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Syrex

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After reading dcdomain's post
CMU Lambdas which I got way before the Anandtech effect took place (bought it during the first deal that was announced on Techbargains) is still up and pulling strong, and I've NEVER had any problems with it.
got me thinking "No fair how come i'm hosted on the wrong server?"
Well diggin into it a little deeper, i noticed the the working sites DNS were set to xx.ournamserver.com (so is cwstatus.com) where mine was set to xx.groupns.com.
Well telling you guys this might get your accounts setup again, or it might get them to shut down my account faster :( but anyway. I remembered getting 2 welcome account setup emails. At the time i thought they were the same one. Looking back on it yesterday, i noticed that they were for different IP's and DNS. Heres the link to the other plesk server, see if you can log in (everything is resetted like original because its a different server), if so just change your DNS settings and wait for it to propogate.
Plesk
My guess is that it won't last long though due to the AT effect. goodluck
 

Aceman

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Wofgang,
Please send me the coordinates that you are at right now. I'd be happy to deliver to you a gallon jug to replace out that tablespoon Shawn gave you to help bail him out. I think the waters coming into the ship faster than you can bail it out. ;)
 

clarkmo

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Originally posted by: Aceman
Wofgang,
Please send me the coordinates that you are at right now. I'd be happy to deliver to you a gallon jug to replace out that tablespoon Shawn gave you to help bail him out. I think the waters coming into the ship faster than you can bail it out. ;)

I agree. He is working way too hard at this. While providing an entertaining repartee I think it is time to announce yourself Wolfgang. Come out of the closet, as it were. Nobody works this hard for free. Is there a statute of limitations or something. Wolfgang, you appear to be attempting to delay people from taking action to protect their interests. And you are putting up the good fight, lasting round after round. Is it just chivalry? Maybe it's time to pick up your cloak and let Shawn splash into the mudhole.
 

Wolfgang

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Aceman,

If it turns out that philmacrevis's thoughtful questions have no answers and there are indeed no servers at all, or if it turns out LS hasn't been putting any obstacles in the way of Cyberwings' getting it's business done but it's instead mental illness at CW ;), then I will gladly accept.

But I don't think either of those things is likely just yet. :)

Still, score 5 points today for CW critics: 3 for CW's Maine/VA servers not being up yet; 1 for cwstatus.com being down (for several hours), and 1 [or 2?] for the limberger cheese.... I don't think those points by any means give the critics the game or match, however. But today, announcements aside, was not a good day for CW. (If, as zero critics do, you think Shawn will substantially back up his announcements today, then it will seem an extraordinarily good day for Cyberwings' customers.)

As always, time will tell. (This thread certainly won't. :eek:)

Wolfgang
 

Hector13

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Originally posted by: Wolfgang
And lest anyone make the tragic error of thinking (based on MontyBurns' comments) that I'm a Cyberwings shill,
Give it up wolfgang. If you don't work for CW (or are not CEO dumbass himself) then you are doing a pertty damn good job of convincing everyone you do.

WIthout out providing one iota of reasoning or proof you have gone on to defend CEO moron in every single post you have made:

let me just say this: 90% of the intellectually deficient postings on this thread have been anti-CW; my corrective therefore has been pro-CW.
Could this possibly be becuse 90% of the posters in this thread are smart enough to notice whats going on? Thus only 10% of the posts (probably all yours) are pro-CW.

It'd be very interesting to know why Shawn was confident it would. Could be anything from reckless brashness [see notes on hype, above], to incorrect legal advice, to LS deception and disinformation
Could it be because he is a lying (or atleast incompetent) jackass? hmmm...

Presumably his counsel gave him that advice, and he was very confident of it. But counsel was wrong, it seems

Right, persumably it wasn't CW's fault.

I agree he's shotten himself in the foot (or perhaps more accurately, Lightship did--aiming for the head once the intent to, uh, jump ship became clear).


There are quite a few more but I am too lazy to cut and paste.
 

Wolfgang

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Clarkmo,

You're absolute right I shouldn't be spending this much time on it. It's more interesting, true, than what I should be spending time on, and I hate to see dumb statements prevail, but those aren't good reasons to spend over an hour on this stuff a day--just a too-human excuse. But I do hate either letting this stuff slide, OR responding in a 1/4-ass way that typifies most comments here. (Let me be charitable: 2/5-ass.)

And no, I'm not trying to delay action on people's getting refunds or something. Look: most people bought this stuff in June. That means maybe it will be on their July statements. After they get those statements, they have, what 45 or 90 days to challenge? (I forget which.) That's August at the earliest. And if they have a good relationship with the CC company, they may get an extension even from that. (I have before--but don't plan on it..) So, folks, you've nothing to lose (except a great deal should CW pull through, as I think, but freely admit--unlike most critics--that I could be wrong) by asking for a refund from CW, and keeping your CC statements until you get it, filing within the dispute time window if you don't (or if you're not then sure). In fact, if you want a refund, AFTER using the CW refund process mentioned earlier in this thread, then just call the CC co. and ask for a dispute form, too, regardless--just to be safe.

No worries.
 

Brasscat

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Looking back - I did combine a series of Questions for an Answer...

To set the record straight (and to continue this thread for no other reason as to figure out how many messages this system can hold before it blows) -- here's the Real Q and the Real A.:

REAL Q: "Why did you wait so long to announce it?" [*it = the fact that the server move wasn't happening"]

REAL A: "Look folks, we have a choice. We can wallow in this position we are in or we can bust out of this and move on - it's my choice to move on. Anyone who does not wish to stay, so be it, but we have put together a VERY fair compensation plan with 3-6 months of free hosting for everyone, large amounts of free bandwidth/space, and free upgrades, etc."

* = I added this explaination to elaborate what "IT" is. This is my interpretation of the q&a session you can see here.

But my real (and serious) question is to Wolfgang...

REAL Q: "Why are you defending CEO-Shawn/Cyberwings? Do you really think he is a victim of circumstance? Do you really think he doesn't have cash-flow problems? Do you really think he's going to be around in 6 months. And finally, if you think he'll be around in six months, WHY? What evidence of Shawn's business acumen/strategy/etc do you believe in?"

Wolfgang, I'm not attacking you, believe me. I really want to know what you're thinking -- 'cause maybe I'm seeing this all wrong.
 

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www.alirazeghi.com
i dont want to cry wolf here, but it seems awefully convienent to get hacked after trying to move, then buying other servers than what you were planning for after you moved and so far. Even if he isn't rying to scam everyone (we'll see withen a few days), it's still highly unprofessional. How could he afford all this stuff with these cheap ass accounts?? Is someone just giving him terabytes of bandwith away for free??
 

KAMAZON

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Originally posted by: BlueTDimly
Thanks for the webulex info, anyone else? Really I am mostly interested in my mail account being hosted.

I would recommend speaking with Ace at Webulex, you can speak to the owner by just calling their toll free number, or just Email them. I like it when I can speak to the owner if I want without hassle, plus they cut me a special deal and I'm sure they can help you out with a deal if all you want is just your Email to be hosted.
 

MontyBurns

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Kwad: Have you received any messages lately from CEO??? I'm sure there's a simple explanation for this entire "misunderstanding."
 

Wolfgang

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Brasscat,

But my real (and serious) question is to Wolfgang...

REAL Q: "Why are you defending CEO-Shawn/Cyberwings? Do you really think he is a victim of circumstance? Do you really think he doesn't have cash-flow problems? Do you really think he's going to be around in 6 months. And finally, if you think he'll be around in six months, WHY? What evidence of Shawn's business acumen/strategy/etc do you believe in?"

Wolfgang, I'm not attacking you, believe me. I really want to know what you're thinking -- 'cause maybe I'm seeing this all wrong.

Thank you for your thoughtful and polite response!! Either of those things is rare--the combination is a real treat.

To be quick about it: (1) Yes, I think Shawn and CW are in large part victim of circumstances (sudden, recurring, bizarre tech problems), but that's not saying he/it handled the situation the best way--time will tell (did the problems really have to spiral out of control like this??). (2) I don't think he has serious cash flow problems now, though I don't think he wants to pay LS a single penny ever again. (3) Yes, he and CW will be around in 6 months, I think. (Not claiming certainty here--but this is my opinion, and others who have known Shawn far longer are more confident.) This is not so much because of brilliant business acumen--that is a work in progress, I believe, and the progress doesn't seem as rapid as one would wish, based on the recent track record--but because of his willingness to sink in a lot of cash to keep it going until the problems get resolved and things become operationally stable and eventually profitable. (Check out the new monthly prices, e.g.--still very aggressive, but also more reasonable. A big step forward, IMHO.) Shawn is not the brightest star in the galaxy; but intellect is only one component in success, and he's certainly no dullard either.

Really, I'm thinking about the same thing I was thinking 5 1/2 days ago, though actually more optimistically than at that precise point, which was my moment of greatest doubt about CW (though this excerpt below won't make that clear). Yes, Shawn is in part of a victim of circumstance--I think he means well, and he can do well, but he's gotten some very bad luck AND (to be blunt) his mouth gets him into trouble via hype and impulsiveness (hype is often harmless during good times, but really backfires during bad).

And it may be that LS was right all along that all the tech problems leading to the suspension of payments and talk of moving was CW's fault entirely--though that's not the way it seems right now. A number of people traced the recurring, show-stopping problems to LS's routers, before the packets even hit CW servers; but obviously, LS didn't and doesn't think it's at all at fault, and I'm neither expert nor knowledgable enough to resolve that.

This, BTW, seems to me the greatest conceivable weakness in CW's case: it's very conceivable that it was wrong and LS right about the tech issues, thereby rendering CW's cancellation of the contract objectively unjustified, even if still in good faith (i.e., CW didn't know it was unjustified). I think if CW's critics were thiking more clearly, that is what they'd be harping on. And I imagine they will, after this post spells it out for them. (With a suitable delay to avoid looking obvious.) But right or wrong, that may be water under the bridge, especially since CW will plow ahead even with LS in control of its Maine servers and their data.

But here's exactly what I wrote 5 1/2 days ago, explaining this to MontyBurns (back when I thought it was worth trying). Not much has changed in that time (for worse or for better). (BTW, I hope and presume that my frequent cautions are as obvious to you as they are hidden to most. It's a strange thing when one feels one is writing clearly, yet others thoroughly and effortlessly misconstrue it.)

I have three controversial premises: (1) Shawn is basically honest, in just the sense that it's not his character to just flat out lie to people. According to some who have known him a lot longer than I, he is impulsive and hyperbolic (and too often takes attacks on CW personally, and one man's salesmanlike hyperbole is another man's total BS), but NOT a con man. (There's another sense of "trustworthy" meaning something like "reliable and competent"--that's at best unclear right now.) (2) CW did indeed deliver the goods very well up until this last month, up until the last 2 weeks, basically. (3) Shawn has said that he's already put around $120k in to CW, and is willing to put in more in the near future. He's said repeatedly that CW has some problems right now, but cash flow isn't one of them. MAYBE this is just a flat-out lie, despite (1); but MAYBE it's not, too.

Granting these three premises, the third of which obviously seems the most dangerous, and also assuming the technical problems will be corrected in the move to the new DC in northern VA (whenever such a move happens--the fact that it hasn't already, with (and this disturbs me) no explanation, lends some credibility to the note allegedly from a LS employee saying that LS would not let CW move until LS gets what it thinks it's owed financially), then CW will be operationally back on its feet in a week or two.

If it can offer service as it was before, before the fiasco between it and lightship, and at something even approaching its current prices (Shawn has said they will rise, but how much is to be determined), then there's an opportunity for a lot of people to get HQ (then, not now :^I) web hosting cheap--and that's a very good thing. Again, IF and ONLY IF, LS-like fiascos can be avoided in the future--not to mention resolved now!


Nothing magic--just the beauty of the free market as assisted by significant cash infusions and large amounts of enthusiasm (which can be worth a lot of time and money), and perhaps a resulting large scale of operation. That combination is the only thing that might offer excitement here.


And obviously ONLY TIME WILL TELL. To repeat, there ARE, I realize, obvious grounds for pessimism--take the whole last 10 terrible days, the ongoing poor communication, the "back up soon" but never today, etc.

But I (unlike others here) think there are also some grounds for optimism.


 

overclock

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Hi there, I'm Shawn from Maine! You can find practically anything you want to know about me on my web page at http://www.cyberwings.com/swhite. I love to travel, read/write poetry and working on my homepage.. hope to hear from you soon!

He also loves to rip people off!

Remember, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!

I signed up for a couple of accounts with hopes of adding a few sites in the future. Oh well!
 

Wolfgang

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philmacrevis,

Actually got answers, mostly anyway:

(1) the drives are 120GB 10k EIDE, not SCSI.

(2) The systems are dual 1.6G P4, but it's not clear yo me if that means Xeon, necessarily. BUT: I would guess so, since TigerDirect is nor offering Compaq Dual 2G Xeon's system (with 15K HDs) for $2000. 1.6s should be substantially cheaper, I'd imagine. (Dual-capable Single CPU 1.7 system for $700.)

That's all for tonight. Man--too much time wasted here today. I'll see if I can skip a whole day tomorrow. May be hard with the no-doubt credulous thread response to LS's statement tomorrow, but I'll try.
 

gordita

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where can i go to ask cyberwings to refund for my 4 accounts?

wot do i do about 30 emails sitting in my webmail which i cannot access?

thanks
 

SinMen

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Originally posted by: overclock
, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
In this case, you don't get what you pay for. You paid for a year of web hosting with 98% up time. They had already used up 2 years worth of down time. And if they don't come back up, it's a scam.

 

mccall

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We will all hear from Lightship their side of the story regarding why they are holding CW's servers tomorrow (July 16). They are going to post some kind of statement on their site.

One thing, out of many, that did trouble me with Shawn's postings after this mess was the constant references (misrepresentations in my book) to the Lightship facility and the Virginia facility as their own (our or our's) when in reality they were/are renting space. In the Q&A that's currently on the CW Status Page Shawn also has contradictory answers regarding this:

Q: Shawn, why have you said it's your own DC, when the servers are with LS?
A: There were other talks going on behind the scenes about the facility that I cannot get into - moot at this point. Glad we did not acquire the facility, it is useless compared to Virginia.

Here, instead of admitting a misstatement, he implies that he was in negotiations to buy the Maine facility. I highly doubt that. Then he answers another question:

Q: Shawn is the new DC "YOURS" or are you just leasing space again from a larger company?
A: The DC in Virginia is not ours - we are not going to spend MILLIONS of dollars to purchase a building when we only have 16,000 web hosting customers.

OK, with that answer he says he's not going to buy a building to hold a DC 'cause his customer base is too small. So why should we believe that he was in negotiations to buy the DC in Maine? That just doesn't make sense to me.
 

mccall

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Also, in case anyone missed it, if CW ever gets back online again Shawn/CW will require that all of his customers fill out some sort of "user questionaire", which will be available in "24 - 48 hours" (as of 2 pm July 15th) and then sit back and wait until "dare not guess" for accounts to be set up.

Q: Will we need to request out accounts to become upgraded or will that happen automatically shawn?
A: We will be announcing an UPGRADE PROCESS - basically you will be filling out a QUESTIONNAIRE, giving us 100% of your information, and we will recreate EVERYTHING necessary, add on FREE stuff in BUNDLES, and give you new welcome emails at our NEW DC.

Q: When will the 'questionnaire' be posted, and is that a pre-req to getting our sites back? Also how will we get the surveys?
A: Within 24-48 hours - and via a website, via ConstantContact updates, via IRC, via every method known to us to get to you.

(Note that he fails to answer the question of whether filling out the user questionnaire is a prerequisite to getting the new accounts set up. I would guess that it is.)
 

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Originally posted by: Wolfgang
philmacrevis,
(1) the drives are 120GB 10k EIDE, not SCSI.

I wasn't aware there WERE 10k EIDE drives. I think they are still a max of 7200 unless I'm greatly mistaken. Probably a mistake.

Also, someone mentioned a 45 or 90 day limit on a credit card stop payment thingy. That's incorrect, tts actually 60 days according to federal law. Keep in mind that to ensure your rights under federal law you must mail your credit card company. While most of the time a call is enough, federal law only garuntees your rights if you mail.

Its best to try and resolve things with the seller, and since he claims he's doing refunds, I would let him do that. However if your 60 days are approaching, its up to you.

Personally I'm going to keep my individial accounts (which will be upgraded for free to AYW after this thing is over) and see what happens. If it falls through, so be it. If it was a scam, he probably would have run out already. But time will tell.
 

gleffler

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Cyberwings Chat can be reached on the webnet network in #cyberwings.
However, if you dare to speak ill of Cyberwings in it, expect to be removed.
You can join #cw-talk if that happens - there aren't any Cyberwing staffers or volunteers in it, so there is nobody to spread corporate propoganda^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H dogma.

Webnet servers include:
sauron.ca.us.webchat.org
katana.ca.us.webchat.org
irc.webchat.org
irc.linkline.com
 

MontyBurns

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Wolfgang: 120GB 10K EIDE drives??? Never heard of such a thing. Who is the manufacturer?

And who did you clarify this information with? Shawn himself?
 

Brasscat

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Anyone see any Cyberwings related message from Lightship yet? I heard Lightship is going to annouce something about their "ex" Cyberwings customer today. Also, is this the link?
 

Kwad Guy

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Got this in my mailbox this morning when I logged in from CEO...Seems to clear up a few things...

Kwad,

As you may have noticed, we have had a pretty rough few days. Lots of disinformation
being spread, non-believers rattling the gates to the kingdom, that sort of thing. I don't
really have time for small talk this morning (I am off to a major multi-state bikeride and
I just carbo-loaded and gotta get moving), but here's where we stand:

1) I don't know where all these rumors about the new hard drives and new processors got
started. As I CLEARLY stated before, we are going to be moving to new servers with dual
PII 233Mhz 512kb cache processors. These have the EQUIVALENT PERFORMANCE of PIV
1.6Ghz processors when you use a special software abstraction layer between the OS and
the processors. I think that is where the confusion about the processor speed comes from.

2) We are going to be using 120MB 5400rpm SCSI hard drives in some of our computers.
These have performance equivalent to a 10Gb 10K IDE drive. There is no such thing, currently
as a 10Gb 10K IDE drive. But by the calculations of our IS department, if/when such a thing
exists, it will be comparable in performance to the 120MB 5400 SCSI drive. These will be OS
drives only. User data will be stored on drives over *30 TIMES* larger.

3) While it is true that our old racking partner is holding hostage some of our servers, those
servers represent only a fraction of our total server inventory. The exact fraction is 92/97, hardly
"all our servers". If we cannot convince our former partner to forgive their ridiculous bill, we
plan to just migrate all our accounts to our remaining servers, which are located elsewhere.

4) Did I mention our current specials? Our KING BUZZ special has proved to be incredibly popular.
On our webchat last night, people were basically crawling over one another to buy the KING BUZZ.
I also gave away a complete KING BUZZ randomly. We expect to do this again tonight. For tonight only,
I am also bringing back the BUZZ CUT, which is a KING BUZZ but at a $3 savings. And, by popular demand,
I am introducing the TOTALLY BUZZED accound, which is 6X the guarantee of uptime we offer
with our regular accounts, 9X the guarantee of no price increases we normally offer, 100 arcade
tokens, a guide to reducing hair loss naturally, a guide to nature, a guide to how to make big money
in Amway sales, a mint copy of an out-of-print Darkman comic, a quart of Valvoline 10-40, a Chilton's guide
to the 1975 Datsun B210 (Honey Bee), and my personal word that when all the accounts are restored,
I will PERSONALLY see to it that yours is among the first to be reinitialized, giving you a head start on
uploading your website again. The total value of the TOTALLLY BUZZED account, if you were to buy
everything separately, would be around $2700. Tonight I will be offering it for $382. PayPal or cash only,
please. At this price, I cannot be accepting checks or credit cards.

5) We are currently in the process of reinitializing all accounts. For faster performance, we have undertaken
create a new discpack on each hard drive. This required that we wipe all current account information. Not
to worry: We backed up the boot sector of each server on a DD floppy. But our remaining backups of
actual accounts were done using Travan TR3 drives and old tapes (we didn't know they were THAT old
when we used them). Unfortunately, after running the tapes through the Travan drives every night
for a year and a month, they are now giving a lot of errors and we cannot recover any of the backups.
But we consider this a GOOD THING, because it allows all our users to work on nice, new, freshly
formatted discs.

6) Henceforth, we are not really interested in hearing from complainers and whiners. You are just
making our jobs harder. So please, unless you have something good to say (complements or positive
suggestions), we suggest you not contact us during this difficult phase. Those who maintain the faith
will ultimately be rewarded. I am sorry I took any money from the rest of you.

CEO
 
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