Nvidia 800 series desktop cards soon?

[dpodblood]

Nvidia just launched the 800M series of graphics chips for laptops. What does this mean for the desktop side of things? Will we see the new series of Nvidia cards launch soon?

I have been holding off on upgrading my GXT 570 for a while waiting for them to release the 800 series.

http://anandtech.com/show/7834/nvidia-geforce-800m-lineup-battery-boost

 

[VulgarDisplay]

It means that 20nm is still not coming to GPU's until later this year.

These are all 28nm parts.

 

[Grooveriding]

September-December.

 

[Stuka87]

Most of the new 800M series are semi re-badged Keplers. They have higher clock speeds, so will be faster. But not new tech. The 850 and 860 are the only new chips, and are based on the GM107 found the in the GTX750/750Ti.

Funny enough the 820M is a Fermi! Although its not unusual for nVidia/AMD to keep the low end cards around for a long time.

But for desktop users, this release means nothing. These are all 28nm parts, and the GTX750 was already released. Its very efficient, but is a lower end card.

 

[Jimzz]

Yep just rebadging as usual. Look at specs, not the BS names both do.

 

[dpodblood]

Damn. Does that mean that the 800 series desktop cards are just going to be rebrands with higher clock speeds as well, or will we get new architecture? That impacts my decision on whether to go for a 770 now or wait for the 870 to be released later this year.

 

[Stuka87]

Damn. Does that mean that the 800 series desktop cards are just going to be rebrands with higher clock speeds as well, or will we get new architecture? That impacts my decision on whether to go for a 770 now or wait for the 870 to be released later this year.

So, OEM's require new models every year. This is why nVidia and AMD do the rebrands (Like the AMD 8000 series which was OEM only).

I still feel it will be into fall before 20nm chips arrive.

 

[dpodblood]

I think you're probably right. GTX 570 is getting a little long in the tooth with only 1.2 GB VRAM, but at the same time I'm hesitant to buy a 700 series card knowing that 800 is coming later this year.

What kind of performance increase to we normally see from one generation to the next? Is it really worth waiting for?

 

[smartpatrol]

Damn. Does that mean that the 800 series desktop cards are just going to be rebrands with higher clock speeds as well, or will we get new architecture? That impacts my decision on whether to go for a 770 now or wait for the 870 to be released later this year.

The 700 desktop series (aside from 750/750ti) are rebrands. 800 series will be 20nm GPUs with the new Maxwell architecture.

I'd definitely wait. The 750/750ti (Maxwell GPU architecture but still on the old 28nm process) already show a huge increase in performance/watt. I can't wait to see how the high-end 20nm GPUs perform. I have a feeling it's going to be an enormous improvement over the 700 series.

 

[FalseChristian]

You're smart to wait for Maxwell 20nm parts. Your GTX 570 is still a beast so you'd have to upgrade to a GTX 770 at least to make it worthwhile. Now, if you had a GTX 470 or lower than I'd say a GTX 760 2GB. I upgraded from 2 GTX 460 1GB to a GTX 760 2GB and I'm waiting for a second one. I'm going to skip the 800 and 900-series and wait for the ?1000? series. The GTX 760 is a beast!

 

[dpodblood]

The 570 is still a pretty decent card I will admit. Just seems like the 1.2 GB VRAM is going to become an issue in the near future. I guess I'll tough it out till the fall. I probably won't be able to afford a new card till then anyway lol.

 

[Stuka87]

The 700 desktop series (aside from 750/750ti) are rebrands. 800 series will be 20nm GPUs with the new Maxwell architecture.

I'd definitely wait. The 750/750ti (Maxwell GPU architecture but still on the old 28nm process) already show a huge increase in performance/watt. I can't wait to see how the high-end 20nm GPUs perform. I have a feeling it's going to be an enormous improvement over the 700 series.

The 800M series is all rebrands. You do not know the desktop 800 series will be 20nm. Its quite possible nVidia will put out another re-brand of desktop parts to satisfy the OEM's.

 

[Mand]

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-maxwell-...eforce-800-series-arrives-2014/#ixzz2tKy20yWr

Second half 2014.

 

[Atreidin]

Blech, 820m is Fermi and looks pretty much the same as the 720m, which was pretty much the same as the 620m. Geez just get rid of it already.

 

[ams23]

Most of the new 800M series are semi re-badged Keplers. They have higher clock speeds, so will be faster. But not new tech. The 850 and 860 are the only new chips, and are based on the GM107 found the in the GTX750/750Ti.

That is incorrect. 830M, 840M, GTX 850M, and GTX 860M are all Maxwell-derived GPU's. The only Kepler-derived 8xxM GPU's are GTX 870M and GTX 880M (in addition to a GTX 860M variant that will probably see limited real world use compared to the Maxwell variant).

 

[ams23]

Damn. Does that mean that the 800 series desktop cards are just going to be rebrands with higher clock speeds as well, or will we get new architecture? That impacts my decision on whether to go for a 770 now or wait for the 870 to be released later this year.

Maxwell-derived desktop GTX 8xx GPU's are expected to arrive in the second half of 2014. Hopefully we will learn more at GTC 2014 later this month.

 

[exar333]

Think of it this way, there (hopefully) be some nice 4K displays to grab alongside a nice 20nm card later in the year. I am planning to grab 2x Maxwell + 1-2 nice 4K displays.

Hoping there are some leaked engineering samples soon to start seeing what 20nm has in store for us. If the node is executed well, we should be looking at some NICE performance increases.

 

[dangerman1337]

I'll bet we'll hear something about the more powerful Maxwell Cards (GM200, 204, 206) at GTC 2014 coming in two weeks time.

 

[rgallant]

just asking
will they even be faster than a 780 ti B1?
using a smaller die first for yields [=gtx 680],then larger dies once 20nm matures [they had pro's but not cheap consumers cards under/or $1k..-gtx 680 + 1 yearish]
what gk110 A1 sku came with all it's cores = 0 after 1.5 years [only 1 pro sku ]

 

[Techhog]

It's really a shame that the GTX 880M is just a rehash. a 100W Maxwell even on 28nm would have been really good.

 

[Techhog]

Most of the new 800M series are semi re-badged Keplers. They have higher clock speeds, so will be faster. But not new tech. The 850 and 860 are the only new chips, and are based on the GM107 found the in the GTX750/750Ti.

Funny enough the 820M is a Fermi! Although its not unusual for nVidia/AMD to keep the low end cards around for a long time.

But for desktop users, this release means nothing. These are all 28nm parts, and the GTX750 was already released. Its very efficient, but is a lower end card.

The 830M and 840M are Maxewell too. The 870M and 880M are the only rebranded Kelpers.

 

[showb1z]

The 570 is still a pretty decent card I will admit. Just seems like the 1.2 GB VRAM is going to become an issue in the near future. I guess I'll tough it out till the fall. I probably won't be able to afford a new card till then anyway lol.

Yeah, 570 (sli) still has the raw power, but the VRAM is becoming a major problem. If I set texture detail to high in BF4 I get the occasional hiccups that go away on medium.
But like you I'm gonna ride it out till Maxwell. Should be right on time for Witcher 3 hopefully.

 

[impingu1984]

But like you I'm gonna ride it out till Maxwell. Should be right on time for Witcher 3 hopefully.

I hope so cos Witcher 3 just got put back to Feb 2015!

 

[dpodblood]

I hope so cos Witcher 3 just got put back to Feb 2015!

Haha that may be a good thing. That's one game I want to be able to play at Maximum for sure.

 

[impingu1984]

I hope so cos Witcher 3 just got put back to Feb 2015!

Haha that may be a good thing. That's one game I want to be able to play at Maximum for sure.

Actually moving the Witcher 3 back means I should be able to get Dragon Age Inquisition out the way and straight into the Witcher 3.

I've got a EVGA GTX 670 FTW SIG2. It's an excellent card but if going to be running 1080p@60 in the witcher 3 / DA:I at Max setting I think an upgrade might be in order.

So I'm holding out for Maxwell, despite the inch to get a 780 TI.

I hope the High end Desktop Maxwells drop by Q2 - Q3 2014 and are 20nm too, cos my moneys waiting to be spent on one.