NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Muse]

Hi black person here. Actually, most of us older folks pushed past a lot of the past history and went and got vaccinated. Now we are trying to convince men and younger folks to get vaccinated. OUR churches are active in the campaign, with some of the larger ones holding vaccine clinics.


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Good to hear. TBH, I think the black churches are a few cuts above the others. I LOVE gospel music, well, most of what I hear.

 

[Geekbabe]

Hoping this cancer patient can get a booster shot soon. I was vaxed in Dec and January, work in a hospital and am nervous about Delta. I had an immune response to my first 2 shots but it’s been 7 months now

 

[Zorba]

Canada mandating vaccine for air, cruise, and train passengers: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-government-mandatory-vaccinations-1.6140131

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Hoping this cancer patient can get a booster shot soon. I was vaxed in Dec and January, work in a hospital and am nervous about Delta. I had an immune response to my first 2 shots but it’s been 7 months now

Considering the new CDC statement today for those that are susceptible, any shot at you just going to a vaccination clinic and just acting as if you haven't had it previously?

Certainly wouldn't blame ya...

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Good to hear. TBH, I think the black churches are a few cuts above the others. I LOVE gospel music, well, most of what I hear.

Lol you are the definition of what you proclaim to be against. Just felt this was a perfect quote for this.

 

[Spacehead]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1426021325278167043

One would think that it would make more sense to get a different vaccine for a booster .... But maybe I'm just crazy heh.

From what i hear, technically they're not calling this a booster shot. It just gone form a 2 dose vaccine to 3 dose for some. It sounds like there hasn't been studies on mixing brands yet, or at least not studied enough.
But i get it that everyone calls these booster shots.

I have no idea if an actual booster shot will be the same dose or something different from the first round.

 

[Spacehead]

Opinion | We Studied One Million Students. This Is What We Learned About Masking. (Published 2021)

Returning to school this fall, children should be vaccinated if eligible, wear masks or prepare to risk getting Covid.

www.nytimes.com

The absurdity continues: Philadelphia - Starting Sept. 1, all city employees will be required to be fully vaccinated if they work inside or be double-masked.

Michael Osterholm is the Director for Infectious Disease, Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota & former COVID advisor to Biden and just this week has noted that non N95 masks provide little to no prevention.

Do Masks Provide as Much Protection as We Think?

A recent internal document from the CDC reveals that it's as contagious as chickenpox and it carries an increased risk of severe illness and hospitalization. Michael Osterholm is the Director for Infectious Disease, Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. He speaks with our Walter...

www.pbs.org

PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS TRANSPLANTED BY RESPIRATORY DROPLETS AND FALLING WITHIN SIX FEET OF US.

TODAY THAT IS NOT THE SCIENCE THAT WE KNOW.

WE KNOW THESE ARE TRANSMITTED WITH AEROSOLS.

IF YOU ARE IN A ROOM WITH SOMEONE AND THEY ARE SMOKING AND YOU SMELL IT, YOU ARE GETTING BASICALLY INHALED AEROSOLS IN.

Same problem continues. Masks work... masks don't work.

I'm sure there's some wiggle room here too. You go into the grocery store for a half hour. If everyone is masked & stays apart versus half the people are masked & some don't stay apart.

It would be nice if everyone that wanted them had access to an N95 but we don't. To be honest i haven't looked to see if the supply has come back on those or not.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Same problem continues. Masks work... masks don't work.

I'm sure there's some wiggle room here too. You go into the grocery store for a half hour. If everyone is masked & stays apart versus half the people are masked & some don't stay apart.

It would be nice if everyone that wanted them had access to an N95 but we don't. To be honest i haven't looked to see if the supply has come back on those or not.

Yea, I dunno.

Aerosol penetration through surgical masks - PubMed

The mask that has the highest collection efficiency is not necessarily the best mask from the perspective of the filter-quality factor, which considers not only the capture efficiency but also the air resistance. Although surgical mask media may be adequate to remove bacteria exhaled or expelled...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Seems like it's a minor thing to squabble over in general, masks are irritating but only to me...but I actually started to like them a little bit lol.

The N95 masks can get pretty tough to breath thru on occasion.

 

[K1052]

From what i hear, technically they're not calling this a booster shot. It just gone form a 2 dose vaccine to 3 dose for some. It sounds like there hasn't been studies on mixing brands yet, or at least not studied enough.
But i get it that everyone calls these booster shots.

I have no idea if an actual booster shot will be the same dose or something different from the first round.

I think NIH is doing mixing studies. A three dose regimen for the immunocompromised seems reasonable.

Moderna tried out a half dose as a booster which will be the same dose size for kids when they eventually get it approved for that. I think this would be my preference when/if the time comes since side effects influenced by dosage size and it looks like 50 micrograms works fine for a boost.

 

[Zorba]

Same problem continues. Masks work... masks don't work.

I'm sure there's some wiggle room here too. You go into the grocery store for a half hour. If everyone is masked & stays apart versus half the people are masked & some don't stay apart.

It would be nice if everyone that wanted them had access to an N95 but we don't. To be honest i haven't looked to see if the supply has come back on those or not.

All the studies show masks help. This seems like a perfect being the enemy of good enough. Masks still lower the amount of aerosols in the air if there sick person is wearing one, this is why universal masking is needed.

 

[hardhat]

Yeah, their are folks in my church that feel that way, for all sorts of reasons


My niece works at at a hospital and her and her husband are recently married and starting to have kids. The docs there suggested that she might want to wait before she gets one of the Covid vaccines as the CDC hasn't posted definitive information on whether or not it is safe yet for pregnant mothers. I think all the CDC has said that so far there are no know complications (so far!!?). Anyway, it sucks - I'm worried.

WCCO | CBS Minnesota - Breaking News, NEXT Weather, and Community Journalism, Minneapolis-St. Paul

Latest breaking news from the Twin Cities of Minneapolis-St. Paul, Greater Minnesota and Wisconsin.

minnesota.cbslocal.com

 

[Muse]

Don't know if anybody has linked this but I have reason to believe this is exceptional:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-may-be-a-bigger-problem.html

David Wallace-Wells was cited in this recent video (also well worth checking out) by zDoggMD:

 

[Muse]

Same problem continues. Masks work... masks don't work.

I'm sure there's some wiggle room here too. You go into the grocery store for a half hour. If everyone is masked & stays apart versus half the people are masked & some don't stay apart.

It would be nice if everyone that wanted them had access to an N95 but we don't. To be honest i haven't looked to see if the supply has come back on those or not.

I had N95's I bought online (Ebay) during the 2017 wildfire season here. I was working on my garage and had to beat the rains end of summer season. When pandemic hit I gave away a bunch, but stopped doing that. I rewear them! Many times!!! They fit perfectly if you put them on right (me, anyway) - 3M 9210 N95, discontinued now, but you can get some great 3M's online still, I'm pretty sure (but nowhere near as cheap as I got mine, something like $0.50 apiece, batch of 20 IIRC). They came with stupid blue rubber straps that snap. I bought elastic banding online and attached with my sewing machine!

 

[gill77]

Don't know if anybody has linked this but I have reason to believe this is exceptional:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-may-be-a-bigger-problem.html

David Wallace-Wells was cited in this recent video (also well worth checking out) by zDoggMD:

The video made one statement that just did not seem to make sense to me. Future variants won't be as troublesome as Delta just because Delta is so good it will be hard to beat.

Then I came across this in the article, which, by the way, I found to be excellent for the most part. The next variants will be worse, because Delta is now the baseline. All the lineages will derive from Delta.

Predictions are really difficult, especially when you are talking about the future.

 

[manly]

I had N95's I bought online (Ebay) during the 2017 wildfire season here. I was working on my garage and had to beat the rains end of summer season. When pandemic hit I gave away a bunch, but stopped doing that. I rewear them! Many times!!! They fit perfectly if you put them on right (me, anyway) - 3M 9210 N95, discontinued now, but you can get some great 3M's online still, I'm pretty sure (but nowhere near as cheap as I got mine, something like $0.50 apiece, batch of 20 IIRC). They came with stupid blue rubber straps that snap. I bought elastic banding online and attached with my sewing machine!

As you discovered, N95 respirators expire because the headbands become weak (not because the mask media degrades). There was a story over a year ago that a group of volunteers repaired a bunch of expired N95s when there were intense shortages nationally.

In other unrelated (old) news, California used to have mobile hospitals with medical stockpile on the ready, but Gov. Brown scuttled the program in 2011 to patch a $26B budget hole. Originally set up by Ahnold years prior to prepare for emergency or pandemic, it was one of the few smart things that the Governator did. By last year, the remaining N95s in the stockpile had all expired.

(Use Google to get past the paywall):

California once had mobile hospitals and a ventilator stockpile. But it dismantled them

The state's supply of mobile hospitals, ventilators and N95 respirators would have helped in the coronavirus outbreak, but the state got rid of them years ago.

www.latimes.com

 

[JM Aggie08]

Not sure if this article has been linked: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article

Not going to lie -- there's just too much fucking information out there.

 

[Muse]

Not sure if this article has been linked: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article

Not going to lie -- there's just too much fucking information out there.

Started getting that way by, I'm thinking, springtime 2020. Before that I felt like I was on top of it. Now, it's just so much info.

I stopped watching daily news around 3 weeks ago because I DVR'd the Olympics and I didn't want spoilers. I'm still working my way through that, have over 40 hours to watch... this is just OTA NBC coverage! I skip the commercials for the most part and some of the coverage doesn't work for me. But I'm feeling more out of touch because little MSM. Well, I'm starting to access MSM again because the Olympics are over, and after a few days there's not a lot about it.

 

[uclaLabrat]

The video made one statement that just did not seem to make sense to me. Future variants won't be as troublesome as Delta just because Delta is so good it will be hard to beat.

Then I came across this in the article, which, by the way, I found to be excellent for the most part. The next variants will be worse, because Delta is now the baseline. All the lineages will derive from Delta.

Predictions are really difficult, especially when you are talking about the future.

I kinda get their point; there's a random chance that any subsequent variants will be better or worse than delta. But as you mentioned, delta set the baseline quite high, so any variants less virulent than delta will not be as competitive and this yield a much smaller number of infections so as to be a non-issue (at least as far as tracking cases goes).

Anything worse than delta will obviously become the new threat. Specifically anything that may be less virulent statistically than delta but able to evade current immunity, either natural or from the vaccine.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Ya'll ever rip ass, are unable to immediately smell it, then find yourself searching the perimeter around you for the scent?

 

[Torn Mind]

Don't know if anybody has linked this but I have reason to believe this is exceptional:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-may-be-a-bigger-problem.html

David Wallace-Wells was cited in this recent video (also well worth checking out) by zDoggMD:

The sentiments in the nymag article are exactly the things I've come to a conclusion about weeks before.

There are two types of optimistic viewpoints in this pandemic. The obvious head-in-the-sand total deniers who think everything is fraud and want freedom without vaccination. Then there's the more intelligent yet still blind optimist who thinks that the experts know and care about saving lives and solely saving lives with no economic conflict of interest.
The news media factions has fueled both types of optimists and their signature attitudes.

As an aside, it makes me fume was they say something is close to zero. Because as I have stated before, scale matters with smaller numbers. A hundredth is still a probability when events are still common enough. A millionth is far more rare.

The priority of government first is money. They need taxes and corporate and commercial taxes are the big pots government wants. For government, as long as the hospitals are not overwhelmed and government employees are "safe", it will not care about personal exceptions. Got a breakthrough infection? That's a private matter now.

I would be considered consistently pessimistic. There will be more troublesome variants in due time. It's got two years of an unvaccinated continent and numerous other countries to run its course and have a few more mutations.

 

[Zorba]

The video made one statement that just did not seem to make sense to me. Future variants won't be as troublesome as Delta just because Delta is so good it will be hard to beat.

Then I came across this in the article, which, by the way, I found to be excellent for the most part. The next variants will be worse, because Delta is now the baseline. All the lineages will derive from Delta.

Predictions are really difficult, especially when you are talking about the future.

Basically for something to displace Delta it'd have to be even more contagious, since Delta is already one of the most contagious viruses known, it'll (hopefully) be quite hard to displace.

An example would be measels, it mutates all the time, but it got as good as it could get a long time ago, so known if those mutations really add up to much.

 

[dullard]

It would be nice if everyone that wanted them had access to an N95 but we don't. To be honest i haven't looked to see if the supply has come back on those or not.

Comfortable N95 masks have been readily available for more than half a year. I've been using these throughout all of 2021:

https://www.grainger.com/product/HONEYWELL-Disposable-Flatfold-Respirator-60KN92

 

[Muse]

Basically for something to displace Delta it'd have to be even more contagious, since Delta is already one of the most contagious viruses known, it'll (hopefully) be quite hard to displace.

An example would be measels, it mutates all the time, but it got as good as it could get a long time ago, so known if those mutations really add up to much.

That's what I figure. With an R0 of ~7, it's going to infect a lot of people (vaxxed or not) and confer a lot of immunity on the survivors, which will make any "new" variant have a tough time penetrating, unless it can evade the antibodies. Of course, Delta will mutate and continue to mutate. Hopefully not to where it sidesteps the immunity in the populace. It seems to me that the R0 is what drives dominance.

 

[Zorba]

Comfortable N95 masks have been readily available for more than half a year. I've been using these throughout all of 2021:

https://www.grainger.com/product/HONEYWELL-Disposable-Flatfold-Respirator-60KN92

How well do those seal around your nose? I bought some kn95s like that and they don't seal worth shit. I put my cloth mask over it and use it's wire to deal the kn95.

 

[dullard]

How well do those seal around your nose? I bought some kn95s like that and they don't seal worth shit. I put my cloth mask over it and use it's wire to deal the kn95.

They do pretty well. Occasionally when I do a lot of exertion on a hot humid day it doesn't seal well enough and it fogs my glasses. In fact, they suck when exercising on a hot, humid day. But other than that, I'm happy.

It has an extra rubber-like pad around the nose and a built-in metal strip.