retrospooty
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Obama's economic advisors are mainly all of Clinton's economic advisors - remebert htose years, when we had respect and prosperity? McCains entire campaign is full of these lobbyists, almost every one of them is a lobbyist. when you compare the 2, there is a clear choice on which one is more corrupt - McCain. HE also had a personal hand in the Keating 5 fiasco - not through an aquaintance, a PERSONAL hand.
Past? Did they resign from his campaign? Past association? They were ADVISORS.
Be in the tank all you want. I dont really expect to change your mind... but damn... at least be honest about it.
You know after reading up on this, this sounds more and more like a whole lot of GOP hot air and very little substance. From Jake Tapper over at ABC News:
Seems like the chronology of the events has been severely skewed not to mention the actual connections between Obama and ACORN. And to go even further, what does Obama's work with ACORN in the past have to do with voter registration (alleged) fraud now? Back here in reality, it seems like McCain has had more recent contact/support from ACORN than Obama has.
Seems like the chronology of the events has been severely skewed not to mention the actual connections between Obama and ACORN. And to go even further, what does Obama's work with ACORN in the past have to do with voter registration (alleged) fraud now? Back here in reality, it seems like McCain has had more recent contact/support from ACORN than Obama has.
First off, the second link was put in there because people like you dismiss issues like ACORN and same day registration(without ID) fraud.
Second, yes, obviously ACORN is going to deny it's institutional. They have for a long time yet here we are with systemic fraud... keep hoping and believing...:roll:
third, sure BHO's camp is going to attempt to downplay his involvement when they are hello.... DISTANCING themselves from that fraudulent organization. Sheesh. You obviously don't know much about your candidate if you don't know of his involvement with ACORN. I suggest you actually look into it before coming in here yapping...
But then again, am I really that surprised that a BHO apologist got his panties in a bunch like you did? nah... It's par for the course...
Uh huh... and the prosecutor recommended dropping the case against him because he was SO implicit in it.
Scratch that... I dont give a shit about McCain, and I have no interest in defending him. I dislike him just a bit less than Obama.
Wasnt the original point of this thread... ACORN sucks.
Only you BHO fluffers are stuffing that strawman.... I haven't heard anyone suggest BHO was responsible for their activity.
Red Dawn
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To be honest I don't know of any economic experts that I trust at this moment.
I'm not voting for Obama, I voting against Republicans, I've stated that before. Do I think Obama will cure our ills? No, I just think he won't screw things up as bad as McCain and Palin will.
I wish Thomas Jefferson was running against the Republicans but you know that instead of you guys making a big deal out of Ayers and Wright you'd be going after him for having an illegitimate back child, that's just how your type are.
Obama paid ACORN $800k this year to "get out the vote." THIS YEAR. Not in 1995.
EDIT: And he lied about it to the FEC. "Staging, lighting, and sound." Right.
Try again.
SP33Demon
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OMG, 1 person out of the 1.3 million that ACORN registered was "trying" to vote fraudulently. Are you kidding me? Do you really think this is national news? Hell, for all we know, YOU filled out 10 applications for Starbucks and put ACORN's name down on the apps. There is no quality control on WHO is mailing in the application. The sooner you morons realize this, the faster you can move on with your life instead of bickering about this dumb sht. Quick poll, how many of you who CARE about ACORN also read news about Lohan, Paris, and Britney? Curious.
You dont sound like that... you know that right? I am more in agreement with your position than not, but when you post, you REALLY sound like you are a Obamabot.
I'm with you. Burn them all to the ground. Start over.
I dont know that I have any economists that I trust either, which is why I am burying my savings in precious metals in several undisclosed locations... but I am pretty sure the LAST people I would have as economic advisors is ANYONE linked to Fannie/Freddie... let alone the CEO's. That's like getting Hannibal Lecter to run the lunchroom at the local high school.
No it isnt... I just like the analogy
The McCain campaign is certainly making that suggestion. They even take it a step further and publically wonder whether Obama trained ACORN to evade the law. It's pretty clear to me what this effort is about.
Regardless, has ACORN ever had any charges leveled against it? Has there been any legal action against it over this alleged voter registration fraud? It seems to me that if ACORN has truly had the sort of fraud running rampant that you like to insinutate that it does, that the GOP would have some sort of actionable evidence, right? Anything?
The wiki page has been edited and it now locked. It used to list the people who were charged and convicted of fraud.
Now all it states is
I can't help noticing that it states, "Investigations that have not resulted in charges or are still pending ..." And then at the end, "...the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."
So it sounds to me as if the alleged voter registration fraud was committed against ACORN not by it. Meaning, the paid workers probably submitted fraudulent registrations in order to boost their pay ... or for some reason unrelated to influencing the outcome of the elections. Is that correct?
I dont know they changed the listing. It showed how many were convicted and why. The list was maybe 10 deep. Either way the smell of shit has been brewing around that organization for at least 4 years. Probably longer if we really wanted to look back. I find it hard to believe a constant stream of these things are coming from the same organization yet it is rogue individuals. If the police dept had a string of beatings from dozens of their officers. Would you think the officers were rogue or it was institutionalized?
Ever head of a plant? Democrats are well known for doing this. Ask Tammy Bruce.
In any case, Terorist and kill him are out of line comments. Show me one republican who agrees with this.
This ACORN thing is laughable...
John McCain has his own ACORN assosiation. McCain camp?s call for an investigation of ties between the group and the Obama campaign was the last straw, because on Monday ACORN started reminding people that as recently as March 2006 McCain himself appeared at an event the group sponsored. At the time, the Republican nominee was still campaigning for the immigration reform deal that nearly killed his presidential hopes.
Michelle Malkin, who is, unsurprisingly, angry about the connection - has a press release promoting the event.
OK, last week the talking point was "ACORN is a commie islamic terrorist outfit that is going to deliver the presidency to Obama and make us all pray to Mecca five times a day.
"
What is it today? The above line can't survive the fact that McCain spoke at one of their rallies.
This is "gotcha" moment eleventy-hundred and seventeen on the McCain campaign, but it really doesn't matter.
They will claim that (a) it's not true; (b) Obama has done more with ACORN than McCain has - McCain was just there to be nice; and (c) it doesn't matter anyway.
See, the thing about mud-slinging is that the mud usually doesn't need to stick, it just has to make one wonder about the character of the target. The Repubs don't really care what happened with ACORN, they just want people to think that Obama is untrustworthy. Now that this is out, they'll refute it and them move on to the next mud-pie. After a day or two, ACORN will be forgotten but the base will still beleive that Obama is trying to steal the election.
Again laughable...
John McCain has his own ACORN assosiation. McCain camp?s call for an investigation of ties between the group and the Obama campaign was the last straw, because on Monday ACORN started reminding people that as recently as March 2006 McCain himself appeared at an event the group sponsored. At the time, the Republican nominee was still campaigning for the immigration reform deal that nearly killed his presidential hopes.
Michelle Malkin, who is, unsurprisingly, angry about the connection - has a press release promoting the event.
OK, last week the talking point was "ACORN is a commie islamic terrorist outfit that is going to deliver the presidency to Obama and make us all pray to Mecca five times a day.
"
What is it today? The above line can't survive the fact that McCain spoke at one of their rallies.
This is "gotcha" moment eleventy-hundred and seventeen on the McCain campaign, but it really doesn't matter.
They will claim that (a) it's not true; (b) Obama has done more with ACORN than McCain has - McCain was just there to be nice; and (c) it doesn't matter anyway.
See, the thing about mud-slinging is that the mud usually doesn't need to stick, it just has to make one wonder about the character of the target. The Repubs don't really care what happened with ACORN, they just want people to think that Obama is untrustworthy. Now that this is out, they'll refute it and them move on to the next mud-pie. After a day or two, ACORN will be forgotten but the base will still beleive that Obama is trying to steal the election.
Again laughable...
I don't know, but when you pay people to go collect voter registrations and they are incentivized in some way or another to collect the most possible registrations they can, there's going to be some abuse inherent in doing these sort of voter registration drives. Remember, these are low-to-no-income individuals . . . I can imagine some of the dumbshits sitting around filling out the registrations themselves. Which sounds more or less what has occurred in the cases I've looked into.
Furthermore, it seems that ACORN has been running up against this ongoing issue where they are required to turn in ALL completed voter applications, even the ones their internal controls have deemed to be a problem or even to be deemed fraudulent. So they flag these apps and then are accused later of turning in supposedly fraudulent apps even when ACORN themselves have flagged them as a problem.
According to ACORN, no criminal charges related to voter registration have ever been brought against ACORN or partner organizations. Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with their full cooperation, using the evidence obtained through ACORN's quality control and verification processes - evidence which in most cases they called to the attention of authorities
So it would seem that the convictions you refer to are most likely the result of individuals who couldn't follow the rules and got busted with the full cooperation of ACORN.
You know what is laughable you quoting Michelle Malkin lmao.
Also the event was co-sponsered with the this list.
9 co-sponsers, nice misrepresentation of the facts. But that will happen when you start quoting bomb throwers.
Starbuck1975
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Deflect...deny...stick head in sand...why do Obama supporters fear the media vetting such associations...if this is truly much ado about nothing, then this story will blow over.
However, voter registration fraud is very much a real issue, ACORN is at the center of it and Obama has ties to the organization.
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