NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Brainonska511]

In case you didn't notice, people who GOT the shot are still getting the virus. Perhaps the media should start being honest for a change and admit that the vaccine wasn't as effective as hoped?

The vaccine is doing a fine job. It wasn't tested to prevent any infection. It however has proven to be quite effective at keeping people out of the hospital and keeping people out of the grave, which is perfectly in line with its initial development and testing.

 

[Denly]

Looks like we're working from home until at least Oct 31 now. Also my workplace (and lot of other functions it seems like hospitals, restaurants etc) have announced making the vax mandatory. I got mine, but I still don't like this idea honestly. I don't really want yet another piece of ID I need to carry everywhere I go as it seems so many other places it will be mandatory too. I kind of saw this coming though. I hope they eventually incorporate this into the driver's license or health card or something. This is also going to be a huge hassle for anyone that cannot be vaccinated or that may have medical reasons to not want to. Funny how we went from 2 weeks to flatten the curve to "papers please".

I am pretty sure it will be smart phone base, vax passport is the only way we can keep business open.

 

[gill77]

Seems like the vaccine companies might be laughing all the way to the bank. The original mRNA vaccines might have to be eventually abandoned for a Delta-customized version if more studies reach the same conclusion as above.

I doubt that the studies will have much of an impact. People discount anything that does not fit their narrative. When the vaccines drop to some level of effectiveness, maybe that of just vitamin D supplementation, the narratives will slowly begin to change.

It is my understanding that Pfizer and Moderna are both developing antivirals. I would not be shocked to see those administered under EUA's should the vaccines crater.

Some might even question why our approach ignored other useful tools such as rapid testing. Early detection and treatment is critical for reducing transmission and the CFR.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I am pretty sure it will be smart phone base, vax passport is the only way we can keep business open.

I hate that crap so much. So now everyone is basically forced to have a smart phone and install a government app on it. Not surprised though at all... it seems to be the direction everything is going.

I'm tempted to just use a burner phone with no service for the app and just leave it in the car. Though it will probably require internet/data to work I imagine, they'll do on purpose.

 

[pmv]

I am trying to think of a nice way to say this, but who taught you this stuff?

Experience. Looking at reality. You should try it sometime.

For most of my life most of the media here has been unrelentingly right-wing. Almost all of the printed press, and much of the TV (including the BBC, incidentally - their news and current-afffairs department is stuffed full of committed Tories, and it frequently shows - the most one could say is that even they generally aren't as crazy extreme right-wing as the US Republican party).

Occasionally there have been demands for the Murdoch Press in particular, to be obliged to give 'the right of reply' to those they attacked. This would always be greeted with howls of outrage by the right. Because "free speech" doesn't actually mean you let the other side speak, it means those who own the means of speech, predominantly rich people on the right, get to decide what gets said.

On top of that you had the BBC for many years having a special MI5 officer whose job was to vet anyone they employed to ensure they weren't unacceptably left-wing. You had organizations like the "Consulting Association" that would keep registers of building workers who were known to have the wrong, overly-leftist, political views, so employers could refuse to employ them.

 

[gill77]

Experience. Looking at reality. You should try it sometime.

For most of my life most of the media here has been unrelentingly right-wing. Almost all of the printed press, and much of the TV (including the BBC, incidentally - their news and current-afffairs department is stuffed full of committed Tories, and it frequently shows - the most one could say is that even they generally aren't as crazy extreme right-wing as the US Republican party).

Occasionally there have been demands for the Murdoch Press in particular, to be obliged to give 'the right of reply' to those they attacked. This would always be greeted with howls of outrage by the right. Because "free speech" doesn't actually mean you let the other side speak, it means those who own the means of speech, predominantly rich people on the right, get to decide what gets said.

On top of that you had the BBC for many years having a special MI5 officer whose job was to vet anyone they employed to ensure they weren't unacceptably left-wing. You had organizations like the "Consulting Association" that would keep registers of building workers who were known to have the wrong, overly-leftist, political views, so employers could refuse to employ them.

I guess we just have had a different set of experiences.

It's probably general consensus that in the US at least, different institutions lean in different directions with military, law enforcement leaning right and academia and the medial leaning left, for example, with some exceptions to be sure. Overall, it all seems to balance out to close to 50/50.

Experientially, these biases appear obvious, even in conservative states like here in Texas, again with notable exceptions. It sounds like your perception of the BBC is that it is the FOX of the United Kingdom. It sure does not seem that way to me, at least from my limited exposure. I have never been to the UK.

 

[manly]

It's a preprint with a very specific sample. So it needs to hold up to review and be repeatable.

It's hilarious that the good "doctor" who posted that news yesterday questions why get vaccinated after a natural infection when paragraph #3 says it enhances natural immunity. Then he comes back minutes later to quote that very paragraph, and rails about the lack of science and research in the U.S.

 

[Kaido]

 

[Kaido]

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I just went to the first page of this thread. Started Jan 20, 2020. How did we get from "dang, poor Wuhan" to "please stop taking horse dewormer" ??

 

[Kaido]

I'm on the meme train tonight

Edit: Note, for humor not politics here lol

 

[ultimatebob]

I just went to the first page of this thread. Started Jan 20, 2020. How did we get from "dang, poor Wuhan" to "please stop taking horse dewormer" ??

That's easy... Wuhan shared their germs with the rest of the planet and everything went off the rails!

 

[Kaido]

That's easy... Wuhan shared their germs with the rest of the planet and everything went off the rails!

 

[Torn Mind]

In case you didn't notice, people who GOT the shot are still getting the virus. Perhaps the media should start being honest for a change and admit that the vaccine wasn't as effective as hoped?

The media and other agencies of influence(like the CDC) is more subtle in the way it gets people to believe what they want to believe. Framing is the first tool in the toolbox, drawing the reader to make their own assumptions from what they read. The populace inferred that the vaccine was a force field, with the CDC fueling such a presumption with their guidance of "vaccinated can go unmasked, congregate closely, and everything else pre-pandemic).

The passport is being passed in areas where the news cycle isn't constant because they already had more people vaccinated. But let's use Texas, Florida, and Louisana fucking themselves inside and out to justify mandating passports in 70+% areas San Francisco, where it is highly unlikely redneckers exists and the non-vaccinated either have a condition that legitimately prevents them from getting dose number 2 or because the big dogs have sinned in shady practices in the past and hold it against establishment for .

It is rather pathetic that the news cycle doesn't mention the "5Cs" or the incomplete phrase "pandemic of the unvaccinated"(it should be "endemic amongst the vaccinated, pandemic of the vaccinated"). .

COVID-19 Vaccines

Vaccines are seen as one of the best ways to stop COVID-19. Learn more about the types of vaccines, including the newly approved Novavax.

www.webmd.com

Why some people don't want a Covid-19 vaccine

Social media is rife with posts disparaging the vaccine hesitant – but these reactions are doing more harm than good.

www.bbc.com

 

[Dr. Detroit]

It's hilarious that the good "doctor" who posted that news yesterday questions why get vaccinated after a natural infection when paragraph #3 says it enhances natural immunity. Then he comes back minutes later to quote that very paragraph, and rails about the lack of science and research in the U.S.

Once again - This is science coming from Israel, not the USA. I'm railing about the lack of studies done here in the States.

Why would you be required to get an injection if you have natural immunity - it makes no sense. There is risk in everything, and these injections are not without side effects, some severe enough to die.

Heart Problem More Common After Covid-19 Than After Vaccination, Study Finds (Published 2021)

The research did not assess the risks specifically for young males, who are the most likely to develop the rare side effect.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Spacehead]

Once again - This is science coming from Israel, not the USA. I'm railing about the lack of studies done here in the States.

Why would you be required to get an injection if you have natural immunity - it makes no sense. There is risk in everything, and these injections are not without side effects, some severe enough to die.

Heart Problem More Common After Covid-19 Than After Vaccination, Study Finds (Published 2021)

The research did not assess the risks specifically for young males, who are the most likely to develop the rare side effect.

www.nytimes.com

The study came out, what, maybe a week ago? Aren't researchers allowed to follow up on that report & see if it holds true, then maybe alter the vaccine "requirement" if it really is true?

How severe of a case of Covid do you need to have to have the immunity? Just a positive test? Symptoms, no symptoms?
Maybe we so should be doing periodic antibody testing?

 

[Muse]

Vaccine resistant strains driving breakthrough cases:

New UCSF study: Vaccine-resistant viruses are driving ‘breakthrough’ COVID infections

A UC San Francisco study of Bay Area COVID infections found variants with antibody-resistant mutations are playing an ever-larger role in our highly vaccinated region’s pandemic.

www.mercurynews.com

 

[Kaido]

Vaccine resistant strains driving breakthrough cases:

New UCSF study: Vaccine-resistant viruses are driving ‘breakthrough’ COVID infections

A UC San Francisco study of Bay Area COVID infections found variants with antibody-resistant mutations are playing an ever-larger role in our highly vaccinated region’s pandemic.

www.mercurynews.com

Dang. What do you even do about that? Stay home forever?

 

[ultimatebob]

Dang. What do you even do about that? Stay home forever?

At some point, you just accept the risk of getting infected and get on with life. Unless you have another disease that will possibly kill you if you get COVID, you're probably just better off realizing that you're going to catch it at some point and deal with it.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I think at this point they need to just work on a cure instead of prevention. There is probably a drug that could ensure that if you get it, you won't get long term effects. I know there was that one drug that Trump was pushing, has there been actual studies on if it helped, or perhaps another drug helps? This is the avenue that needs to be explored at this point. We can't just stay in perpetual lockdowns and restrictions forever.

School is about to start in a week or so, will be interesting to see how that goes.

 

[ultimatebob]

I think at this point they need to just work on a cure instead of prevention. There is probably a drug that could ensure that if you get it, you won't get long term effects. I know there was that one drug that Trump was pushing, has there been actual studies on if it helped, or perhaps another drug helps? This is the avenue that needs to be explored at this point. We can't just stay in perpetual lockdowns and restrictions forever.

School is about to start in a week or so, will be interesting to see how that goes.

There is not as much profit in a cure, though. One shot, and you've lost them as a future customer. If you create a vaccine that only last six months, though, you have a recurring revenue model for years!

 

[Red Squirrel]

There is not as much profit in a cure, though. One shot, and you've lost them as a future customer. If you create a vaccine that only last six months, though, you have a recurring revenue model for years!

Sadly the truth, it seems to be the case with the medical industry as a whole.

The big money maker right now is sleep apnea. Seems everyone and their dog is being diagnosed with that these days, including myself. Instead of researching an effective surgery to fix it, they just want you on a cpap machine for the rest of your life. Not only does this suck as far as quality of life goes, but there are consumables and an ongoing cost which makes them money.

 

[SKORPI0]

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-anti...-who-opposed-covid-tyranny-dies-virus-1624076

 

[Torn Mind]

I doubt that the studies will have much of an impact. People discount anything that does not fit their narrative. When the vaccines drop to some level of effectiveness, maybe that of just vitamin D supplementation, the narratives will slowly begin to change.

It is my understanding that Pfizer and Moderna are both developing antivirals. I would not be shocked to see those administered under EUA's should the vaccines crater.

Some might even question why our approach ignored other useful tools such as rapid testing. Early detection and treatment is critical for reducing transmission and the CFR.

Nasal vaccines would be a prudent point of emphasis. Stop it at the first point of contact.

Transmission definitely can occur before symptoms are recognized as symptoms, if they are ever recognized.

I was exhausted for a week or more before I got tested on Feb 13 this year. That a full week of potentially spreading without knowing it if I went out amongst others. I didn’t need to for that week, so the only people at real risk was my mom(she somehow avoided it). I either had no immunity or natural immunity from Nov. 2019 to deal with the infection. I was left with coughing months afterwards but the virus was long gone when the coughs started. In my case, the virus suppressed perception of pain and symptoms, suggesting neural interference on the part of the virus to let the infected have a few days of normal-but-hampered life to jump to others before upping the symptoms(or the body itself gets triggered into destroying itself via cytokine storm or autoantibodies; it is likely a miracle drug stopping autoantibodies will pop up eventually).

I would not be surprised if it follows the road of TB in which they figure out how to tame it to a point but the "masters" of the world doesn't give a shit about the unendowed countries where it is STILL a pandemic(and it might return to the first world as resistance to drugs continues to build).

 

[Torn Mind]

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-anti...-who-opposed-covid-tyranny-dies-virus-1624076

Fake tough guys dying or suffering makes me happy. Delusion irks me very much.

 

[Kaido]

Sadly the truth, it seems to be the case with the medical industry as a whole.

The big money maker right now is sleep apnea. Seems everyone and their dog is being diagnosed with that these days, including myself. Instead of researching an effective surgery to fix it, they just want you on a cpap machine for the rest of your life. Not only does this suck as far as quality of life goes, but there are consumables and an ongoing cost which makes them money.

I got one & my MIL got one. She got sick of using it & got the enlarging surgery as a "permanent fix"...didn't help at all & had to go back on the machine! And unfortunately my machine wasn't covered under insurance ($$$$) so I have to shell out for everything myself. On the flip side, I was tired my whole freaking life & now I'm not, so that little machine is literally a miracle in my life. But yeah, I'm on a lifetime subscription plan, doesn't matter how good of shape I stay in, it's just genetic & I'll always have to be on it