NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[linkgoron]

There are so many laws because we are packed full of people that will do anything they can get away with. And in the US half our political parties agree with that.

But nationally we have like 30+% unvaccinated, that is a huge chunk of antivaxers, not a vocal fringe. The vocal fringe has a lot of followers.

I don't think there are so many anti vaxxers, but the anti vaxxers are very vocal, and speak with a lot of confidence so that they affect people who are uncertain, and uncertain people just postpone until they have to.

 

[Captante]

Funny how the tinfoil-hat crowd ALWAYS believes that whatever imaginary group of evil-doers is behind their particular delusion could somehow be capable of actually getting things done.

 

[Ajay]

I don't think there are so many anti vaxxers, but the anti vaxxers are very vocal, and speak with a lot of confidence so that they affect people who are uncertain, and uncertain people just postpone until they have to.

Fair enough, there are allot of people who have vaccine hesitancy for a whole host of reasons. The anti vaxxers, however, are chumming the waters with so many lies that it’s become impossible to educate those who are merely poorly informed. It is just insanity out there in the ether.

 

[pmv]

Funny how the tinfoil-hat crowd ALWAYS believes that whatever imaginary group of evil-doers is behind their particular delusion could somehow be capable of actually getting things done.

They should probably put whoever is behind all these astonishingly well-run conspiracies (controlled demolition of WTC, nanobots in vaccines, etc) in charge of running all government programs. They'd all be far more efficient. Poverty would be solved, Afghanistan fully Westernised, climate-change prevented, etc, once these evil geniuses got to work on them.

 

[Muse]

Ooh and I got a covid story third hand. Fella's been super sick for a very long time, not sure how he's not dead. His niece decides to get the vaccine despite the immediate family being big anti-vaxxers(?) just to see him in the ICU. Sure enough her hubby and the kids get the rona. Hubby died a couple days ago. She's fine.

It was risky her seeing him. She brought back the disease and it killed her hubby, who should have been likewise vaccinated. IMO, the trouble is that people are not informed. It's not really all that complicated. I mean high school algebra is way more complicated. This is middle school type stuff. You don't have to be all that smart to get what's going on if you are reasonably discerning. People should be told:

1. There's a ton of info out there and a LOT of it is misinformation.
2. Be discerning. Find reliable sources of information and then decide what to do. Life in the modern world is like that now. It's swim or sink.

 

[Spacehead]

I don't follow this type of info but has anyone seen evidence of an increase in vaccinations since the FDA approved Pfizers vaccine?

 

[Muse]

I don't follow this type of info but has anyone seen evidence of an increase in vaccinations since the FDA approved Pfizers vaccine?

I think there's been some uptick recently. One talking point I've heard at least 3x in the last few days on TV (MSM, network news) is that people are 11x as likely to die if they contract covid-19 if they are not vaccinated. A talking point like that kind of stands out!

 

[Muse]

They should probably put whoever is behind all these astonishingly well-run conspiracies (controlled demolition of WTC, nanobots in vaccines, etc) in charge of running all government programs. They'd all be far more efficient. Poverty would be solved, Afghanistan fully Westernised, climate-change prevented, etc, once these evil geniuses got to work on them.

There you have the CA recall election. Elder says he would cancel all mask and vaccine mandating right off the bat. Can you imagine what he'd do with the myriad other problems in California? He'd get tough on crime, house the homeless, stoke the economy, cancel "Newsom's taxes." His surly face would be all over the news. We'd have our own Twump. It would be utter chaos until the next actual regular election. CA should really change it's recall process. It's insane. NYTimes had an article about that a few days ago.

 

[Zorba]

I don't follow this type of info but has anyone seen evidence of an increase in vaccinations since the FDA approved Pfizers vaccine?

Looking at New York Times tracker it doesn't look like there was any uptick. Almost like people were lying when they claimed that was their issue.

 

[K1052]

Looking at New York Times tracker it doesn't look like there was any uptick. Almost like people were lying when they claimed that was their issue.

I mean if you don't trust the EUA then I always really doubted that full licensure would move you. Its helpful for mandates though and removal of testing opt outs. Relatedly most of the people who said they'd quit their jobs if they had to get vaccinated have somewhat predictably turned out to be full of crap.

 

[gill77]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...mpaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

I Got A 'Mild' Breakthrough Case. Here's What I Wish I'd Known

The test results that hot day in early August shouldn't have surprised me — all the symptoms were there. A few days earlier, fatigue had enveloped me like a weighted blanket. I chalked it up to my weekend of travel. Next, a headache clamped down on the back of my skull. Then my eyeballs started to ache. And soon enough, everything tasted like nothing.

 

[Kaido]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...mpaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

I Got A 'Mild' Breakthrough Case. Here's What I Wish I'd Known

The test results that hot day in early August shouldn't have surprised me — all the symptoms were there. A few days earlier, fatigue had enveloped me like a weighted blanket. I chalked it up to my weekend of travel. Next, a headache clamped down on the back of my skull. Then my eyeballs started to ache. And soon enough, everything tasted like nothing.

"The U.S. is averaging more than 130,000 coronavirus infections a day"

Oh dang!!

 

[PingSpike]

Well, my youngest was exposed at preschool. That took about 4-5 days. The primary care is sitting on their ass about setting up a test for her, I have an alternative but I don't remember things being so shit last year. So far she seems fine though.

Any work on when that kid's vaccine might show up? My youngest is 4 though at this point she'll probably age into the 5-12 group next year before they get anything for her.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Estimates range from end of Oct. To late jan/early Feb for EUA in the 5-11 cohort, 6mo-5 probably 1-2 months after that. So feasibly not until late spring 22 to get all school-age kids vaccinated, which is depressing.

 

[Kaido]

Veronica Wolski, QAnon supporter at center of ivermectin firestorm, dies of COVID-related pneumonia at Chicago hospital

Veronica Wolski, the QAnon adherent whose recent hospitalization made her a cause celebre for the controversial medication ivermectin, died in the intensive care unit of Amita Health Resurrection M…

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[Brainonska511]

Estimates range from end of Oct. To late jan/early Feb for EUA in the 5-11 cohort, 6mo-5 probably 1-2 months after that. So feasibly not until late spring 22 to get all school-age kids vaccinated, which is depressing.

That's because the incentives for the FDA are totally backwards. Hospitalized kids and missed school because of COVID, the general public is pretty quiet. But if there is even a single, rare, serious temporary adverse event that may be related to the vaccine in children, and people will flip their shit at the FDA.

 

[manly]

That's because the incentives for the FDA are totally backwards. Hospitalized kids and missed school because of COVID, the general public is pretty quiet. But if there is even a single, rare, serious temporary adverse event that may be related to the vaccine in children, and people will flip their shit at the FDA.

I found it interesting that the UK's vaccine advisory board declined to recommend the COVID vaccines for ages 12-15:

If I understand correctly, the Brits have not seen pediatric ICU admissions shoot up dramatically and thus some of their strategies have diverged from the Americans. Their school staff was over 90% vaccinated this summer, so they have a lot better immunization coverage than almost all of the U.S. Despite the U.S. and UK beginning vaccination at about the same time, the U.S. has now dropped to dead last among G7 nations (late starting Japan just caught up to us recently).

 

[Captante]

I found it interesting that the UK's vaccine advisory board declined to recommend the COVID vaccines for ages 12-15:

If I understand correctly, the Brits have not seen pediatric ICU admissions shoot up dramatically and thus some of their strategies have diverged from the Americans. Their school staff was over 90% vaccinated this summer, so they have a lot better immunization coverage than almost all of the U.S. Despite the U.S. and UK beginning vaccination at about the same time, the U.S. has now dropped to dead last among G7 nations (late starting Japan just caught up to us recently).

Why I'm simply SHOCKED that effectively immunizing school staff has greatly reduced the spread of Covid-19 to school-age kids in the UK! (what the actual fvck is wrong with people in the US?!?)



Seriously .... America needs to STOP allowing the very stupid to dictate terms.

 

[Muse]

Veronica Wolski, QAnon supporter at center of ivermectin firestorm, dies of COVID-related pneumonia at Chicago hospital

Veronica Wolski, the QAnon adherent whose recent hospitalization made her a cause celebre for the controversial medication ivermectin, died in the intensive care unit of Amita Health Resurrection M…

www.chicagotribune.com

Wolski was well-known for her political activism. She gained attention in 2016 by standing on a pedestrian bridge over the Kennedy Expressway with banners showing support for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, but then switched her allegiance to the QAnon conspiracy theory. Her Telegram channel includes numerous posts showing a disdain for masking, vaccines and other mainstream approaches to avoiding COVID-19.

 

[local]

So, final update on the kid with the rona I guess. She is fine, returned to her normal self last Friday and now you wouldn't even know she was sick. That is good and all but I am actually fairly vexed at the whole situation, it was basically an advertisement for the anti-truth brigade even though I am still trying to frame it as a vaccine success.

We took zero precautions, none. Covid positive kid coughing in our face, her twin sister sharing the same bedroom, her younger sister playing with her face to face, eating with everyone at the same table, holding her while she is snorting and coughing in her sleep, etc. No one else in the house caught it and the grandparents that took care of her the first day are fine too. She was a bit more fatigued than she is with the usual crud but other than that this was a huge pile of nothing. So now I am back at work because I cannot justify it to myself anymore. Every single person I know is now using my own experience as an example of how this whole thing is just an overblown cold that isn't nearly as dangerous or infections as "they" claim.

I'm not upset that we are not all deathly ill, that is wonderful, but I cannot enjoy reinforcing the position that this is all a lie.

 

[Torn Mind]

So, final update on the kid with the rona I guess. She is fine, returned to her normal self last Friday and now you wouldn't even know she was sick. That is good and all but I am actually fairly vexed at the whole situation, it was basically an advertisement for the anti-truth brigade even though I am still trying to frame it as a vaccine success.

We took zero precautions, none. Covid positive kid coughing in our face, her twin sister sharing the same bedroom, her younger sister playing with her face to face, eating with everyone at the same table, holding her while she is snorting and coughing in her sleep, etc. No one else in the house caught it and the grandparents that took care of her the first day are fine too. She was a bit more fatigued than she is with the usual crud but other than that this was a huge pile of nothing. So now I am back at work because I cannot justify it to myself anymore. Every single person I know is now using my own experience as an example of how this whole thing is just an overblown cold that isn't nearly as dangerous or infections as "they" claim.

I'm not upset that we are not all deathly ill, that is wonderful, but I cannot enjoy reinforcing the position that this is all a lie.

Well, COVID is the "Spread quickly, but don't kill everything" type of disease, so it's still a 1 in 50, 1 in 100 type of killer. Imagine if an apartment complex of a hundred or so has someone shot to death every year and they get replaced. That's "not safe". Have 10 out of 100 die a year and get replaced, and it's really not safe.

I was sick and my mom was in the same room too, she didn't really report anything major nor did I notice anything. Tested negative too.

The main problem with stopping hospitalizations and deaths is that those who don't get that but are "compromised" for months or indefinitely with long haul symptoms are shit out of luck, which is exactly how the powers at be want it even though being shit out of luck with COVID is far riskier even for healthier, younger people than flus and colds. Blood clots, weakened blood vessels, neural reconfiguration, brain fog may not be costly via hospitalization but they are extremely costly to the unfortunate individuals who get them and they have to bear the cost(often intangible but work might become a real drag as well).

 

[K1052]

So, final update on the kid with the rona I guess. She is fine, returned to her normal self last Friday and now you wouldn't even know she was sick. That is good and all but I am actually fairly vexed at the whole situation, it was basically an advertisement for the anti-truth brigade even though I am still trying to frame it as a vaccine success.

We took zero precautions, none. Covid positive kid coughing in our face, her twin sister sharing the same bedroom, her younger sister playing with her face to face, eating with everyone at the same table, holding her while she is snorting and coughing in her sleep, etc. No one else in the house caught it and the grandparents that took care of her the first day are fine too. She was a bit more fatigued than she is with the usual crud but other than that this was a huge pile of nothing. So now I am back at work because I cannot justify it to myself anymore. Every single person I know is now using my own experience as an example of how this whole thing is just an overblown cold that isn't nearly as dangerous or infections as "they" claim.

I'm not upset that we are not all deathly ill, that is wonderful, but I cannot enjoy reinforcing the position that this is all a lie.

They've decided what your experience meant in alignment with their own beliefs.

They've chosen...poorly.

 

[Ajay]

Click the tweets for full commentary:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1437056213389299714

https://twitter.com/x/status/1437056407275245568

 

[Muse]

So, final update on the kid with the rona I guess. She is fine, returned to her normal self last Friday and now you wouldn't even know she was sick. That is good and all but I am actually fairly vexed at the whole situation, it was basically an advertisement for the anti-truth brigade even though I am still trying to frame it as a vaccine success.

We took zero precautions, none. Covid positive kid coughing in our face, her twin sister sharing the same bedroom, her younger sister playing with her face to face, eating with everyone at the same table, holding her while she is snorting and coughing in her sleep, etc. No one else in the house caught it and the grandparents that took care of her the first day are fine too. She was a bit more fatigued than she is with the usual crud but other than that this was a huge pile of nothing. So now I am back at work because I cannot justify it to myself anymore. Every single person I know is now using my own experience as an example of how this whole thing is just an overblown cold that isn't nearly as dangerous or infections as "they" claim.

I'm not upset that we are not all deathly ill, that is wonderful, but I cannot enjoy reinforcing the position that this is all a lie.

Anybody who draws conclusions about the pandemic and the many complex crisscrossing parameters involving how we adjust and respond from one or a handful of cases is stupid and possibly malicious to boot.

 

[Muse]

Well, COVID is the "Spread quickly, but don't kill everything" type of disease, so it's still a 1 in 50, 1 in 100 type of killer. Imagine if an apartment complex of a hundred or so has someone shot to death every year and they get replaced. That's "not safe". Have 10 out of 100 die a year and get replaced, and it's really not safe.

I was sick and my mom was in the same room too, she didn't really report anything major nor did I notice anything. Tested negative too.

The main problem with stopping hospitalizations and deaths is that those who don't get that but are "compromised" for months or indefinitely with long haul symptoms are shit out of luck, which is exactly how the powers at be want it even though being shit out of luck with COVID is far riskier even for healthier, younger people than flus and colds. Blood clots, weakened blood vessels, neural reconfiguration, brain fog may not be costly via hospitalization but they are extremely costly to the unfortunate individuals who get them and they have to bear the cost(often intangible but work might become a real drag as well).

Are you aware of any studies concerning the prevalence of long haul covid-19 victims among the vaccinated? I have heard next to nothing concerning this. A bit perhaps, but it doesn't register with me now. I think it does happen but I'd like to know more.