NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[zinfamous]

Like I said, I haven't stepped foot in my office for the past 18 months. I have ZERO physical contact with my clients, customers, or employees. Why does my vaccination status matter to them?

Reading skills are important, zin.

then why do you care? you haven't been going in anyway, so if you're required to get vaccinated but don't, then don't go to work. If your job requires you to be in the office when they are ready to bring you back in, then it looks like you are choosing to get yourself fired.

I don't see the issue.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Of course it should matter to your employers if an asshole like you is trying to kill your coworkers.

Do you think they should be concerned if you carried in a loaded gun with the announced intent to murder people?

It's literally the same thing. It boggles the mind that you can't understand that you have an actual responsibility to not callously kill or injure or maim your fellow humans.

these are long established laws from the small pox days.

 

[Geekbabe]

I am a cancer patient in active treatment, immunotherapy. I still work in a hospital, I have no choice if I wish to continue having a place to live and medical care.

The number of people who come into the hospital without masks shocks me, the number of people who “ forgot” to bring their vaccination cards to visit a hospitalized relative or friend also shocks me. The worst? unvaccinated people who go off verbally because they can’t visit their relative who now has a hospital roommate…..I have been called some pretty horrible names all because the state and CDC put rules in place to try to protect sick patients in hospital beds.

I mask, I wear safety glasses & scrub cap, I douse myself with alcohol spray ….trying to keep every one safer. I have also had 2 vaccine shots and got my booster shot almost 2 weeks ago.

Let’s go up to the hospital sans masks, unvaccinated and visit grandma & when told no let’s shout and scream at a receptionist who is trying to tactfully explain the rules…I am sorry but some people’s lack of critical thinking skills astonishes me

 

[ultimatebob]

then why do you care? you haven't been going in anyway, so if you're required to get vaccinated but don't, then don't go to work. If your job requires you to be in the office when they are ready to bring you back in, then it looks like you are choosing to get yourself fired.

I don't see the issue.

If I had to pass a vaccine mandate, I think that I would require the vaccine for all interstate travel. That's something that the federal government actually has control over, and you have a legitimate reason for requiring the vaccine at that point because you're actually doing something that prevents the spread of the virus.

This workplace vaccination requirement probably isn't going to stand up in court, for reasons I just mentioned.

 

[nakedfrog]

If I had to pass a vaccine mandate, I think that I would require the vaccine for all interstate travel. That's something that the federal government actually has control over, and you have a legitimate reason for requiring the vaccine at that point because you're actually doing something that prevents the spread of the virus.

This workplace vaccination requirement probably isn't going to stand up in court, for reasons I just mentioned.

Man, I'd sure feel sorry for all the people that live in Council Bluffs, IA and work in Omaha, NE (or vice versa), you'd be creating a major clusterfuck for them (and I'm sure there are similar situations across the country). A bit silly to say that would prevent the spread of the virus, when a car is a fairly closed environment, whereas in-person workplaces are more like incubators.

 

[ultimatebob]

Man, I'd sure feel sorry for all the people that live in Council Bluffs, IA and work in Omaha, NE (or vice versa), you'd be creating a major clusterfuck for them (and I'm sure there are similar situations across the country). A bit silly to say that would prevent the spread of the virus, when a car is a fairly closed environment, whereas in-person workplaces are more like incubators.

I was thinking of doing the vaccine checks for plane, train, and bus travel. We're already doing ID checks for those anyway, adding a vaccine card check isn't going to cause much additional work.

Adding vaccine checkpoints for car travel is a non-starter, no state government would want to enforce that.

 

[nakedfrog]

I was thinking of doing the vaccine checks for plane, train, and bus travel. We're already doing ID checks for those anyway, adding a vaccine card check isn't going to cause much additional work.

Adding vaccine checkpoints for car travel is a non-starter, no state government would want to enforce that.

I can't see any issue with that. Would be nice if they actually enforced mask policies in airports and on planes too, but I understand not everyone wants to deal with the entitled, childish jerks that GeekBabe has to deal with at the hospital.

 

[dullard]

I haven't stepped foot in the office where I work for the last 18 months, and it really shouldn't be their job to insure that I'm vaccinated. Because, frankly, it shouldn't matter to them if I'm vaccinated or not.

You do such a good job at work, that of course it matters to them if they lose you to Covid. Your death is both a financial and timeline risk to your company. Replacing you will be a significant financial burden to your company. Your replacement will take quite a while to get up to speed and will never catch up to the same experience that you have.

Plus, if you have health or life insurance from your company, then you getting serious Covid may cost them tens of thousands of dollars (if not more).

 

[zinfamous]

If I had to pass a vaccine mandate, I think that I would require the vaccine for all interstate travel. That's something that the federal government actually has control over, and you have a legitimate reason for requiring the vaccine at that point because you're actually doing something that prevents the spread of the virus.

This workplace vaccination requirement probably isn't going to stand up in court, for reasons I just mentioned.

sure, I'd like to see that as well. But how are you going to enforce it?

We could do what China did and bulldoze in tons of dirt and debris to block off all the roads from Wuhan, effective preventing real human movement, but I don't think most in the US would like that. I don't really like these methods myself, but what I like or don't like isn't always the right thing to do.

I understand these nuances and can fucking get over it if the needs of the many demand it. That's what adult thinkin is, imo. Not this selfish bitchfest that every American seems entitled to get into.

So yeah, I guess I agree with you. I do think we should effectively block travel between the red covid states so that the rest of us don't have to deal with these idiots. Bring on the dirt!

 

[Red Squirrel]

I was thinking of doing the vaccine checks for plane, train, and bus travel. We're already doing ID checks for those anyway, adding a vaccine card check isn't going to cause much additional work.

Adding vaccine checkpoints for car travel is a non-starter, no state government would want to enforce that.

For car travel the easiest way would be to just deny entry into any establishment that is outside your area. With the upcoming ID app this will be pretty easy to do as once you are out of your boundary it would basically always deny entry anywhere, even gas stations. They would only allow you in hotels and you'd have to wait 2 weeks before you can go anywhere else. With this app ID system there's a lot of powers they'll be able to exercise on us. All businesses will be required to scan it and if it goes red they won't be able to let you in by law, they don't even need to know why and won't have a way of knowing but if they let you in they would get huge fines.

 

[zinfamous]

You do such a good job at work, that of course it matters to them if they lose you to Covid. Your death is both a financial and timeline risk to your company. Replacing you will be a significant financial burden to your company. Your replacement will take quite a while to get up to speed and will never catch up to the same experience that you have.

Plus, if you have health or life insurance from your company, then you getting serious Covid may cost them tens of thousands of dollars (if not more).

But it's his choice to be a an unnecessary burden on everyone that interacts with and employees him!

Merca.

 

[jpiniero]

You do such a good job at work, that of course it matters to them if they lose you to Covid. Your death is both a financial and timeline risk to your company. Replacing you will be a significant financial burden to your company. Your replacement will take quite a while to get up to speed and will never catch up to the same experience that you have.

I doubt companies feel that way.

Plus, if you have health or life insurance from your company, then you getting serious Covid may cost them tens of thousands of dollars (if not more).

Now we're talking.

 

[jpiniero]

Ooh and I got a covid story third hand. Fella's been super sick for a very long time, not sure how he's not dead. His niece decides to get the vaccine despite the immediate family being big anti-vaxxers(?) just to see him in the ICU. Sure enough her hubby and the kids get the rona. Hubby died a couple days ago. She's fine.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Like I said, I haven't stepped foot in my office for the past 18 months. I have ZERO physical contact with my clients, customers, or employees. Why does my vaccination status matter to them? While I already got vaccinated, it shouldn't matter to them either way.

Reading skills are important, zin.

If you can do 100% of your job at home and never need to go to the office, your job can be done in India.

 

[jpiniero]

If you can do 100% of your job at home and never need to go to the office, your job can be done in India.

Yep. Doesn't seem like the full approval has changed much though. Don't know what the big employers are waiting for.

 

[nakedfrog]

If you can do 100% of your job at home and never need to go to the office, your job can be done in India.

Sure, it can be, but weirdly it never seems to get done quite as well when they do that
Probably more of a commentary on trying to get the job done for the least amount of money than it is on the workers in India.

 

[balloonshark]

"Pfizer and BioNTech will soon seek clearance for vaccine use in children 5 years and over."

Pfizer and BioNTech will soon seek clearance for vaccine use in children 5 and older. (Published 2021)

Results from a study involving 5-to-11-year-olds will be released in the coming weeks, a BioNTech co-founder told Der Spiegel.

www.nytimes.com

 

[dullard]

Wondering, how much do you trust the official # from around the world? To me I can mostly trust Canada/US/Aussie/NZ/EU(union)/UK/Singa/Taiwan/Jap/SK, the rest are crap shot. Like how can India go from 400k to 40k in a matter of couple weeks? Africa/Brazil/Peru/Mexico/South Asia/China/Russia/East EU likely way under report.

India certainly can drop in a matter of a few weeks. Covid appears to have a 2 to 3 month cycle. Click on just about any graph of almost any country or any state and you'll see it peaks and then plunges in 2 to 3 months. https://www.pharmaceutical-technolo...-two-month-peak-and-decline-cycle-identified/

I tend to go by numbers, rather than feelings. Yes, numbers can be easily manipulated. But doing manipulations in a way that is hard to spot is difficult. For example, lets look at outliers in death rate (confirmed deaths per confirmed infected). The outliers that are too high (>4% of cases end up in deaths--I chose this cutoff since it is about double the average reported rate) are in order:

• Vanuatu (25.0%), Yemen, Peru, Mexico, Sudan, Syria, Ecuador, Egypt, Somalia, Taiwan, China, Afghanistan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Liberia, and Bulgaria (4.1%).
• These countries may very well be under-reporting the confirmed infections.

Outliers that are too low (<0.3% death rate--I chose this since there is a big cliff in death rates after that point) are:

• Bhutan (0.1%), Laos (0.1%), and Singapore (0.1%).

I also don't trust when the confirmed death rates don't correlate to the confirmed infection rate (14 days earlier). Those countries include at least:

• Guatemala, Belarus, Peru, Nicaragua. Nicaragua is the really oddball one that has one official death each week, every week regardless of the confirmed cases.
• Note: I was doing calculations manually and so I didn't try many countries, these ones were just really strong outliers. There are probably more.

Finally, I don't trust areas where the infection rates don't follow any ebb and flow (no 2 to 3 month surge). That would be countries like:

• Brazil, Guatemala, Ecuador, Honduras, Nicaragua.
• Maybe Libya, and Belarus fit that category.

I'm not saying that all the countries above are specifically manipulating the data, but their data just doesn't seem to fit in with any other reported data. For example, Singapore is one on the list that I probably would want to trust, it might be an outlier just because they can limit population travel quite well. Also, countries that I didn't list may be manipulating data (intentionally or not), but their manipulations seem to be similar to everyone else's data. One type of unintentional manipulation would be underreporting of cases early on. We just didn't have the tests available.

But, look at my lists and you'll probably say that it matches your list pretty closely.

 

[ultimatebob]

If you can do 100% of your job at home and never need to go to the office, your job can be done in India.

Not really... my job deals with healthcare data that isn't supposed to be outsourced.

Besides, they would probably need to hire 3 people in India to do my workload. All of the GOOD IT people from India come here because the pay is better, leaving just the 2nd and 3rd tier IT folks overseas.

 

[Artorias]

Food for thought. I don't agree with the mandates either.

 

[nakedfrog]

Not really... my job deals with healthcare data that isn't supposed to be outsourced.

Besides, they would probably need to hire 3 people in India to do my workload. All of the GOOD IT people from India come here because the pay is better, leaving just the 2nd and 3rd tier IT folks overseas.

I figured probably some of the good ones still work there, but not for the companies that do US outsourcing.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Not really... my job deals with healthcare data that isn't supposed to be outsourced.

Besides, they would probably need to hire 3 people in India to do my workload. All of the GOOD IT people from India come here because the pay is better, leaving just the 2nd and 3rd tier IT folks overseas.

Then someone in Mississippi can do it

 

[nakedfrog]

Then someone in Mississippi can do it

You got a weird beef with people who are working fully remote or something?

 

[ultimatebob]

Then someone in Mississippi can do it

Oddly enough, we haven't seen much if that yet. You would think that Google and Apple would have started outsourcing more jobs from the Silicon Valley to places where the cost of living is halved, but they haven't started doing it yet.

Besides, I'm still relatively affordable compared to Northern California tech salary requirements. Someone with my skill-set and experience would want $250K a year there.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You got a weird beef with people who are working fully remote or something?

No actually it is a great thing. People tend to forget if they are fully remote and literally never go to the office for onsite training or meetings or whatever the potential candidate pool expanded greatly.