Not the ACORN I knew...

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: Genx87

You know what is laughable you quoting Michelle Malkin lmao.

Also the event was co-sponsered with the this list.

The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services - Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE

9 co-sponsers, nice misrepresentation of the facts. But that will happen when you start quoting bomb throwers.

So...are you denying McCain has no ACORN ties or that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: Genx87

You know what is laughable you quoting Michelle Malkin lmao.

Also the event was co-sponsered with the this list.

The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services - Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE

9 co-sponsers, nice misrepresentation of the facts. But that will happen when you start quoting bomb throwers.

So...are you denying McCain has no ACORN ties or that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform?

Trying to fall back on the strategy of equating attending an event co-sponsered by 9 organizations with directly funding one of them?

nice try at deflection by to quote heyheybooboo

FAIL

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[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

ACORN is the biggest much ado about nothing in campaign history. Gotta hand it to republicans though - they do a great job of using harsh criticism to deflect attention from their own much more heinous voter fraud activity.

Deflect...deny...stick head in sand...why do Obama supporters fear the media vetting such associations...if this is truly much ado about nothing, then this story will blow over.

However, voter registration fraud is very much a real issue, ACORN is at the center of it and Obama has ties to the organization.

Well, that's sort of the point: it *is* much to do about nothing. We've gone through this before in previous election cycles. In fact, in 2004, the GOP in conjunction with the DoJ was all over the various US State Attorneys trying to get them to file charges against ACORN. Nothing ever sticks. Ever. The GOP has effectively had 6-8 years of finger pointing against ACORN and that's about the extent of it.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn
:laugh: Come on now - who didn't see this coming? It seems at every turn there is another associate or organization that BHO has to distance himself from and/or suggest they weren't what he thought they were... and still some of you want a person like that to lead our country? An abysmally pathetic judge of character is BHO.

Since some of you still think it isn't "fraud" until someone actually votes....

All your righteous indignation over One man in Ohio? One man that actually voted using multiple registrations? Thousands of questionable registrations by ACORN are being investigated and that they found One scumball has you blowing smoke out of your orifices. Calling you the biggest tool on the internet would not come close!:frown:

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: andy04
Distance himself... yeah right... its just another ass saving move from him just like distancing himself from his pastor. guess what, he is going to get right back with them once the race is over. This is a guy who was half black and full Muslim at birth, was brought up by full white Christians, still somehow he felt an urge to go back to his "black roots" and started studying MLK :Q... well why was he not curious about Islam ????
He is an opportunist SOB his being in the legal profession should be a reason enough to know about his character - remember John Edward? I mean only people who are a disgrace to humanity can be a lawyer.
You think a swine like him will really disassociate himself with any such thing???

Your stereotypical Palin/McCain supporter:laugh:

Socialist! Terrorist! Kill him! :laugh:

Ever head of a plant? Democrats are well known for doing this. Ask Tammy Bruce.

In any case, Terorist and kill him are out of line comments. Show me one republican who agrees with this.

Talk about a reach... anyone else getting sick of these constant "suggestions" and "associations" while demonstrating no proof whatsoever?

As Corbett loves to say: Proof? Links?

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: Genx87
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Trying to fall back on the strategy of equating attending an event co-sponsered by 9 organizations with directly funding one of them?

nice try at deflection by to quote heyheybooboo

FAIL

P.S. Did you sign up for Michelles newsletter or premium access?

Whatever, you know what else "FAILS" is this "guilt by association" crap the GOP is spewing for an un-realistic limitus test for a politician. If we were to scrutinize all the "associations" of organizations politicans have had dealing with, NO, I mean NO politican would pass that test. McCains involvement in Keating 5 was so minimal it is not worth mentioning and shouldn't matter. But the GOP was stupid enough to allow the Dems. to use it by bringing up these stupid associations.

Republicans' standard reflexive lies have become so brazen, so transparently ludicrous, that even the gutless sycophants in the establishment media (Michelle Malkin) can't avoid ridiculing their egregious stupidity.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed

Originally posted by: Genx87
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Trying to fall back on the strategy of equating attending an event co-sponsered by 9 organizations with directly funding one of them?

nice try at deflection by to quote heyheybooboo

FAIL

P.S. Did you sign up for Michelles newsletter or premium access?

Whatever, you know what else "FAILS" is this "guilt by association" crap the GOP is spewing for an un-realistic limitus test for a politician. If we were to scrutinize all the "associations" of organizations politicans have had dealing with, NO, I mean NO politican would pass that test. McCains involvement in Keating 5 was so minimal it is not worth mentioning and shouldn't matter. But the GOP was stupid enough to allow the Dems. to use it by bringing up these stupid associations.

Republicans' standard reflexive lies have become so brazen, so transparently ludicrous, that even the gutless sycophants in the establishment media (Michelle Malkin) can't avoid ridiculing their egregious stupidity.

Ha time for some tissues I see. When you run home are you going to take the ball with you?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: andy04
Distance himself... yeah right... its just another ass saving move from him just like distancing himself from his pastor. guess what, he is going to get right back with them once the race is over. This is a guy who was half black and full Muslim at birth, was brought up by full white Christians, still somehow he felt an urge to go back to his "black roots" and started studying MLK :Q... well why was he not curious about Islam ????
He is an opportunist SOB his being in the legal profession should be a reason enough to know about his character - remember John Edward? I mean only people who are a disgrace to humanity can be a lawyer.
You think a swine like him will really disassociate himself with any such thing???

Your stereotypical Palin/McCain supporter:laugh:

Socialist! Terrorist! Kill him! :laugh:

Ever head of a plant? Democrats are well known for doing this. Ask Tammy Bruce.

In any case, Terorist and kill him are out of line comments. Show me one republican who agrees with this.

Plants? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :laugh::laugh:

 

[OrByte]

ACORN is for the GOP what DIEBOLD is for Dems.

big whoopdeedoo.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So it would seem that the convictions you refer to are most likely the result of individuals who couldn't follow the rules and got busted with the full cooperation of ACORN.

And it would appear to me that ACORN management didnt get it... they werent able to figure out that their minions were breaking the law, despite COOPERATING with agencies... and didnt fix the problem?? News articles in the last few DAYS show that ACORN fraud is worse than before. At BEST case, they are being grossly neglegent in the management of their people. That is the happy sunshine side of things. Personally, I think it is condoned through a lack of control and a blind eye to the situation. Sure, they gotta throw them under the bus when they get caught, but until they get caught, hey, all is well.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn
:laugh: Come on now - who didn't see this coming? It seems at every turn there is another associate or organization that BHO has to distance himself from and/or suggest they weren't what he thought they were... and still some of you want a person like that to lead our country? An abysmally pathetic judge of character is BHO.

Since some of you still think it isn't "fraud" until someone actually votes....

Compared to a Man who can't even run a Campaign?

So you prefer corruption and illegal tactics over incompetence? Well, you toe the party line well anyways you dirty little criminal you.

Why settle for one or the other when you can have both with GWB?

 

[Lemon law]

Any voter registration organization often falls victim to personally corrupt employees. But if we are going to look at the overall acorn record, we must look at the number of legitimately acorn voter registrations and compare them to the number of registrations acorn should have refused.

Otherwise, what we have is molehill inflation and nothing more. And if anyone is tampering with our right to vote, they should be vigorously prosecuted if they are knowingly being a party to fraud.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn
:laugh: Come on now - who didn't see this coming? It seems at every turn there is another associate or organization that BHO has to distance himself from and/or suggest they weren't what he thought they were... and still some of you want a person like that to lead our country? An abysmally pathetic judge of character is BHO.

Since some of you still think it isn't "fraud" until someone actually votes....

Compared to a Man who can't even run a Campaign?

So you prefer corruption and illegal tactics over incompetence? Well, you toe the party line well anyways you dirty little criminal you.

Why settle for one or the other when you can have both with GWB?

Well, GWB didnt want to run for Pres again so......

 

[Ballatician]

Someone explain to me how those fake voter registrations will actually affect the election? It's not like a non-existent person can actually cast a ballot.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Genx87
The wiki page has been edited and it now locked. It used to list the people who were charged and convicted of fraud.

Now all it states is

Investigations that have not resulted in charges or are still pending have been conducted in St. Louis, Missouri in 2006;[31][32] Lake County, Indiana[33] and Cuyahoga County, Ohio[34][35] in 2008; in Michigan in 2008;[36] in Nevada in 2008;[37][38] in Missouri in 2008.[39] Investigations resulting in charges or convictions of ACORN voter-registration employees occurred in 2004 in Ohio;[40][41] in 2005 in Colorado;[42] in 2006 in Kansas City, Missouri;[43] in 2007 in Washington state.[44] In the Washington case, ACORN agreed to pay King County $25 000 for its investigative costs and acknowledged that the national organization could be subject to criminal prosecution if fraud occurs again. According to King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg, the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."

I can't help noticing that it states, "Investigations that have not resulted in charges or are still pending ..." And then at the end, "...the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."

So it sounds to me as if the alleged voter registration fraud was committed against ACORN not by it. Meaning, the paid workers probably submitted fraudulent registrations in order to boost their pay ... or for some reason unrelated to influencing the outcome of the elections. Is that correct?

Isn't this what most people have been saying all along?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Someone explain to me how those fake voter registrations will actually affect the election? It's not like a non-existent person can actually cast a ballot.

Never heard of Chicago, have you?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So it would seem that the convictions you refer to are most likely the result of individuals who couldn't follow the rules and got busted with the full cooperation of ACORN.

And it would appear to me that ACORN management didnt get it... they werent able to figure out that their minions were breaking the law, despite COOPERATING with agencies... and didnt fix the problem?? News articles in the last few DAYS show that ACORN fraud is worse than before. At BEST case, they are being grossly neglegent in the management of their people. That is the happy sunshine side of things. Personally, I think it is condoned through a lack of control and a blind eye to the situation. Sure, they gotta throw them under the bus when they get caught, but until they get caught, hey, all is well.

Well, one could imagine with the volume of voter apps and workers needed to gather those apps, ACORN likely has an ongoing problem.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: andy04
Distance himself... yeah right... its just another ass saving move from him just like distancing himself from his pastor. guess what, he is going to get right back with them once the race is over. This is a guy who was half black and full Muslim at birth, was brought up by full white Christians, still somehow he felt an urge to go back to his "black roots" and started studying MLK :Q... well why was he not curious about Islam ????
He is an opportunist SOB his being in the legal profession should be a reason enough to know about his character - remember John Edward? I mean only people who are a disgrace to humanity can be a lawyer.
You think a swine like him will really disassociate himself with any such thing???

Your stereotypical Palin/McCain supporter:laugh:

Socialist! Terrorist! Kill him! :laugh:

Ever head of a plant? Democrats are well known for doing this. Ask Tammy Bruce.

In any case, Terorist and kill him are out of line comments. Show me one republican who agrees with this.

Of course some could be plants but did you see the video of people going into a Palin appearance? It wasn't 1 or 2 or 3 people who thought him a terrorist. It was everyone they interviewed.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Someone explain to me how those fake voter registrations will actually affect the election? It's not like a non-existent person can actually cast a ballot.

The vast majority of these fake voter registrations never get a ballot to cast anyway. Elections officials tend to do pretty good due diligence in cleaning out the voter rolls. If they didn't, we wouldn't even know about this issue, now would we?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Someone explain to me how those fake voter registrations will actually affect the election? It's not like a non-existent person can actually cast a ballot.

Never heard of Chicago, have you?

It's not like this is 1960 and Illinois is a battleground state.

 

[Ballatician]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Someone explain to me how those fake voter registrations will actually affect the election? It's not like a non-existent person can actually cast a ballot.

The vast majority of these fake voter registrations never get a ballot to cast anyway. Elections officials tend to do pretty good due diligence in cleaning out the voter rolls. If they didn't, we wouldn't even know about this issue, now would we?

Which is why this topic is useless.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Ballatician

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Someone explain to me how those fake voter registrations will actually affect the election? It's not like a non-existent person can actually cast a ballot.

The vast majority of these fake voter registrations never get a ballot to cast anyway. Elections officials tend to do pretty good due diligence in cleaning out the voter rolls. If they didn't, we wouldn't even know about this issue, now would we?

Which is why this topic is useless.

Yeah, discussing and pointing out voter fraud is "useless". :roll:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Ballatician

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Someone explain to me how those fake voter registrations will actually affect the election? It's not like a non-existent person can actually cast a ballot.

The vast majority of these fake voter registrations never get a ballot to cast anyway. Elections officials tend to do pretty good due diligence in cleaning out the voter rolls. If they didn't, we wouldn't even know about this issue, now would we?

Which is why this topic is useless.

Yep, it's tenfold harder to fraudently vote vice the 60's when they could just fill a van full of people and district jump. I think some of the people here are grasping at straws regarding ACORN, it's a non-issue.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Yeah, discussing and pointing out voter fraud is "useless". :roll:

OK you are right.

It is about as useful as discussing Diebold voting fraud.

it just depends on which party wants to do the "discussing"

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So it would seem that the convictions you refer to are most likely the result of individuals who couldn't follow the rules and got busted with the full cooperation of ACORN.

And it would appear to me that ACORN management didnt get it... they werent able to figure out that their minions were breaking the law, despite COOPERATING with agencies... and didnt fix the problem?? News articles in the last few DAYS show that ACORN fraud is worse than before. At BEST case, they are being grossly neglegent in the management of their people. That is the happy sunshine side of things. Personally, I think it is condoned through a lack of control and a blind eye to the situation. Sure, they gotta throw them under the bus when they get caught, but until they get caught, hey, all is well.

Well, one could imagine with the volume of voter apps and workers needed to gather those apps, ACORN likely has an ongoing problem.

Well, when you create the volume by registering the same person 72 times, Mickey Mouse, the front line for the Dallas Cowboys... I guess the point is that the volume they do is largely dictated by how crooked they decide to be. Either way, adequate controls or ethics are NOT in place, and ACORN should not be allowed to register anyone. Personally, if you dont have the personal motivation to go register on your own, why should my tax dollars pay for someone to coddle your lazy ass?