• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

Page 769 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
So much for this being the non political Rona thread. I guess that ship probably sailed a long time ago.

why are you the number one person for complaining about this, after almost always making some non-funny joke about politics in an OT thread, get called on it, then demand that there be no politics?

It's like every single time in every OT thread. It seems that you don't really care about the politics being brought up, you just care when you (or conservative allies) get called on bullshit.
 
Don't know if anybody has been watching this but the stuff in Shanghai seems to be not good. Lots of reports the government lockdown is leaving people desperately short of food. Some videos of unrest starting to emerge. Cases headed up.

coworker's friend and family are over there. Not all in Shanghai region, but some. It's quite insane. No one allowed to leave their homes, can't even walk dogs outside. people are being corralled into army-like barracks, separated by positive and negative testing. Children (as young as infants), being separated from parents like it was ordered by the Trump administration. Families don't know where they are going.

If anyone in a house tests positive, everyone is shipped off and any animals in the house are euthanized. Extremely barbaric, incredibly unnecessary stuff.

I'm wondering if they are just using this as a way to thin the herd of "undesirables."
 
why are you the number one person for complaining about this, after almost always making some non-funny joke about politics in an OT thread, get called on it, then demand that there be no politics?

It's like every single time in every OT thread. It seems that you don't really care about the politics being brought up, you just care when you (or conservative allies) get called on bullshit.

Hey... we have two separate forums for a reason. I'm just trying to keep the cesspool that is P&N from encroaching here.
 
coworker's friend and family are over there. Not all in Shanghai region, but some. It's quite insane. No one allowed to leave their homes, can't even walk dogs outside. people are being corralled into army-like barracks, separated by positive and negative testing. Children (as young as infants), being separated from parents like it was ordered by the Trump administration. Families don't know where they are going.

If anyone in a house tests positive, everyone is shipped off and any animals in the house are euthanized. Extremely barbaric, incredibly unnecessary stuff.

I'm wondering if they are just using this as a way to thin the herd of "undesirables."

The Chinese gov does not appear able to change course even though the facts on the ground have changed (omicron). Crazy that given their immense state power they've decided to continue this instead of obtaining mRNA vaccines and treatments from Europe or the US. Just too proud I guess.

Also for everybody who said the US was "locked down" take a gander over at what's happening there and tell me we were "locked down".
 
Holy crap, China's crematoriums are going to be working overtime.

Bloomberg - "Only half of Chinese aged 80 and older are fully vaccinated against Covid-19"

And even for those that are vaccinated, these vaccines are vastly inferior to MRNA vaccines.
 
More footage from China. People are hungry and fed up.

Not going to amount to much; unlike the Anglo-derived system present in Anglo-influenced countries, there are no "levers" for the public to manipulate like lawsuits, protests, boycotts, "anarchy zones" etc in Commie China. Protest and it's straight to detention. The country was in real shit from the 60s up until the late 80s. People just had to take their licks and try to immigrate out. No regime change. The cadence of the state has not changed in those years, but they found the defacto magic economic formula that the "book academics" can't seem to grasp. So the state got bigger guns and surveillance tech than it had during Nixon's detente.
People in Anglo countries are too stuck in their own world to realize secular saints like Ghandis or MLKs don't work in places with a different system where "just kill him" is an option with no repercussions and the legal system isn't independent.
 
secular saints like Ghandis or MLKs don't work in places with a different system where "just kill him" is an option


Far as I can tell "just kill him" is ALWAYS an option no matter what "system" a government operates under! (just a BIT easier to get away with it in China)

🙁

 
Last edited:
coworker's friend and family are over there. Not all in Shanghai region, but some. It's quite insane. No one allowed to leave their homes, can't even walk dogs outside. people are being corralled into army-like barracks, separated by positive and negative testing. Children (as young as infants), being separated from parents like it was ordered by the Trump administration. Families don't know where they are going.

If anyone in a house tests positive, everyone is shipped off and any animals in the house are euthanized. Extremely barbaric, incredibly unnecessary stuff.

I'm wondering if they are just using this as a way to thin the herd of "undesirables."
Probably. There's a little bit of a population crisis where they have too many grey hairs(government payouts) and not enough young people(tax revenues coming in), which led to the repeal of the one-child policy; that didn't really help because raising kids are so expensive there it's still not worth having more than one.
 
Far as I can tell "just kill him" is ALWAYS an option no matter what "system" a government operates under!

🙁

Ultimately, what I was getting at that economically empowering a state lacking in "systemic pathways for change" that countries like the U.K, U.S, etc have(and citizens of those locales take for granted) only serves to make that state more totalitarian and more able to compel compliance. The whole "make the them economically better so then their system changes" was either politicians--many of whom were lawyers who should see such simple bullshit--being blind(imo less likely) or covering up the actual fact that they sold out for $$$ behind closed doors.

There are also systemic protections that allow for activist activities to work in Anglo areas, such as due process, restrictions on detention, right to a lawyer etc. Where as over there, the cops can cook some charges up and just arrest whenever, then detain as long as they want. It happened to Yundi Li, the renowned pianist, and he has expressed loyalty to the regime in the past.
Personally, my maternal family had the experience of "detention" back in the 60s. Not a place you want to be. Kept in a factory for days, every move watched, including when going to bathroom. My mom only had her detention cut short because her health took a turn for the worst and her stomach area ballooned in size.


It is correct that any government can take someone out, but it's often harder work to cover tracks in an Anglo nation if it's a figure who has built up public prominence. Everyone in the clique has to be on board. The "government executive" like the President or state governors can't just order up a public killing because he feels like it.
With a more free press, death can set off a media firestorm or "sanctification". If it's a locale with state-run media, no such fanfare happens.

Without an independent judiciary system, the possibility that a little suit that migrates to highest court in the land and lead to a landmark ruling is eliminated beforehand; these were key in the civil rights movement.

The power of the press is highlighted in guardianship cases. As far needing to acquiesce to public attention, the courts could simply ignore it. But the fear of appearing to lack integrity can release a person from a predatory guardianship/conservatorship if sufficient awareness is whipped up. The Britney Spears case is the most prominent one but my family had to deal with something similar 10 years prior involving my grandmother. When the state has power, it's acts in its own interest always. Mom got a blood test to check on grandmother's CEA, it showed elevated. Then the glorious comes with their hammer barring my mom from any more visits where grandma could leave the nursing home.
 
Philly Reinstates Indoor Mask Mandate (NBC News - Phil)

XELVBE5F45F77M2PJXWO5VWSU4.jpg
 
Last edited:
But... why? Covid infection rates are relatively low in Pennsylvania right now.

That is a bit odd, but then you look to the north and see that Canada is going through a spike in infections in the weeks since provinces lifted mask mandates. It's not clear how directly related those spikes are, but I imagine cities like Philly don't want to risk a surge.
 
But... why? Covid infection rates are relatively low in Pennsylvania right now.
Philadelphia made the mask mandate move with daily case counts and hospitalizations ticking above its own self-imposed benchmarks in recent days.
...
The School District of Philadelphia had already planned on requiring masks as students return from spring break on April 18. This new mandate means all schools and day cares in the city must also follow suit.
 
But... why? Covid infection rates are relatively low in Pennsylvania right now.


Don't make the news I just report it...? 😉

Connecticut @ 5.5% daily 7-day average positivity now and trending in the wrong direction.... maybe erring on the side of caution in PA.

GOOD news is that overall hospitalizations are down more since last week here but there are still 104 serious cases currently state-wide.
 
Last edited:
Looking at our preliminary county case counts for last week, not finalized, and already higher than the week of 2/28/22 - 3/6/22, before our mask mandate was lifted.
 
Looking at our preliminary county case counts for last week, not finalized, and already higher than the week of 2/28/22 - 3/6/22, before our mask mandate was lifted.


Bummer is that even though severe cases do appear to be much rarer now thanks to the vaccine plus many folks already having been exposed PLUS less lethal variants, higher numbers of infections will lead to at least some bad outcomes.

Unfortunately IMO it's not quite time to relax yet. 🙁
 
But... why? Covid infection rates are relatively low in Pennsylvania right now.
Almost every state in the North East is starting to increase in cases. People let their guard down and the BA.2 variant is spreading quickly. Cases in Pennsylvania have nearly doubled in a week. Much of Europe has gone through another surge with BA.2 starting a few weeks ago and now it is hitting the US. Luckily, since BA.2 is very similar to the original Omicron variant and is following quickly in its heels, Europe was not hit as hard with BA.2 as with the original Omicron.
 
Don't make the news I just report it...? 😉

Connecticut @ 5.5% daily 7-day average positivity now and trending in the wrong direction.... maybe erring on the side of caution in PA.

GOOD news is that overall hospitalizations are down more since last week here but there are still 104 serious cases currently state-wide.
The U.S. is doing approx. 1/4 of the daily Covid testing that it did three months ago. There's probably moderately more transmissions going on than the low-ish 30k national daily average suggests, but it's not popping up in the official cases or positivity rate (sewage testing is the best bet on surveillance). In well-vaccinated areas (particularly in western Europe), there was no stress put on the public health system due to BA.2. It remains to be seen how that maps to American counties with unimpressive vaccination rates.

The reality is that most of the U.S. has moved on from the virus, but the virus still hasn't totally moved on from us. I wouldn't even call it people letting their guards down when most western governments have already pivoted to no Covid restrictions. I was at the Bicycle Casino in L.A. yesterday, and customer masking is about 20% in my estimation. My buddy in Las Vegas says it's virtually nil on masking there.
 
I am watching videos about the stuff happening in China. Man they really don't know how to do logistics properly. So messed up. They'll let the food rot on the street instead of distributing it quickly.
 
I got my 2nd Moderna booster the day after it was approved, i.e. 11 days ago. Again, mild reaction, a little arm soreness, a fever next day that topped at 99.9 (briefly), some tiredness that wasn't particularly different from sleep deficit (which it probably was, partly). 2 days later, nothing.

I saw/heard something to the effect that immunity with the 2nd mRNA booster wains in 4 weeks, though. 🙁 I suppose that's 6 weeks from getting the booster?
 
I got my 2nd Moderna booster the day after it was approved, i.e. 11 days ago. Again, mild reaction, a little arm soreness, a fever next day that topped at 99.9 (briefly), some tiredness that wasn't particularly different than sleep deficit. 2 days later, nothing.

I saw/heard something to the effect that immunity with the 2nd mRNA booster wains in 4 weeks, though. 🙁 I suppose that's 6 weeks from getting the booster?

Antibody levels will always decline but your response will be broader (more diff antibodies produced and stored). Israel data for 4th dose in older people very favorable.
 
Back
Top