Not to Open This Canna Worms Again, But...

[Virgorising]

I despise Windows 8. True, I tested it very early on, it made me nauseated, but I am told my judgement is often sound. But, I am not entirely impervious to peer pressure either. I remain open and often delve should there be things I need to learn.

I just came upon below, and it, more than anything so far, speaks my take on W8:


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:05 AM
And here's one reason why it's completely insane to use Windows 8 at all, at least on the PC:

Touch on a PC is about as useful as teats on a boar hog. Actually, less useful. Does Microsoft really expect 100 million CAD/CAM designers, accountants, and other industrial content makers to hold their arms up horizontally all day inaccurately poking smudges on their 42" monitors with their fat fingers, working at 1/100th the speed as before Windows 8 with 1000 times the physical effort, in the mean time destroying their neck and shoulder girdle for life?

Touch is an extremely low bandwidth input method with horrendous inaccuracy and extremely harmful ergonomics when compared to a keyboard and mouse. Touch might be ok for looking up the latest cat video, or tweeting, texting, or talking, but that's about it.

And adding back a Start Button that does not take one to the Start Menu, but instead takes one back to the hated, execrable, productivity-killing, single-window, touchy-feely, flashy-jumpy-blinky, no-taskbar Metro UI is pretty much just deckchair rearranging on a sinking ship

Ballmer's pathetic nonsense of a "refined blend" sounds like it was lifted from a 1970's TV ad for instant coffee crystals or a "premium" motor oil. The "refined blend" of Windows 8.1 is akin to Coke "refining" New Coke by "blending" half original Coke and half New Coke and putting it in new cans and telling their customers that they were "listening" to them!

Microsoft's users can tell the difference between a kick in the teeth and actually being listened to. This "refined blend" is NOT being listened to and it is NOT going to go well at all for Microsoft.

Bottom line? Windows 8.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades of being adopted by the enterprise and SMB on the PC

 

[stinger608]

I agree with you on the original Windows 8!

However, have you had the opportunity to try 8.1? There are a lot of changes to the overall user interface.

 

[Virgorising]

I agree with you on the original Windows 8!

However, have you had the opportunity to try 8.1? There are a lot of changes to the overall user interface.

Hi!

See, for me, it's not just the interface, it's the Faustian capitulation to lame tablet/touchscreen lusting humans UNDERLYING. Plus, I like W7 a lot, and see not one reason to upgrade in the if it ain broke do not fix it sense.

Pls see what I just came upon:

http://reviews.cnet.com/microsoft-windows-8-1/

 

[JackMDS]

So what would we do about the Millions of people (and their numbers are growing by the hour) that Like touch?

When the bases of Penicillin was discovered it was rejected. Millions could be saved if it was early adopted.

Can you imagine life these days without Antibiotic?

That said, Touch screen is no way as important as Penicillin, but the "Strange" reaction of Humans to adopt real New is similar.

 

[Virgorising]

So what would we do about the Millions of people (and their numbers are growing by the hour) that Like touch?

When the bases of Penicillin was discovered it was rejected. Millions could be saved if it was early adopted.

Can you imagine life these days without Antibiotic?

That said, Touch screen is no way as important as Penicillin, but the "Strange" reaction of Humans to adopt real New is similar.

PENICILLIN??? SERIOUSLY? You liken W8.1 to the inception of antibiotics? And NEW IS INHERENTLY BETTER? U mean like when corticosteroids were first introduced and the medical orthodoxy was convinced they were the answer to all it was convinced they were? Forget.....for years and YEARS while blindly loyal patients' immune systems were being destroyed by them?

Not to mention, the overuse of antibiotics has been pivotal in leading to resistant strains of bacteria.

The "millions of" touch screen besotted humans can go right on being besotted by that drivel for lame and malleable infants. Their minions do not comprise the FOUNDATION---THE THINKING, DISCERNING MAJORITY: we humans who use our computers for serious endeavors and know a dog and pony show compromising those endeavors.... when we see one.

Nobody knows if PT Barnum actually said "There's a sucker born every minute," but let's cut slack for the sake of this thread and raise the concept anyhow.

Just found this:

http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/pc-mac/software/operating-systems/windows-8-1-1161745/review

Pls scroll down to the comments in response to Mary's luminous review.

Touch screen on my phone and ebook reader are viable and help. But, on an actual computer?

 

[debian0001]

Just stick to Windows 7 then? That's what I'm doing.

 

[Virgorising]

Just stick to Windows 7 then? That's what I'm doing.

:wub:

 

[bbhaag]

I'm curious what stops you or anyone for that matter from using a mouse and keyboard on Win8 in a desktop/laptop environment? Certainly the "100 million CAD/CAM designers, accountants, and other industrial content makers" aren't doing their work on a tablet.

 

[Virgorising]

I'm curious what stops you or anyone for that matter from using a mouse and keyboard on Win8 in a desktop/laptop environment? Certainly the "100 million CAD/CAM designers, accountants, and other industrial content makers" aren't doing their work on a tablet.

Nothing is stopping anyone.

And that is true and beside the point of W8.

Is the real point.

 

[CRCSUX]

You know you can use win 8/8.1 without a touch screen right?

touch/metro is an extra you don't need to use it.

Its just like a radio, you only want to listen to am? You don't need to go find a 100 year old radio to avoid fm just switch it to am and enjoy.

Win 8.1 is faster and stronger, don't use an inferior product because of a minor problem that only exist in peoples heads.

 

[Virgorising]

You know you can use win 8/8.1 without a touch screen right?

touch/metro is an extra you don't need to use it.

Its just like a radio, you only want to listen to am? You don't need to go find a 100 year old radio to avoid fm just switch it to am and enjoy.

Win 8.1 is faster and stronger, don't use an inferior product because of a minor problem that only exist in peoples heads.

Inferior---in this case, GRATUITOUS and so, inferior---is in the eye of the beholder.

As for faster, not to any significant degree with a decent system.

 

[bbhaag]

Half of that guys rant you copy and pasted above in your OP goes on and on about how a touch interface is useless. The first two paragraphs are about it.

 

[Virgorising]

Half of that guys rant you copy and pasted above in your OP goes on and on about how a touch interface is useless. The first two paragraphs are about it.

I submit, it IS, IN FACT, useless to anyone who uses their computers for serious endeavors.

Someone can be near computer illiterate and use touch screen and tablets, and I will bet, many are.

As for the comments to which you refer, I would not call them a rant, I would call them a keen delineation via someone with a brain.

 

[Imaginer]

Touch on a PC is about as useful as teats on a boar hog. Actually, less useful. Does Microsoft really expect 100 million CAD/CAM designers, accountants, and other industrial content makers to hold their arms up horizontally all day inaccurately poking smudges on their 42" monitors with their fat fingers, working at 1/100th the speed as before Windows 8 with 1000 times the physical effort, in the mean time destroying their neck and shoulder girdle for life?

http://imgur.com/a/im5Hs

Nice to have opinions, but I am not using Windows 8 in that manner, but I am able to do.

 

[bbhaag]

I'm out this thread makes no sense to me.

 

[WilliamM2]

Win 8.1 is faster and stronger, don't use an inferior product because of a minor problem that only exist in peoples heads.

I keep reading that 8 is faster. At what? And is it even noticable on a new computer with an SSD?

I use 7 and 8, and 8 seems slower to me. But it's probably the same, it just takes me longer to get any real work done, since I'm used to 7. The few users that have 8 at work have also had productivity drop. The only reason they have it is because they use laptops, and it's getting hard to find them with 7 installed at a decent price.

 

[Virgorising]

I keep reading that 8 is faster. At what? And is it even noticable on a new computer with an SSD?

I use 7 and 8, and 8 seems slower to me. But it's probably the same, it just takes me longer to get any real work done, since I'm used to 7. The few users that have 8 at work have also had productivity drop. The only reason they have it is because they use laptops, Getting hard to find them with 7 installed at a decent price.

Bingo/Fist bump.()

 

[CRCSUX]

I submit, it IS, IN FACT, useless to anyone who uses their computers for serious endeavors.

Someone can be near computer illiterate and use touch screen and tablets, and I will bet, are.

As for the comments to which you refer, I would not call them a rant, I would call them a keen delineation via someone with a brain.

Because stupid people can use a touch screen therefore win 8.1 is bad?

I use my computer for work (id assume this would count as a serious endeavor?) and my home pc for gaming. They both run faster under win 8.1

If win 8.1 is so bad maybe you can tell us what is wrong with it without saying metro, touch screen or tablet?

 

[Imaginer]

http://imgur.com/a/im5Hs

Nice to have opinions, but I am not using Windows 8 in that manner, but I am able to do.

By the way, I normally use my left hand for touch, only in those pictures, my left is holding the camera.

 

[Virgorising]

Because stupid people can use a touch screen therefore win 8.1 is bad?

No, because not stupid people see touch screen re actual computers (not all electronic devices) as a gratuitous impediment to increase revenue (esp re the deals MS cuts with hardware Mfgs and depends on), and even more, when it is the heart of some new OS.

 

[StinkyPinky]

My god, not this again. In 8.1 you can tell the pc to boot right into the desktop. You don't even need to see the metro. Touch is not required to use Windows 8.1

Sheesh.

 

[Virgorising]

By the way, I normally use my left hand for touch, only in those pictures, my left is holding the camera.

I am very left handed; all my mice are on the left of my KBs and using a special app, I transformed all my cursors into right leaning, left handed ones.

Yes, I get you mean you are right handed but use yr left hand to swipe and pinch and zoom. Hey, it's almost like The Matrix! Or....WOLVERINE!!!!:whiste:

Sorry, tho, touch screen will never ever come close to the accuracy of using a mouse.

I have made custom wallpapers using only MS Paint. Nobody can believe it, cept those who have watched me do it, but no way will I pay $800 for Photoshop. I tell people, yes, U need to see things in yr head as a creative human, but more than that, you just need to be a really good, meticulous MOUSER!!!!

If you are, the sky is the limit using only free MS PAINT.

 

[Virgorising]

My god, not this again. In 8.1 you can tell the pc to boot right into the desktop. You don't even need to see the metro. Touch is not required to use Windows 8.1

Sheesh.

Nobody here ever said touch is required. And, I believe we are raising and debating some important issues. Observing, delving, thinking, learning, discussing are never bad and may be the true dynamic of life. Well, one of them.

 

[Imaginer]

Sorry, tho, touch screen will never ever come close to the accuracy of using a mouse.

You do realize I work touch alongside my trackball to my right. You do realize I have TouchMousePointer as an icon in my taskbar? You do realize I am working on a Surface Pro?

Touch adds options. It doesn't interfere with traditional setups.

 

[ninaholic37]

I'm surprised more OEMs aren't selling laptops with Linux on them, or without an OS at all. This is exactly the time when people are looking for other options! Manufacturers must all be in bed with Microsoft. Before Windows 8, Chromebooks didn't sell well at all, and now they're doing great. I'm thinking Google must have paid Steve Ballmer to make the dumbest looking OS possible and force all Windows laptops to have useless touchscreen for a large sum of money.