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Just got this a moment ago from Lightship as to my previous inquiry about CW. (its posted on page 6 or 7 of this thread)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lightship: Info" <Info@lightship.net>
To: "'xxxx'" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.com> Me
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Cyberwing
Good morning. Lightship has decided for the time being to not post this
information on the company website. However, we are replying to direct
inquiries from concerned Cyberwing customers that contact us.
Contrary to Cyberwing Communications' assertions, the ongoing outage being
experienced by customers of Cyberwing has resulted from Cyberwing's repeated
failure to pay to Lightship certain contractually-agreed amounts. Lightship
was ready and eager to continue to provide Internet services, including
technical support, to Cyberwing.
We would request that Cyberwing customers contact Cyberwing directly
regarding any service, support and data-related issues.
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Now the only thing that is irritating about this response by LS is that they did not answer my orig query as to whether or not they are holding CWs servers as hostage for money owed. Someone mentioned a mechanics lien however I KNOW Shawn (who claims being "independently wealthy" and not doing this for profit but a sort of socialistic utopia) 'could' place the amount in dispute in escrow and acquire the servers and let a court decide the fee's owed.
Regardless of the truth, anyone who hosts with CW for anything more than a homepage is daft. I would think that phone support is a must for any type of service if only to verify the validity of the company.
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This is my response to LS and am waiting a reply.
Hi,
I am disappointd in the response. My inquiry was to "whether or not you are 'holding' Cyberwings assets?"
From a phone conversation, I was under the impression that Shawn was able to remove HIS assets (the servers) from your site. Now if there are other liens on the servers from third parties (such as a lessor) or you are placing a mechanic's lien on them for fee's due that is fine. But I would prefer a direct answer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lightship: Info" <Info@lightship.net>
To: "'xxxx'" <xxxxx@xxxxxxxxx.com> Me
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Cyberwing
Good morning. Lightship has decided for the time being to not post this
information on the company website. However, we are replying to direct
inquiries from concerned Cyberwing customers that contact us.
Contrary to Cyberwing Communications' assertions, the ongoing outage being
experienced by customers of Cyberwing has resulted from Cyberwing's repeated
failure to pay to Lightship certain contractually-agreed amounts. Lightship
was ready and eager to continue to provide Internet services, including
technical support, to Cyberwing.
We would request that Cyberwing customers contact Cyberwing directly
regarding any service, support and data-related issues.
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Now the only thing that is irritating about this response by LS is that they did not answer my orig query as to whether or not they are holding CWs servers as hostage for money owed. Someone mentioned a mechanics lien however I KNOW Shawn (who claims being "independently wealthy" and not doing this for profit but a sort of socialistic utopia) 'could' place the amount in dispute in escrow and acquire the servers and let a court decide the fee's owed.
Regardless of the truth, anyone who hosts with CW for anything more than a homepage is daft. I would think that phone support is a must for any type of service if only to verify the validity of the company.
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This is my response to LS and am waiting a reply.
Hi,
I am disappointd in the response. My inquiry was to "whether or not you are 'holding' Cyberwings assets?"
From a phone conversation, I was under the impression that Shawn was able to remove HIS assets (the servers) from your site. Now if there are other liens on the servers from third parties (such as a lessor) or you are placing a mechanic's lien on them for fee's due that is fine. But I would prefer a direct answer.
When I read the above Lightship reply, all I can think about was Shawn's speal about being "hot under the collar" when he was "negotiating" with Lightship about a week ago.
Was he "hot under the collar" because he didn't have enough money to pay his bill? More like he was deceiving his customers with a lot of HOT AIR?
Was he "hot under the collar" because he didn't have enough money to pay his bill? More like he was deceiving his customers with a lot of HOT AIR?
Exactly. We have been strung along for all this time....a classic, textbook Ponzi scheme....
The incoming cash has slowed to a trickle and now it's time for the fat lady to sing.....
The incoming cash has slowed to a trickle and now it's time for the fat lady to sing.....
I'm sure Wolfgang can explain all this. After all, he said that LS was the one unfairly holding all of CW's equipment hostage, and that LS had demanded some exorbitant "cancellation fee."
When several people here suggested that perhaps the "problem" was that CW didn't pay its bills, he became quite irate and said it was obviously just some libelous guess.
So, Wolfgang, I'm asking you: Exactly what do you think the situation is, and exactly what are you basing your information on?
When several people here suggested that perhaps the "problem" was that CW didn't pay its bills, he became quite irate and said it was obviously just some libelous guess.
So, Wolfgang, I'm asking you: Exactly what do you think the situation is, and exactly what are you basing your information on?
Originally posted by: hergehen
anybody know, was our e-mail bounced during these days ?
Not yet, it would be held for some time until it was unable to be delivered. I just signed up for zoneedit.com DNS account, which offers free email redirection. Even if mail is getting through, based on the accounts from Shawn himself, it is unlikely you would ever see any of that data again.
BlueT>
Monty, some day I'll need to visit your planet, and someday you'll need to visit me on Earth.
I was going to type a reply, but since it'd just be pointing out the same things I've pointed out for a week or more, I don't think I'll bother.
Let's just say if you'd have read my note--I know you're too busy typing, but I just offer it as a suggestion--you'd see this is what my speculation predicts would happen.
And unlike you, I label my speculation as such.
Perhaps it's that you use the word "fact" the way I use the word "speculation" or "fiction"--maybe that's where the miscommunicaton is coming in.
To others: I think the key thing is premise (3) in my speculative argument--if that premise is false, it's going to be all over for CW, regardless of what happens with LS. If it's true, it almost certainly isn't over by any means whatever, regardless of what happens with LS.
I was going to type a reply, but since it'd just be pointing out the same things I've pointed out for a week or more, I don't think I'll bother.
Let's just say if you'd have read my note--I know you're too busy typing, but I just offer it as a suggestion--you'd see this is what my speculation predicts would happen.
And unlike you, I label my speculation as such.
Perhaps it's that you use the word "fact" the way I use the word "speculation" or "fiction"--maybe that's where the miscommunicaton is coming in.
To others: I think the key thing is premise (3) in my speculative argument--if that premise is false, it's going to be all over for CW, regardless of what happens with LS. If it's true, it almost certainly isn't over by any means whatever, regardless of what happens with LS.
I know from my past experiences, that it is possible for debtors to take control of a company that can't pay it's bills.
Lightship appears to be a "real" company --- I don't believe they'd do anything to jeopardize their business. If it's true Cyberwings owes Lightship +30K in back bills, holding the Cyberwings Servers as collateral is probably Lightship's right... especially if Lightship plans to legally persue Cyberwings for the $$$ beyond what their collections prodedures can muster. If we saw the standard Lightship contract, we'd proabably understand what was going on a lot better.
And in reality, Shawn probably doesn't have the $$$ to go after Lightship for his servers. Or if he does have the $$$, he knows he doesn't have a case to.
If anyone gets replys from Lightship, please post them here so we can piece everything together.
Lightship appears to be a "real" company --- I don't believe they'd do anything to jeopardize their business. If it's true Cyberwings owes Lightship +30K in back bills, holding the Cyberwings Servers as collateral is probably Lightship's right... especially if Lightship plans to legally persue Cyberwings for the $$$ beyond what their collections prodedures can muster. If we saw the standard Lightship contract, we'd proabably understand what was going on a lot better.
And in reality, Shawn probably doesn't have the $$$ to go after Lightship for his servers. Or if he does have the $$$, he knows he doesn't have a case to.
If anyone gets replys from Lightship, please post them here so we can piece everything together.
Wolfgang: I have read your notes, and I'll ask you again, though I suspect you'll continue to dodge the question: What exactly did you base your "speculation" on that CyberWings was receiving poor service from LS, wanted out of the contract, and got slapped with hefty, unfair cancellation fees?
I just can't help but notice that your "speculation" tends to always favor CyberWings. Whereas many others here seem to "speculate" in the other direction -- that perhaps the problems facing the company now are all of its own doing.
So, again: What has led you to speculate that this is anything OTHER than cyberwings not paying its bills, and LS demanding payment? I have no facts, beyond what both companies have said. I haven't even "speculated" either way. But you have, repeatedly, and so I've asked, repeatedly, what you're basing your speculation on.
Have you been in contact with CEO?
I just can't help but notice that your "speculation" tends to always favor CyberWings. Whereas many others here seem to "speculate" in the other direction -- that perhaps the problems facing the company now are all of its own doing.
So, again: What has led you to speculate that this is anything OTHER than cyberwings not paying its bills, and LS demanding payment? I have no facts, beyond what both companies have said. I haven't even "speculated" either way. But you have, repeatedly, and so I've asked, repeatedly, what you're basing your speculation on.
Have you been in contact with CEO?
And I guess I missed the posts where you "speculated" that CW wasn't paying its bills. Can you direct me to those posts?
And we know that doesn't work so why should his plan. Too much idealism here. Lofty goals, as in pie in the sky. Even if it does get back up the guy's too loopy to keep it there. i do believe he is after his purple robe. Y'all oughta get out imo.
Interesting... Maybe someone can answer this --
Shawn is supposedly setting up in his new "state of the art" datacenter in Virginia. He said the bandwidth was "hot" last week.
Then why is it that cyberwings.com still pings through Lightship in Maine? Wouldn't he have made the nameserver changes to fix this BY NOW? (that's one of the first things I would do as soon as soon as I was hot)...
I think I'll go to chat and see what the staffers have to say about this...
-- UPDATE: 15 mins later
The staff was there and talking, but AS SOON as I asked the question, they all clammed up. Wouldn't say nothin to nobody. Wouldn't even resond to "hello" --- so I left.
Shawn is supposedly setting up in his new "state of the art" datacenter in Virginia. He said the bandwidth was "hot" last week.
Then why is it that cyberwings.com still pings through Lightship in Maine? Wouldn't he have made the nameserver changes to fix this BY NOW? (that's one of the first things I would do as soon as soon as I was hot)...
I think I'll go to chat and see what the staffers have to say about this...
-- UPDATE: 15 mins later
The staff was there and talking, but AS SOON as I asked the question, they all clammed up. Wouldn't say nothin to nobody. Wouldn't even resond to "hello" --- so I left.
NightHawk21,
That was a great contribution. More of that and you'll be accused of being Shawn.
BTW, just joking with you.
That was a great contribution. More of that and you'll be accused of being Shawn.
BTW, just joking with you.
Ok now they're IDE not SCSI. Hmm another yet another "mis-statement" of facts. 10K RPM EIDE? Hmm, that would be an "unusual" drive. Could there be a pattern developing?
As I pointed out before, and no one has pointed to another option. I know of no Socket-423 or Socket-478 (the regular P4 sockets) motherboards supporting duals. Only seen dual socket 603's - the Xeon version. Also as I pointed out before, I've only ever seen the 1.6 in the 1MB cache version which are a chunk of money... I'd really love for someone to tell me I'm wrong about the dual P4 non-Xeon motherboard though. I've been looking for a replacement for a while... As I pointed out, the 1.6Mhz Xeons that I can find are MUCH more expensive ($3K-$6 per pricewatch - btw there are no 1.6 Xeons listed on ebay even) than 1.7s. My guess is if there are 1.6 and Pentium, then they turned on hyperthreading, which will make a single CPU appear as 2. Intel has just recently told motherboard manufacturer's that they can put enabling of hyperthreading in the BIOS config for testing purposes. It's still not stable, not intended for production purposes, and some apps actually run worse with it on than off. It's still only really 1 processor.
From ARIN:
Cyberwings Communications (NETBLK-LS-216-204-111-0)
66 East Grand Av
Old Orchard Beach, ME 04064
US
Netname: LS-216-204-111-0
Netblock: 216.204.111.0 - 216.204.111.255
Coordinator:
White, Shawn (SW1127-ARIN) techs@cyberwings.com
207-934-3430
Record last updated on 04-Jun-2002.
Database last updated on 15-Jul-2002 20:00:47 EDT.
Only the LS IP's. Where are the 1,024 new ones he stated he has?
Cyberwings Communications (NETBLK-LS-216-204-111-0)
66 East Grand Av
Old Orchard Beach, ME 04064
US
Netname: LS-216-204-111-0
Netblock: 216.204.111.0 - 216.204.111.255
Coordinator:
White, Shawn (SW1127-ARIN) techs@cyberwings.com
207-934-3430
Record last updated on 04-Jun-2002.
Database last updated on 15-Jul-2002 20:00:47 EDT.
Only the LS IP's. Where are the 1,024 new ones he stated he has?
Nighthawk: I'm sure it's just a transportation issue.
KwadGuy: Have you received any correspondence regarding how the IP addresses will be transported? I assume they'd stick to the interstate, but I know tolls can really eat into profits.
KwadGuy: Have you received any correspondence regarding how the IP addresses will be transported? I assume they'd stick to the interstate, but I know tolls can really eat into profits.
Cyberwings Communications (NETBLK-LS-216-204-111-0) LS-216-204-111-0
216.204.111.0 - 216.204.111.255
Cyberwings Communications (NETBLK-LS-216-204-145-0) LS-216-204-145-0
216.204.145.0 - 216.204.145.255
216.204.111.0 - 216.204.111.255
Cyberwings Communications (NETBLK-LS-216-204-145-0) LS-216-204-145-0
216.204.145.0 - 216.204.145.255
MontyBurns,
The transportation issue will be resolved as soon as we get into our purple robes and Nikes and wait for the spaceship to take us to the comet. The spaceship will come!
The transportation issue will be resolved as soon as we get into our purple robes and Nikes and wait for the spaceship to take us to the comet. The spaceship will come!
Good question. One would think that this would be the first step in redirecting traffic to your new location. Only thing I can think of is perhaps his nameserver currently are down. Something like this only goes smooth when you have time to plan for it. I have been dealing with telcos and the like for years now. Personally I think it is a freaking miracle that he was able to get his high speed lines up so quick. Every T1 or T3 I have had to deal with always took somewhere from 30 to 60 days to get installed, even though the line and loop at my location was already laid.
I think he has just over promised and under delivered as he has stated before. I don't see how any one of us could have believed that this would be a speedy process.
I am personally suprised at the lack of service and information this guy has provided us. The only FACTS I see are, he constantly dodges question. His universal answer is "we'll pull through this and be bigger and badder".
I am also disappointed that these guys have no form of backup whatsoever. I'm sorry, mirroring drives is not my idea of a backup. A Raid array is a great way of increasing performance, and a good way to keep from going down in the event one hard drive fails. All you have to do is pop in a new one and let your Raid manager do it's thing. No need to go down. However, IT IS NOT A BACKUP! What happens if the DC catches fire? Every network admin I know does off site backups on a very regular basis. It's what every MCSE is taught in the first few days of class. Surely this guy knows that off site backups are essential (if not, he probably does now).
Do you happen to know of the engines on that spaceship run at 7200 rpms or 10000 rpms? There seems to be some confusion.
You folks don't know how to ask the right Q's.
I'll think I'll inquire with LS to see if they have any "surplus hosting hardware" that they'd be willing to let go of ...CHEAP.
LOL. Be sweet if I ended up with all of CW's chit.
But it might corrupt me...I'd have to throw it all into the lava of Mount Stupid, where it was forged.
Now.... what were you folks saying?
I'll think I'll inquire with LS to see if they have any "surplus hosting hardware" that they'd be willing to let go of ...CHEAP.
LOL. Be sweet if I ended up with all of CW's chit.
But it might corrupt me...I'd have to throw it all into the lava of Mount Stupid, where it was forged.
Now.... what were you folks saying?
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Even better for credibility in this thread... there are no such things as 10K RPM IDE drives. Next?
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