No I'm not. I won't answer/reply to the rest as there is no reason to go past this.
It's up to EVERY individual to determine on their own.
No I'm not. I won't answer/reply to the rest as there is no reason to go past this.
It's up to EVERY individual to determine on their own.
12billion is far from max sustainability. Farming with human labor is the most efficient. There is so much efficiency to squeeze out of the current system. The economy is forcing that right now (much to the dismay of the next political cycle
Honestly at this point all the BS everyone is dealing with on a daily basis working on a farm wouldn't be so bad if you got to live your life out relatively care-free. It used to be the majority of people worked on farms. It'll head back that direction soon.
The only people disillusioned with oil and sustainability are Americans. They have a popular saying over there that goes something like "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel"
Depends on what you're talking about in reference to the "carrying capacity" of Earth. From energy sources (be it fossil fuels and their CO2+other emissions, or "renewables" like solar/wind which require a lot of space mostly in places that are suitable for farming as well), to pollution (mechanized/industrialized nations and societies pollute more, look at China from 30-40 years ago to today), to fresh water sources (the major water sources for the southwest US are drying up, the Colorado doesn't even flow in some places at different times of the year and the ogallala aquifer is estimated to be 1/2 empty) it's reasonable to see that we could be beyond the sustainable carrying capacity of Earth.
12 to 15 billion people on this earth is not sustainable in a fashion that permits a quality of life that I would want for my children and grandchildren. We are already only a drought year or two away from major disruptive food shortages. I would not want my kids to live like ants or bees and fight for survival all of the time. Sure, having a child can be rewarding, but sometimes it is selfish to want that strictly for your own satisfaction. Adapt a stray dog instead.
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Ns1
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OILFIELDTRASH
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Breeders will breed regardless. There is an animal instinct they can't overcome so they breed. No food, temps on the rise, shortage of fossil fuels.. Don't matter. Breed.
No I'm not. I won't answer/reply to the rest as there is no reason to go past this.
It's up to EVERY individual to determine on their own.
Then why bring up the point about "well you won't know until you have kids! Then you'll see how great kids are!" ???
I'd bet that every person in this thread who isn't having kids knows that they *might* be missing something. However, they are intelligent and rational people who can think critically about their lives and don't just "throw caution to the wind" and pop out a kid because of how "great" others say it is to have kids. You seem like you're a person who has a good foundation for being a good parent, but we aren't all you. Some of us have genetic reasons we don't want to/can't have kids, others don't enjoy children, others don't believe they would be a good parent, still others don't want to invest the time and/or money into kids, and others don't want the responsibility.
Enjoy your kids and be a good parent. But please don't fall into the trap of thinking that because you're happy with kids, everybody should be happy with kids and try to "convince" others to join you in having kids.
Ns1
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This country is on the decline. Big time. If you can't look around and see it then shame on you. Do I really need to bring another human into this world when they might not even be able to find a job when they get older? As it is a good majority of people are already without work.
waggy
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/this.
i have worked with DCFS.i have seen the downside of "parents" that just don't care or don't want the kids. It is not worth the gamble to see if you wan't to be a parent.
I agree with this statement and one thing I have over many here is perspective due to my age and experience. I am old enougfh to remember when IKE was running for president and I can clearly see the decline of the USA both in influence and in jobs that pay a living wage. The USA and the world are in serious trouble.
Every minute 250 people are born.
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GasX
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DrunkenSano
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I really shake my head at people who suggest that if you don't have kids, you won't know how awesome it could be if you don't try it out. Having kids is not like owning a product, you can't be like, 'Oh, this is a bad experience, I want to return it.' If you have a kid, the kid is yours through good or the bad, that is why there are so many miserable and poor parents out there. They have to take a second job, work endless hours just to make ends meet or rack up debt.
In today's society, it is harder and harder to make ends meet, it's a reality of things. Taxes are high, expenses are high, time is limited. There are so many dumb parents who continue to rack up credit card debt because they have to pay bills, pay mortgages, pay for living expenses, pay for whatever expenses their children incur, and then also pay for a little bit of happiness with what they want. I for one, until I'm earning a shit ton more money, won't put myself, my significant other, or my child through a crappy paycheck to paycheck life where we have to live meagerly to get by without screwing ourselves into financial doom.
In today's society, it is harder and harder to make ends meet, it's a reality of things. Taxes are high, expenses are high, time is limited. There are so many dumb parents who continue to rack up credit card debt because they have to pay bills, pay mortgages, pay for living expenses, pay for whatever expenses their children incur, and then also pay for a little bit of happiness with what they want. I for one, until I'm earning a shit ton more money, won't put myself, my significant other, or my child through a crappy paycheck to paycheck life where we have to live meagerly to get by without screwing ourselves into financial doom.
heymrdj
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This is sounding better and better by every passing post you make :thumbsup:
As another example, there was a guy on these forums who enjoyed his gf taking a dump on him. Does that mean you should try it too because you might like it? Note, this also doesn't involve the life of another where as a kid does.
See this is why I don't need children. I've already left my legacy. :thumbsup:
Nintendesert
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Yeah, but with your thinking and trash's, it's not your people.
Adapt a puppy for unconditional love and I guarantee that raising a puppy is more fun that having teenage kids in the house! I am thankful that I have neither in the house at this time.
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We are rational realists. Just this year we have had a large drought that has affected the food supply/chain.
Ns1
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Nonsense, once we all go back to farming there will be no problems.
oh wait...
:biggrin::thumbsup:I'm still laughing. I didn't know if you were still around these forums or not as I haven't been on them as much as I used to be.
Those are all potential upsides. There is no guarantee that he will percieve any upsides with a child.
coloumb
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Back in ye old days - it made sense to have a lot of kids to help out around the farm and you'd have a better chance of at least a few making it to adult hood [My Mom's family consisted of 9 siblings with twins who died about a month after being born]. If you didn't live on a famr - 1 parent [typically the female] could easily stay at home and raise johnny and jane while the other parent [typically male] could go to work.
However, it's blood expensive to raise kids in this day and age [at least in USA]. As someone who has a 20 year old from a previous marriage and now a 3 and 5 year old from a long term current relationship - I will probably be the only person who will have gray hair and be walking with a cane when my youngest graduates high school. I literally will be able to retire the same year my youngest graduates high school pending I'm still not in debt.
However, it's blood expensive to raise kids in this day and age [at least in USA]. As someone who has a 20 year old from a previous marriage and now a 3 and 5 year old from a long term current relationship - I will probably be the only person who will have gray hair and be walking with a cane when my youngest graduates high school. I literally will be able to retire the same year my youngest graduates high school pending I'm still not in debt.
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