Steeplerot
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- Mar 29, 2004
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You yet again assume that I think medicare is constitutional. Yes, it's institutional but when looked at in a strict constructionist way, it most certainly is not.
Also, there is another difference you fringe leftists seem to ignore - and that is the individual forced payment to a company by the feds in the house bill. Never before has there been an individual mandate like this so it's asinine for you to think that "this is easily so"(constitutional).
We'll certainly see won't we? It will be viewed as a tax, and that will be the end of it. It's not that conservatives won't try, but they will fail.
Oh, and good luck on getting Medicare ruled unconstitutional too. Even a court this far to the right would laugh you out of it.
Are you saying they dont?
We have the most advanced medical staff/hospitals in the world. The problem is that our averages are brought down by the bottom of society.
We dont have the resources to provide that level of care to everyone, so we rank lower in international surveys.
We will never be a nordic Eutopia like some here think can happen. We share a border with an extremely poor country, and encourage the uneducated to migrate here.
I think it is about time we change it to "Give us your smart, your wealthy..."
Kind of funny considering you seem to be a thumper yourself. Without any evidence at all that this would be a benefit here in the US (no you may not use pixie dust or magic missile spells to import such a system) you get up on the platform and preach your particular faith, and intend to use the weight of the law to get it.
The Church of the Single Payor.
We need to keep religion out of government.
Is this the anti-Christ of the Church of the Trust-the-Insurance-Companies-to-do-the-Right-Thing Because Free Markets are Always Wonderful?
We need to keep religion out of the health system.
Are you saying they dont?
FYI, a lot of Americans go to other countries for healthcare. There are hospitals that are run like resorts, where the patients feel like they are on vacation. I was reading about it in a medical magazine while I was in for a physical one time a couple years ago. It was an article about the growing trend of Americans travelling to other countries for healthcare.
And alot of people come to the USA for healthcare. Whats your point??
FYI, a lot of Americans go to other countries for healthcare. There are hospitals that are run like resorts, where the patients feel like they are on vacation. I was reading about it in a medical magazine while I was in for a physical one time a couple years ago. It was an article about the growing trend of Americans travelling to other countries for healthcare.
Really? What country is that?
I wish I could teach you the ABCs of the world, but I honestly dont have time.
For quality or price?
A lot of rich people in other countries also come to US for treatment, why is that?
It's too bad our congressmen won't just drop this charade and advocate something that has actually been proven to work--real single player socialized medicine--like what the UK has. Amazingly, they do it while spending a smaller percentage of GDP on it.
Instead, the United States will continue with its current system and continue to have mass suffering and be the laughing stock of the rest of the world.
Did you not read the article?
"President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance."
and
"Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and dont pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine theres a threat as with a lot of tax fines of jail time. The Senate removed that provision in the Senate Finance Committee."
There's no such thing as job creation, and there's no such thing as "Free Health Care".
There is such a thing as imposed health care. This will create shortages and higher prices. This is economics. There is mounds of historical precidence, but no one cares about that, or they weren't taught it, in the biggest example of historical precidence, the public school system.
I cannot sing of liberty in a country with such notions of force, both domestically and internationally, both socially and financially.
Because those people who do can afford it unlike most Americans.How come people keep coming to the United States to get the best medical care in the world?
Except of course for the precedent of every single other industrialized nation on earth, all of which have 'imposed health care' along with vastly lower costs.
Except of course for the precedent of every single other industrialized nation on earth, all of which have 'imposed health care' along with vastly lower costs.
The insurance took like $25 off, like I said fucking useless considering how much a month I pay.
Those are rose-colored glasses, if I've ever seen them. Please cite your source. I'd like you to include the consumer cost at the window, the consumer cost monthly for the service/insurance, and the tax per capita for the medical services section of the nations budget, added together and presented to this thread before you can make a claim like that.
Also, your precident is true, there are many other nations that have "imposed health care", but that isnt the precident I was refering to. I was refering to the economic precident of government involvement equating to increased costs.
Your precident also doesn't address the reduction of liberty caused by such endeavors.
yes they have lower cost at the taxpayers expense.