nVidia G92 cards to be renamed

[Cookie Monster]

Last time the rumours were suggesting a rebranding scheme of the G92 products into Geforce GTS/GT 1x0 series. This news never materialized.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Part of me, it drives me nuts when Nvidia renames the same product and markets it as something new. But in this case I do think this makes sense. The 9800 cards are more or less a similar architecture just with less 'stuff' and are already sold in the mid to enthusiast range. This naming clears up some confusion as to what is better, the 9800GTX+ or a GTX260... it'd be difficult for someone not in the loop to decipher, this clears it up.

I agree, the new names for the G92 cards actually make nVidia's lineup less confusing by bringing all cards over to nVidia's new naming scheme. Still though it is insane that nVidia has renamed the same cards from 8 series -> 9 series, and now from 9 series -> GT/S 200 series. IMO nVidia should have never released the 9 series and simply named the 9600GT/9800GT/9800GTX/etc the GT/S 100 series. That would have made a lot of sense with the GTX 200 series launching soon after.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Quiksilver


At this rate I hope ATI buries Nvidia like Nvidia did back when ATI couldn't get the 2900 series cards out on time with decent performance.

You want the company with the top single GPU, and soon to be the top overall card to be "buried" because you dont like how they name them?

Well, at least we know what angle you are coming from.

I never said permanently. It's a love/hate relationship with me and Nvidia. I think it's a time to change to see ATI shine for a yera or two; then flip-flop again. It seems to bring the best out of the manufactures that way.

Well ATi is shining right now, in my eyes. They brought top-end cards from both companies down to a price where you dont have to be a Jordanian King to own one for the moment. :thumbsup:

Definitely, it is insane how much better the video card market is today compared to a year or two ago. You can now get a $100 card from either company (HD 4830 or 9800GT) that will play pretty much any game at maximum settings at 1680x1050. I can buy an SLI setup of the second fastest single-GPU card on the market for the same price as what I paid for a single X1900XT when it came out. For what you used to pay for a 8600GTS/HD 2600XT you can now buy an HD 4850 or 9800GTX+. If it was up to nVidia we would be paying $450 for a GTX 260 192SP and $650 for a GTX 280 right now. I think it is really amazing that AMD came in and, even with faster products at most price ranges, undercut nVidia by up to $100+.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Yes, they are pretty close but in most reviews and benchmarks the 9600GT is a good deal faster than the HD4670, and its performance lead usually grows when the resolution and detail settings are cranked up. So I don't consider the HD4670 a direct competitor to the 9600GT, and I think that is pretty evident in the pricing. Afterall the HD4670 is usually cheaper.

$9 difference in price, I consider them to be competitors at that price point. It is true, they are not competitive in performance really at all, but ATi has them priced to go head ot head with the 9600GT right now so that is what it will get compared to.

THE HD4670 has other advantages which might influence the price: It doesn't need an external power connector and it's a better HTPC card. Besides, I don't think ATI sets the rebate price. Isn't that up to the manufacturer of the card? And even if you consider those prices you listed, the $9 difference results in a 16% price increase of the 9600GT over the HD4670, which without crunching numbers on a lot of benchmarks look about right as far as its performance advantage is concerned.

 

[schneiderguy]

While I agree that nvidia shouldn't be renaming their g92 cards, what else would they do? It wouldn't do them any good to develop a GT200 derivative with somewhere between 192 and 128sp because it wouldn't be much faster than a 9800gtx, and it would be expensive for them to do.

It's nvidia's fault that they made g92 too fast 😉

 

[PCTC2]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: PCTC2
I'll know in a few weeks. Bought parts for a new system online today and won't get it for 2 weeks.

2 weeks can ship back/forth across the USA on ground. Did they not have "real" inventory?

I paid a friend to buy everything in MA for me from Newegg and ship it to CA for me to avoid sales tax. Despite twice the shipping, it still saved me a few bucks.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: geokilla
W T F.

If this goes on, ATI's gonna surpass NVIDIA in terms of gaming performance. Rumors has it that ATI is already preparing it's next generation card.

😕


Im pretty sure they are both always preparing the next gen.

Epic lol, they prepare next-gen cards years in advance, like, 5+ years.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: PCTC2

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: PCTC2
I'll know in a few weeks. Bought parts for a new system online today and won't get it for 2 weeks.

2 weeks can ship back/forth across the USA on ground. Did they not have "real" inventory?

I paid a friend to buy everything in MA for me from Newegg and ship it to CA for me to avoid sales tax. Despite twice the shipping, it still saved me a few bucks.

thats tax evasion, and it is a crime.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: PCTC2

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: PCTC2
I'll know in a few weeks. Bought parts for a new system online today and won't get it for 2 weeks.

2 weeks can ship back/forth across the USA on ground. Did they not have "real" inventory?

I paid a friend to buy everything in MA for me from Newegg and ship it to CA for me to avoid sales tax. Despite twice the shipping, it still saved me a few bucks.

thats tax evasion, and it is a crime.

Are you sure?

Looks more like tax avoidance to me, which is perfectly legal. What he did was practically no different to driving into the other state to buy it, then bringing it home to use.

If it is tax evasion, then buying anything from someone in another state or another country who didn't pay tax on that item initially in your state would be a crime. I suppose you could set some kind of time after which it was ok, but drafting and enforcing the legislation sounds like a nightmare.

 

[PCTC2]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: PCTC2

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: PCTC2
I'll know in a few weeks. Bought parts for a new system online today and won't get it for 2 weeks.

2 weeks can ship back/forth across the USA on ground. Did they not have "real" inventory?

I paid a friend to buy everything in MA for me from Newegg and ship it to CA for me to avoid sales tax. Despite twice the shipping, it still saved me a few bucks.

thats tax evasion, and it is a crime.

Are you sure?

Looks more like tax avoidance to me, which is perfectly legal. What he did was practically no different to driving into the other state to buy it, then bringing it home to use.

If it is tax evasion, then buying anything from someone in another state or another country who didn't pay tax on that item initially in your state would be a crime. I suppose you could set some kind of time after which it was ok, but drafting and enforcing the legislation sounds like a nightmare.

Anyways, I'm a Massachusetts resident with a Massachusetts License paying Massachusetts tax, but I'm in California for school, but I'm not home long enough to ship it myself. Anyways, I could just drive to New Hampshire, buy everything in store and not pay taxes.

 

[poohbear]

the review sites really do need to raise hell over this. They have a moral responsibility to call BS in ALL their reviews instead of saying ok we reviewed the 8800gt 2 years ago, but we're gonna go ahead and review this baby again & act like its new.

ludicrous.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: poohbear
the review sites really do need to raise hell over this. They have a moral responsibility to call BS in ALL their reviews instead of saying ok we reviewed the 8800gt 2 years ago, but we're gonna go ahead and review this baby again & act like its new.

ludicrous.

If a GTX230 (or whatever) is equal to a 8800GT in price and performance, what do you care what it is called? Can't make everyone happy, and that is the truth. There will always be someone to bitch and moan even if a change is good.

This new naming scheme removes much of the confusion. Don't you think so? Isn't this what many were asking for in naming schemes? And why raise hell? The review sites just have to mention that Nvidia changed it's naming scheme, and that this "GTS230" is the same as an 8800GT. Not something to raise hell over. IMHO

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: poohbear
the review sites really do need to raise hell over this. They have a moral responsibility to call BS in ALL their reviews instead of saying ok we reviewed the 8800gt 2 years ago, but we're gonna go ahead and review this baby again & act like its new.

ludicrous.

If a GTX230 (or whatever) is equal to a 8800GT in price and performance, what do you care what it is called? Can't make everyone happy, and that is the truth. There will always be someone to bitch and moan even if a change is good.

This new naming scheme removes much of the confusion. Don't you think so? Isn't this what many were asking for in naming schemes? And why raise hell? The review sites just have to mention that Nvidia changed it's naming scheme, and that this "GTS230" is the same as an 8800GT. Not something to raise hell over. IMHO

People complained about this naming scheme a long, long time ago. A generation or two? ago, yet they did nothing. Seems to me this is another way to milk sales and repackage an existing product.

I agree that this is a step in the right direction, but due to the fact it was taken sooooo very late in the game, it doesn't right their wrongs. They can't right their wrongs. The real truth will be when the new cards are released... If they decide to do stupid shit again with their renaming of GT300 series, then expect people to raise hell again. All of this 9800GTX+ and 260+ GTX is and has been bullshit. The whole 8800GTS 640MB Versus 8800GTS 512MB was bull shit... The whole 8800GT to 9800GT is bullshit. Their entire naming scheme has been bullshit and that doesn't even cover their mobile line of GPU's which are entirely worse than their desktop line.

Again, if nVidia fixes their naming scheme and KEEPS it fixed, then I will be satisfied. I think most users will be a swell... But until the next generation of cards, though, I will always be tempted to think this whole "lets fix it" is just a disguised attempt at even MORE sales.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: PCTC2

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: PCTC2
I'll know in a few weeks. Bought parts for a new system online today and won't get it for 2 weeks.

2 weeks can ship back/forth across the USA on ground. Did they not have "real" inventory?

I paid a friend to buy everything in MA for me from Newegg and ship it to CA for me to avoid sales tax. Despite twice the shipping, it still saved me a few bucks.

thats tax evasion, and it is a crime.

Are you sure?

Looks more like tax avoidance to me, which is perfectly legal. What he did was practically no different to driving into the other state to buy it, then bringing it home to use.

If it is tax evasion, then buying anything from someone in another state or another country who didn't pay tax on that item initially in your state would be a crime. I suppose you could set some kind of time after which it was ok, but drafting and enforcing the legislation sounds like a nightmare.

tax avoidance would be donating money to a tax deductible charity to overall keep more of your own money, or to opt in on a green power plan to pay less taxes and overall end up with more money. Basically, opting in to any government plan (commonly called loopholes) that let you keep more money if you do something "nice" is tax avoidance.

There was a CEO of a big corporation that had a bunch of expensive items bought and shipped to one state, and then shipped from there to him, and he got busted on tax evasion. although it COULD be that he bought it under an assumed name/company name and the reporter reported that inaccurately. It does sound muddy thought.

But anyways, he is NOT driving to another state, he has a friend buy it tax free, and then that friend sells it to him tax free at cost.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: poohbear
the review sites really do need to raise hell over this. They have a moral responsibility to call BS in ALL their reviews instead of saying ok we reviewed the 8800gt 2 years ago, but we're gonna go ahead and review this baby again & act like its new.

ludicrous.

If a GTX230 (or whatever) is equal to a 8800GT in price and performance, what do you care what it is called? Can't make everyone happy, and that is the truth. There will always be someone to bitch and moan even if a change is good.

This new naming scheme removes much of the confusion. Don't you think so? Isn't this what many were asking for in naming schemes? And why raise hell? The review sites just have to mention that Nvidia changed it's naming scheme, and that this "GTS230" is the same as an 8800GT. Not something to raise hell over. IMHO

The point in the re-branding isn't designed to remove confusion, but to increase it. The idea is to trick people into thinking that they are buying a "GT* 200 series" card, when they are actually buying an 8-series card.

 

[taltamir]

its called marketing, if you care what "series" it is rather than about cost and performance, well enjoy getting tricked. Its like all those uber crap cards advertising their ram amounts, because some people firmly believe that ram amount is all that matters, and will firmly argue with anyone who actually knows better. If people refuse to consult reviews or knowledgeable people, then let them end up with overpriced crap. And in this case, its not even changing much

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: poohbear
the review sites really do need to raise hell over this. They have a moral responsibility to call BS in ALL their reviews instead of saying ok we reviewed the 8800gt 2 years ago, but we're gonna go ahead and review this baby again & act like its new.

ludicrous.

If a GTX230 (or whatever) is equal to a 8800GT in price and performance, what do you care what it is called? Can't make everyone happy, and that is the truth. There will always be someone to bitch and moan even if a change is good.

This new naming scheme removes much of the confusion. Don't you think so? Isn't this what many were asking for in naming schemes? And why raise hell? The review sites just have to mention that Nvidia changed it's naming scheme, and that this "GTS230" is the same as an 8800GT. Not something to raise hell over. IMHO

The point in the re-branding isn't designed to remove confusion, but to increase it. The idea is to trick people into thinking that they are buying a "GT* 200 series" card, when they are actually buying an 8-series card.

Ok, how is a 9800GT different from a G200, besides the obvious? People have been screaming about the naming scheme for almost 2 years now. But they can't handle it when something is actually done about it.

 

[taltamir]

the 9800GT has less shade processors, duh!
Sarcasm aside, its basically a cut down version (only the cut down version came out first) of the GTX200

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: taltamir
the 9800GT has less shade processors, duh!
Sarcasm aside, its basically a cut down version (only the cut down version came out first) of the GTX200

Hehe. Ok, so to name the 9800GT, for example, GTS240 would be somewhat appropriate?

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: poohbear
the review sites really do need to raise hell over this. They have a moral responsibility to call BS in ALL their reviews instead of saying ok we reviewed the 8800gt 2 years ago, but we're gonna go ahead and review this baby again & act like its new.

ludicrous.

If a GTX230 (or whatever) is equal to a 8800GT in price and performance, what do you care what it is called? Can't make everyone happy, and that is the truth. There will always be someone to bitch and moan even if a change is good.

This new naming scheme removes much of the confusion. Don't you think so? Isn't this what many were asking for in naming schemes? And why raise hell? The review sites just have to mention that Nvidia changed it's naming scheme, and that this "GTS230" is the same as an 8800GT. Not something to raise hell over. IMHO

The point in the re-branding isn't designed to remove confusion, but to increase it. The idea is to trick people into thinking that they are buying a "GT* 200 series" card, when they are actually buying an 8-series card.

Ok, how is a 9800GT different from a G200, besides the obvious? People have been screaming about the naming scheme for almost 2 years now. But they can't handle it when something is actually done about it.

The 8800GT/9800GT is a perfectly fine card. That isn't the issue. The issue is that NVIDIA is trying to re-sell it as a new card, which is isn't.

IMO, the 8800GT should have been called "8900GT" at it's launch, and it should have kept this name throughout its lifetime.

I'm not really sure how you can consider switching from one poor naming, to another, and then to another "fixing" anything.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: taltamir
the 9800GT has less shade processors, duh!
Sarcasm aside, its basically a cut down version (only the cut down version came out first) of the GTX200

Hehe. Ok, so to name the 9800GT, for example, GTS240 would be somewhat appropriate?

Nope, it would have been more appropriate to name 260GTX and 280GTX to 9900GT and 9900GTX respectively. After all, there isn't much difference between the 9800GT and the GTX280, right? 😉

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: taltamir
the 9800GT has less shade processors, duh!
Sarcasm aside, its basically a cut down version (only the cut down version came out first) of the GTX200

Hehe. Ok, so to name the 9800GT, for example, GTS240 would be somewhat appropriate?

Nope, it would have been more appropriate to name 260GTX and 280GTX to 9900GT and 9900GTX respectively. After all, there isn't much difference between the 9800GT and the GTX280, right? 😉

I'm almost in agreement with you here, but I think it should have been:

8800GTX = 8800GTX
8800GT = 8900GT
8800GTS 512MB = 8900GTS
9800GTX = 8900GTX
9800GX2 = 8900GX2
9800GTX+ = 8950GTX
GTX 280 = 9800GTX
GTX 260 = 9800GT
GTX 260 sp216 = 9800GTS
GTX 260 (55nm) = 9850GTS
GTX 295 = 9850GX2

Basically, they went off course with the 8800GT because they pretty much departed with a pretty well established naming convention in the middle of a generation. Of course, the GTX 280/260 were a new generation, so I guess completely changing the naming convention at that point is acceptable. Either way, the 8800GT/9800GT is not a 200 series card.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: poohbear
the review sites really do need to raise hell over this. They have a moral responsibility to call BS in ALL their reviews instead of saying ok we reviewed the 8800gt 2 years ago, but we're gonna go ahead and review this baby again & act like its new.

ludicrous.

If a GTX230 (or whatever) is equal to a 8800GT in price and performance, what do you care what it is called? Can't make everyone happy, and that is the truth. There will always be someone to bitch and moan even if a change is good.

This new naming scheme removes much of the confusion. Don't you think so? Isn't this what many were asking for in naming schemes? And why raise hell? The review sites just have to mention that Nvidia changed it's naming scheme, and that this "GTS230" is the same as an 8800GT. Not something to raise hell over. IMHO

The point in the re-branding isn't designed to remove confusion, but to increase it. The idea is to trick people into thinking that they are buying a "GT* 200 series" card, when they are actually buying an 8-series card.

Ok, how is a 9800GT different from a G200, besides the obvious? People have been screaming about the naming scheme for almost 2 years now. But they can't handle it when something is actually done about it.

The 8800GT/9800GT is a perfectly fine card. That isn't the issue. The issue is that NVIDIA is trying to re-sell it as a new card, which is isn't.

IMO, the 8800GT should have been called "8900GT" at it's launch, and it should have kept this name throughout its lifetime.

I'm not really sure how you can consider switching from one poor naming, to another, and then to another "fixing" anything.

You're not sure how I can consider it, because you think it's a poor naming choice. While I agree that the naming should have been different back then, I think this is a step in the right direction, and they should keep this sort of naming scheme from here on.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You're not sure how I can consider it, because you think it's a poor naming choice. While I agree that the naming should have been different back then, I think this is a step in the right direction, and they should keep this sort of naming scheme from here on.

My point is that you can't 'fix' a bad naming convention after the fact by changing a product's name. A product should keep the same name throughout its lifetime. That is the best way to avoid confusion.

 

[RichieZ]

i haven't had a nvidia card since my geforce 2 GTS Ultra.

the naming convention these days is just too weird.