't make sense to cut down the new GTX cards if the result would be the same in terms of performance (since the new cards don't have any new features anyway). Not to mention the "levels" right now are pretty well created.

What I'm thinking happened... nVidia didn't expect the HD48x0 series to perform this well, so the 9-series was created to fight those (since the HD38x0 one was fighting with the 8-series). The GTX cards were supposed to be the top high end (hence their initial price). At least now it will be clear, with only one naming scheme vs another

GTS230 vs HD4670
GTS240 vs HD4830
GTS250 vs HD4850
GTX260 vs HD4870
GTX285 vs HD4870x2
GTX295

Or something

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Qbah
Why couldn't they do it when the GTX series hit the market? Instead they gave us "next-gen" 9-series, which was rebadged 8-series, then they added 55nm 9-series with the same names. Granted, I'm not affected by it since I know what those names mean. And it won't matter to the average Joe since he will just buy a GTS240, not a 8800GT or 9800GT and he will get the same... as long as the "new" GTS cards won't come with a price premium. And I find it highly unlikely that people will upgrade from 9800GT to a GTS240 for example, since they will most likely ask first.

Also, it doesn't make sense to cut down the new GTX cards if the result would be the same in terms of performance (since the new cards don't have any new features anyway). Not to mention the "levels" right now are pretty well created.

What I'm thinking happened... nVidia didn't expect the HD48x0 series to perform this well, so the 9-series was created to fight those (since the HD38x0 one was fighting with the 8-series). The GTX cards were supposed to be the top high end (hence their initial price). At least now it will be clear, with only one naming scheme vs another

GTS230 vs HD4670
GTS240 vs HD4830
GTS250 vs HD4850
GTX260 vs HD4870
GTX285 vs HD4870x2
GTX295

Or something

I hear you. Well, all I can say is, they're doing it now. Probably takes some time to transistion. Stock needs to clear, other factors. Don't know really. But, this is a step in the right direction.

 

[Peelback79]

In light of the current economical situation, can you blame them for wanting to make as much as possible? And you should rejoice that you're part of the 'informed' group who can turn your nose up at these "newer" cards.
This is something we've seen before, and will probably see again.