NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Scarpozzi]

Texas is gaining population while NY and CA are losing. There you go.

It's gonna be funny when the next election swings it to a blue state and then the republicans will cry election fraud again....I know this is a non-political thread, but that's just a fact. =P

 

[gill77]

I look at stock prices and market caps of Modern and BioNTech and it's obvious the market thinks covid will be around for very long time, possibly forever. Market is forward looking and that's what it sees.

It would be difficult to see how anyone could view the approach taken by the US as designed to drive covid to extinction.

Probably does not matter much since the entire world needs to be on the same page.

Bug first from Wuhan, next from India kicking our butts. It's not like it sprang out of San Francisco and mutated in New Orleans.

 

[Svnla]

Latest news from mainland china (original place of the virus), not looking good.

Delta variant outbreak hits Wuhan, prompting mass testing of 11 million residents | CNN

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[jpiniero]

Tangentially related, I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to this... apparently real estate developers are freaking out over WFH. But they have an answer - Lab Space, figuring that lab work would be tough to do from home. It's practically becoming a meme. Development projects are being changed, even existing office space is being converted. I don't know where they are going to find companies to fill it but the developers don't seem to care.

 

[K1052]

Tangentially related, I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to this... apparently real estate developers are freaking out over WFH. But they have an answer - Lab Space, figuring that lab work would be tough to do from home. It's practically becoming a meme. Development projects are being changed, even existing office space is being converted. I don't know where they are going to find companies to fill it but the developers don't seem to care.

Life sciences lab space is having kind of a mini-boom in Chicago though to be fair some of it was in the pipeline before COVID hit. Also a lot of office developers are flipping their office projects to residential with the blessing of the city. Apartment builds are just ripping along.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Get the vaccine. It works. And it's safe.

"Consider, though, that an estimated 60,000 people gathered in Provincetown over the Fourth of July holiday. Restaurants, bars and house parties were packed to the brim. Some of the infected reported prolonged close contact with others. Another conclusion is that this was the ultimate stress test of the vaccines and they passed with flying colors: Only about 1.6 percent were infected, just seven were hospitalized, and no one died."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1423265014832582662

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/04/delta-variant-risk-assessment-leana-wen/

 

[JM Aggie08]

I have 2 hold-outs that are close to me -- my sister + BIL, and my closest friend/best man at my wedding. I'm beyond patience at this point with them, though have not felt it my place to broach the subject. To me, there is no factual evidence that could possibly justify not getting vaccinated at this point, barring any actual medical reasons that you simply cannot get it. Moreover, I fundamentally believe that NO ONE I know, myself included, are anywhere near qualified to have any form of opinion that could stand against the fucking world's leading experts in virology/immunology/etc -- it's nothing short of pure fucking arrogance to think you can 'do your own research' and arrive to a conclusion that has the same legitimacy of combined 100s-1000s of years of expertise in these fields.

There are facts: This shit works, it is safe, and it is our best chance against combatting this mess.
There are opinions: Anything else that is not in line with the above, or communicated by folks who are in a position of expertise/authority on the matter. Full. Fucking. Stop.

My sister and BIL are both teachers, and both had COVID in 2020 -- they think they are just as protected. They still continue to see my grandmothers (who are vaccinated, but obviously Delta breakthrough is a concern for their demographic). They have 2 kids that have had sever reactions to RSV. I don't want my grandmothers to be killed or my niece/nephew to be compromised.

My buddy continues to go to his megachurch with his pregnant wife. They even refuse COVID tests if they/their child show symptoms. I'm at a fucking loss.

The arrogance, selfishness, and stupidity required to NOT get vaccinated at this point is so far from how I live my life/my way of thinking that I often find myself wondering if I am actually losing my mind -- how can people I love, so close to me, be such fucking pricks? I'm just mentally exhausted. I want to shake both of them and ask what the fuck is wrong with them...but obviously ain't getting near them for some time.

Rant over...just needed to let it out. Continue arbitrarily debating about Houston and NYC, you fucktards lol.

 

[MrSquished]

You can't dispute my first point as incorrect, so more bullcrap to spin.

My second point and you claimed "this is 100% false". Oh really? Directly from the Planning and Development Department of Houston.



Planning and Development (houstontx.gov)

You were saying? LOL x 100000000.

You need to stick to P+N and do what you do best, projecting your obsession about penis size.

Get lost.

You are playing a semantics game in order to double down on being wrong. Want to triple down?

Honestly it's amazing how people double down on ignorance and stupid upon being confronted by expert analysis, data, and facts that break down that while technically Houston does not have zoning laws, they have a shit ton of ordinances and regulations that accomplish very close to what actual zoning accomplishes in any city with zoning laws, with an exception here and there. Wackadoo things do happen due to lack of zoning laws but it's way more the exception than the rule. But, people of your political proclivities tend to ignore facts and live in a fantasy land. Keep on keeping on. It's impossible to fix the willfully ignorant/stupid.

I would again list all the things Houston has that accomplish what zoning laws do everywhere else, and re-link the article I did, and also link other articles that also break down the same shit, but you will put your hands over your ears and yell 'nan-e nan-e poo poo, I can't hear you' like we used to do as 6 year old kids when we didn't like what we were hearing from someone because we didn't want to deal with reality.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

My sister and BIL are both teachers, and both had COVID in 2020 -- they think they are just as protected. They still continue to see my grandmothers (who are vaccinated, but obviously Delta breakthrough is a concern for their demographic). They have 2 kids that have had sever reactions to RSV. I don't want my grandmothers to be killed or my niece/nephew to be compromised.

If they both had COVID... you realize they do have the antibodies, right? I mean, I'm not against "getting a booster" but trying to shove it down their throats when they DO infact have antibodies is very strange of this country.

Even Europe is pretty clear: They don't have any restrictions on anyone that is vaccinated - OR that have antibodies. We're the only ones that are trying to push this agenda that a vaccine is a requirement - even when you already have antibodies.

 

[Svnla]

Honestly it's amazing how people double down on ignorance and stupid upon being confronted by expert analysis, data, and facts that break down that while technically Houston does not have zoning laws, they have a shit ton of ordinances and regulations that accomplish very close to what actual zoning accomplishes in any city with zoning laws, with an exception here and there. But, people of your political proclivities tend to ignore facts and live in a fantasy land. Keep on keeping on. It's impossible to fix the willfully ignorant/stupid. Everything is quoted here for posterity.

So still NOTHING to dispute my point #1? Uh huh.

And what did you say about my point #2? Your own words "this is 100% false", not 80 or 90 percent or anything else but total 100%. What did the City of Houston say in which I quoted? So which is which? Uh huh x 100000000000.

You were saying something about "ignore facts and live in a fantasy land"? Keep on keeping on indeed. No "small penis/no penis" insult from you today? Quote here for posterity indeed. LOL. Willfully ignorant/stupid, eh? Look who is talking.

 

[Zorba]

I look at stock prices and market caps of Modern and BioNTech and it's obvious the market thinks covid will be around for very long time, possibly forever. Market is forward looking and that's what it sees.

The opportunity in the platform is massive, far beyond COVID. That is why I invested in Moderna before anyone had ever heard of COVID-19.

 

[MrSquished]

So still NOTHING to dispute my point #1? Uh huh.

And what did you say about my point #2? Your own words "this is 100% false". What did the City of Houston say in which I quoted? So which is which? Uh huh x 100000000000.

You were saying something about "ignore facts and live in a fantasy land"? Keep on keeping on indeed. No "small penis/no penis" insult from you today? Quote here for posterity indeed. LOL.

seriously? Hey keep looking insane. If that's your thing.

As far as your implication that Houston's lack of zoning makes it an 'almost anything goes' place, this is 100% false. Houston technically has no zoning laws, but while that has ended up in a few kind of wacky situations of a small house next to a large parking structure, those are the rare exception rather than the rule. Houston has a lot of ordinances, deed restrictions, density rules, setback rules, historic districts, parking maximums, etc... that basically provide the same regulations that other cities just lump in under zoning laws. Saying Houston has an anything goes zoning policy implying it's the wild west of building is completely wrong. It's just a play on words that is very misleading.

This video breaks it down well:

Article has some points in it also:

Forget What You’ve Heard, Houston Really Does Have Zoning (Sort Of) | Kinder Institute for Urban Research

kinder.rice.edu

The thing about Houston is it is pretty much like many other cities in the country, with both some good attributes, but also has pretty much all the same worst attributes of cities with zoning laws that have accumulated insane sprawl, like Los Angeles, and have become completely auto-dependent cities unfriendly to walkability, other non-auto forms of transit like bikes and have terrible mass transit systems and lots of segregation based on class and race that is a direct result of those very rules and regulations and ordinances. At least Los Angeles couldn't build high because of earthquakes and lack of engineering to combat that back in the day. Although chances are it may have ended up in a similar sprawl situation, but we'll never know.

One thing Houston might need zoning for is it's murder rate. It's 2x as high as Los Angeles and 3x higher than New York City in the last year. Maybe they should have a zoning ordinance against murder?

 

[Svnla]

seriously? Hey keep looking insane. If that's your thing.

Hey, you "FORGOT" this .Funny how you keep avoiding it even I mentioned it more than once.

............., this is 100% false

You were saying something about willfully ignorant/stupid? Once again, which is which? You or the City of Houston? Remember you claimed 100%, wanna bigger paddle to back track? LOL.

 

[ponyo]

The opportunity in the platform is massive, far beyond COVID. That is why I invested in Moderna before anyone had ever heard of COVID-19.

I get that. Which is why I considered buying stock in BioNTech when it was below $100 /shr and Ron Baron was talking about how mRNA tech is going to cure things like cancer and other diseases in the future. I should've followed Mr. Baron into both Moderna and BioNTech when I had the chance earlier this year. I thought both were fully priced, but I was wrong.

 

[MrSquished]

THIS IS 100% FALSE!

Keep going. So you are saying when I wrote "Houston has a lot of ordinances, deed restrictions, density rules, setback rules, historic districts, parking maximums, etc " (of which there are more I just listed some main ones) Which I pulled from various sources including the video and article I linked, are just making this shit up? And you are saying that entire analysis on the video and article I linked are complete bullshit?

This is fantastic, please keep posting lol

 

[Svnla]

Keep going. So you are saying when I wrote "Houston has a lot of ordinances, deed restrictions, density rules, setback rules, historic districts, parking maximums, etc " (of which there are more I just listed some main ones) Which I pulled from various sources including the video and article I linked, are just making this shit up? And you are saying that entire analysis on the video and article I linked are complete bullshit?

This is fantastic, please keep posting lol

You claimed my post i(in which I based on the law from the City of Houston) as 100% false (that's an ABSOLUTE statement) and I posted the very own words from the City of Houston to back me up. So which is which? You or the City of Houston? Are you going to answer that or keep ranting more? Gotta love how you try so hard to spin instead of man up and answer a simple question.

Edit: One more thing, gotta love how you try to put your own words as mine. I never claimed "wild wild west" as you claimed, I never said anything about you were making shit up or completely bullshit. Just as another poster said to another poster in another thread a while back......"you have the right of not understand what I say but not the right of saying things that I did not say".

 

[echo4747]

how exactly are is it being determined how someone who tests positive for covid-19 has the alpha,delta,or some other variant?... Doesn't something like that require genomic sequencing?

 

[gill77]

If they both had COVID... you realize they do have the antibodies, right? I mean, I'm not against "getting a booster" but trying to shove it down their throats when they DO infact have antibodies is very strange of this country.

Even Europe is pretty clear: They don't have any restrictions on anyone that is vaccinated - OR that have antibodies. We're the only ones that are trying to push this agenda that a vaccine is a requirement - even when you already have antibodies.

The real kicker is that it's mostly Delta now. The vaccinated are now transmitting the virus as well.

Will those with natural immunity become the new anointed ones?

 

[Svnla]

how exactly are is it being determined how someone who tests positive for covid-19 has the alpha,delta,or some other variant?... Doesn't something like that require genomic sequencing?

Good question. I was wondering about that. South Korea said it had at least 2 cases of the "newer" Delta aka "Delta Plus". How do they determine which is which (this is Delta and this is Delta plus and this is ....). Will "newer" ones come out later...aka..."x"..."y"...."z".

S.Korea on alert for new Delta Plus COVID-19 variant | Reuters

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[MrSquished]

You claimed my post as 100% false (that's an ABSOLUTE statement) and I posted the very own words from the City of Houston to back me up. So which is which? You or the City of Houston? Are you going to answer that or keep ranting more? Gotta love how you try so hard to spin instead of man up and answer simple question.

You are selectively quoting. This is the convo

One thing I dislike about Houston the most, even more than its humidity/heat during summer and the horrible traffic, is the almost anything goes in zoning (house), or lack of it.

and I used this full sentence

As far as your implication that Houston's lack of zoning makes it an 'almost anything goes' place, this is 100% false.

again, your implication that the 'building' rules that we commonly call as zoning, are basically an almost anything goes scenario in Houston, is total bullshit, and I proved why. Almost anything goes implies virtually no rules. I stated there are some wacky occurrences in Houston from their own formula, but when you break it down there are a shit ton of rules of how and what you can build, to the point it's far from an almost anything goes, it's there are rules for most of what you can do, with some exceptions. Which, makes it just about like zoning in any other city, and the sources I used back it up.

And you conveniently snip out the first part of my sentence because you have your own reasons for being so dishonest or so delusional.

 

[Svnla]

So which is which? You or the City of Houston? Last call because I am not going to play your pathetic game. Oh, don't forget my edit above about how you love to put your own words as mine. You were talking something about dishonest?

 

[Zorba]

I get that. Which is why I considered buying stock in BioNTech when it was below $100 /shr and Ron Baron was talking about how mRNA tech is going to cure things like cancer and other diseases in the future. I should've followed Mr. Baron into both Moderna and BioNTech when I had the chance earlier this year. I thought both were fully priced, but I was wrong.

Yeah, I bought in at $19, thought $50-60 would be full price... Really wish I would've bought a lot more.

 

[Zorba]

Will you guys take the zoning argument to PN, there are several threads over there with similar debates.

 

[Zorba]

how exactly are is it being determined how someone who tests positive for covid-19 has the alpha,delta,or some other variant?... Doesn't something like that require genomic sequencing?

They do genomic sequencing on a certain number of positive samples, but not all.

 

[echo4747]

They do genomic sequencing on a certain number of positive samples, but not all.

I wonder what percentage of cases they are sequencing... I think sequencing is time consuming and a quite expensive type of testing.. The smaller the numbers actual samples tested the greater the chance for larger errors.