Now they're buring Old Glory in Berkeley...

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Farang
Those people are scum. The American flag stands for a lot more than just a current administration's policies.

My feelings exactly. :thumbsup:

And yeah, they have the right to express themselves that way. And I have the right to call them exactly what they are.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
CNN Video

Just great.

What idiots all the sudden equate recruitment center with war in Iraq? Even if we were not fighting in Iraq, the center would still be there. Or would it? Why won't these Communist, hippies just come out and say that they hate all war and don't want the USA to have a military at all?

I'm glad I'm not the President. If I were a lame duck like Bush, I might just "send in the Marines" to invade Berkeley and give them something to cry about.

Please read the US Constitution and Amendments.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
CNN Video

Just great.

What idiots all the sudden equate recruitment center with war in Iraq? Even if we were not fighting in Iraq, the center would still be there. Or would it? Why won't these Communist, hippies just come out and say that they hate all war and don't want the USA to have a military at all?

I'm glad I'm not the President. If I were a lame duck like Bush, I might just "send in the Marines" to invade Berkeley and give them something to cry about.

Burning a flag does not threaten our liberty, way of life, and values. Your attitude does, because fascists like you vote and respond to public opinion polls.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
CNN Video

Just great.

What idiots all the sudden equate recruitment center with war in Iraq? Even if we were not fighting in Iraq, the center would still be there. Or would it? Why won't these Communist, hippies just come out and say that they hate all war and don't want the USA to have a military at all?

I'm glad I'm not the President. If I were a lame duck like Bush, I might just "send in the Marines" to invade Berkeley and give them something to cry about.

Most recruits will go to Iraq, so recruiting stations can be equated to the Iraq war. I myself served up to ten years ago (a 5 year enlistment) and am wholly against this war. So stop equating those who protest it as hippies and communists. As far as the flag, I served so those people would have the right to do it ....

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

I'm glad I'm not the President. If I were a lame duck like Bush, I might just "send in the Marines" to invade Berkeley and give them something to cry about.

My statement does not imply violence at all. Perhaps Marine-enforced curfew?

That seems to be a pretty textbook case of implying violence.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Congress should pass a law putting God's name in the center of the US Flag, then we can charge anyone that burns the flag in protest for 'attempts to incite violence and create a hostile environment" and "actions of incivility'.

The ensuing investigation and hearing lasted more than five months before SFSU finally dropped the charges against the group under intense public criticism.

The College Republicans filed a federal lawsuit this week, arguing that SFSU violated the group's First Amendment rights by subjecting the group to an investigation instead of dismissing the charges out of hand.

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Looks like everything went as it should there, pending the lawsuit results of course.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
CNN Video

Just great.

What idiots all the sudden equate recruitment center with war in Iraq? Even if we were not fighting in Iraq, the center would still be there. Or would it? Why won't these Communist, hippies just come out and say that they hate all war and don't want the USA to have a military at all?

I'm glad I'm not the President. If I were a lame duck like Bush, I might just "send in the Marines" to invade Berkeley and give them something to cry about.

People like you are why I'm glad I no longer serve.

All too often we are used as police and not soldiers. Or some ignorant armchair general doesnt like people enjoying the freedom I provided and suggests using troops on American citizens because they tick him off.


-EDIT-
And for all you folks who think the flag is "sacred" and shouldnt be burned:
I signed up to defend a country, not a piece of cloth. Thats just fucking sick.

 

[alchemize]

They can burn the flag all they want. Free speech applies to mentally deficient psycopaths too.

It's when they start blocking access to a public building that I think folks should start taking offense to being passively assaulted and tase them until they let you by. I fully support responding to passive violence with active violence.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize
They can burn the flag all they want. Free speech applies to mentally deficient psycopaths too.

It's when they start blocking access to a public building that I think folks should start taking offense to being passively assaulted and tase them until they let you by. I fully support responding to passive violence with active violence.

I bet you do, as long as it's someone other than you.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: alchemize
They can burn the flag all they want. Free speech applies to mentally deficient psycopaths too.

It's when they start blocking access to a public building that I think folks should start taking offense to being passively assaulted and tase them until they let you by. I fully support responding to passive violence with active violence.

But isn't this what they are in fact doing? Are the police allowing interested individuals to enter the recruitment office?

I think if the tables were turned and pro-life protesters were blocking women from accessing a clinic, they would be hauled off immediately, would they not?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: alchemize
They can burn the flag all they want. Free speech applies to mentally deficient psycopaths too.

It's when they start blocking access to a public building that I think folks should start taking offense to being passively assaulted and tase them until they let you by. I fully support responding to passive violence with active violence.

But isn't this what they are in fact doing? Are the police allowing interested individuals to enter the recruitment office?

I think if the tables were turned and pro-life protesters were blocking women from accessing a clinic, they would be hauled off immediately, would they not?

Of course they would. There are even left-wing groups that go in and attack abortion clinic protesters who would block access. Not that I disagree with that (see previous statements).

Of course, this is nuanced see, it requires an asterik.

edit: Red Dawn, what's your point, you think it's appropriate and should tolerated, or you just spouting off as normal?

 

[Jaskalas]

Just as I support their right to be disrespectful, I support the right of others to disrespect them. Starting with the federal government?s funds.

Take it or leave it.

 

[308nato]

I used to have some strong feelings about flag burning but it has tempered over the years. So if a gaggle of cum belching old Deadhead bitches pissed that their days of being bent over in the mud at Yasgar's farm have ended want to drag their metrosexual botox injected significant other and their personality disorder medicated spawn down to burn a flag or two so what.

 

[jpeyton]

Good.

Congress just burned it in Washington when they passed the telecom spying bill.

 

[scootermaster]

Who cares, again? How does this matter to anyone?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Farang
Those people are scum. The American flag stands for a lot more than just a current administration's policies.

Disagree with them or not, it's their right to speak out, misguided as it may be.

True dat.

As much as I despise them for burning the flag, I'll always argue for their right to do so. As long as it's not MY flag, they they can burn all of them they want in protest. THAT is part of the First Amendment...
Protecting speech you like is the easy part...it's when you DON'T like it that defending free speech becomes difficult.

Anyone who thinks burning a flag should be illegal is being anti-American, even if they don't realize it...

QFT....Freedom of speech is not just "Freedom of speech that you agree with".

To those that are wishing these protesters dead/hurt, I'm sorry, but that is just plain wrong.

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

The Flag is a sign, a referent to an idea. This "idea", as such, is different in each and every person on this green earth. So, when you have one uniform symbol, that encompasses such a multitude of "ideas", being either revered or disrespected, remember that what "idea" said symbol represents in you, is assuredly not the same idea being spat upon in another's mind. Once you realize that your individual "idea" is not what is being attacked, only the symbol which happens to refer to it in your own case, then will you no longer be disconcerted at its destruction, for you will recognize that the symbol is, in fact, arbitrary. Only the idea is what matters, and nobody can burn an idea.

 

[Harvey]

It's a symbol, not the nation. If you truly value the freedoms granted under the U.S. Constitution, be glad the flag burners have the freedom to express themselves short of violence.

If you really want to get pissed about something, take a rousing dump on the Bushwhackos who are taking away those freedoms, one by one, day by day. You know... the ones you'll never miss... until YOU need them, including YOUR freedom of speech, freedom from unwarranted searches and the right to habeas corpus.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Down with the First Amendment!

Look, if you disagree with the protestors, join the 2000 counter-protestors who went down there and did just that. Or if you like, rail against what they are protesting for here. But to claim they don't have the right to protest, or to insinuate the military should round up the protestors, makes them look more american than you, flag burning or no.

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I'm glad I'm not the President.

Trust me, you're not the only one.

I'd still cut off federal funding, that threat worked when they were going to write a letter telling the Marine recruiters to GTFO.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
CNN Video

Just great.

What idiots all the sudden equate recruitment center with war in Iraq? Even if we were not fighting in Iraq, the center would still be there. Or would it? Why won't these Communist, hippies just come out and say that they hate all war and don't want the USA to have a military at all?

I'm glad I'm not the President. If I were a lame duck like Bush, I might just "send in the Marines" to invade Berkeley and give them something to cry about.

Do you view what happened at Kent State many years ago as a good thing? Bush is a worthless president, but at least he isn't a psychopath like you.

My statement does not imply violence at all. Perhaps Marine-enforced curfew?

Only if you let them use rubber bullets and tear gas

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Your argument is logically self-defeating. Men and women died to protect our right to burn the flag, so we shouldn't burn the flag. They died so we COULD burn the flag in protest.

No, they didn't they died to protect the lives and freedom of Americans. If they could have had their choice they would have seceded Berkeley to Vietnam long ago...since apparently they support everyone but Americans that are dieing for their country.

 

[Martin]

I honestly wonder where you people get all that outrage from.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Martin
I honestly wonder where you people get all that outrage from.

People living and breathing freedom while spitting on and disrespecting the people defending our country and dieing for it usually brings it out in most.

 

[Mursilis]

How many of the drones spouting "Respect the First Amendment! Respect the First Amendment!" in this thread were up in arms when Congress passed the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (BCRA), suppressing political speech and further entrenching incumbents? Not many, as I remember. Keep getting mesmerized by the sideshows, folks, and ignore the real issues.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Your argument is logically self-defeating. Men and women died to protect our right to burn the flag, so we shouldn't burn the flag. They died so we COULD burn the flag in protest.

No, they didn't they died to protect the lives and freedom of Americans. If they could have had their choice they would have seceded Berkeley to Vietnam long ago...since apparently they support everyone but Americans that are dieing for their country.

That's the dumbest thing I've seen written on here in awhile.

First of all you say they died for the freedom of americans, but not the freedom to burn the flag. Strange. Are there any other freedoms that they didn't like that you know about? How did they feel about the third amendment? Was that one on their list of amendments to die protecting? (also, I don't remember getting a sheet with checkboxes when I signed up asking me which parts of the constitution I was willing to die to protect).

Secondly, you're trying to speak to the preferences of dead people from 40 years ago and how they would have done something bad to the city of Berkeley. That's just really dumb.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Your argument is logically self-defeating. Men and women died to protect our right to burn the flag, so we shouldn't burn the flag. They died so we COULD burn the flag in protest.

No, they didn't they died to protect the lives and freedom of Americans. If they could have had their choice they would have seceded Berkeley to Vietnam long ago...since apparently they support everyone but Americans that are dieing for their country.

That's the dumbest thing I've seen written on here in awhile.

First of all you say they died for the freedom of americans, but not the freedom to burn the flag. Strange. Are there any other freedoms that they didn't like that you know about? How did they feel about the third amendment? Was that one on their list of amendments to die protecting? (also, I don't remember getting a sheet with checkboxes when I signed up asking me which parts of the constitution I was willing to die to protect).

Secondly, you're trying to speak to the preferences of dead people from 40 years ago and how they would have done something bad to the city of Berkeley. That's just really dumb.

Why don't you go onto any military base and start to burn a flag and tell them thank you for giving you this opportunity?

then post back here the results if you make it out of the hospital...