NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Svnla]

Two weeks shut down already? How about another two weeks for the largest city in the country and other provinces too. The working poor folks are screwed because no work = no money = no food/money for rent and other expenses.

HCMC, 18 southern localities extend social distancing for another two weeks - VnExpress International

Containers to store bodies.

As COVID-19 cases surge, Thai hospital uses containers to store bodies

BANGKOK: A Thai hospital morgue overwhelmed by COVID-19 deaths has begun storing bodies in refrigerated containers, resorting to a measure it last took in a devastating 2004 tsunami, as the country grapples with its biggest coronavirus outbreak.Thailand on Saturday (Jul 31) reported a daily...

www.channelnewsasia.com

Record high number in ICU in Malaysia.

More than 183,000 active COVID-19 cases in Malaysia amid record ICU numbers

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia marked a record 183,706 active COVID-19 cases as of Friday (Jul 30) as health authorities also grappled with an all-time high of critically ill

www.channelnewsasia.com

Look like travel to Asia countries will be on hold for a long while.
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[Brainonska511]

It'd be difficult with us. As of now, you need executive permission just to go into the office, and even then its mask up, temp check at the door, etc.

Yeah, I was thinking more long term, after covid settles down.

Many in my company were office-based pre-COVID. I haven't followed office reopening very closely, but I believe the office is allowing 1/4-1/2 capacity. You don't need permission to get in, but you need to do the following: a) send in proof of vaccination for it to be cataloged; b) book a desk ~2 days in advance; c) day-of screening questions about any symptoms. Some of my colleagues have taken advantage of the office reopening - I think they like the change of scenery, and it's nice to be able to see people, especially if you want to have some group meetings.

 

[Caveman]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc...tts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

Interesting data. The good news is there were no deaths among the vaccinated or those not vaccinated.

 

[Zorba]

I think the current best guess is, it prevents an infection from landing you in a hospital 99% of the time, but it doesn't prevent you from spreading it, as immunization usually would to a virus. Normally by the time the virus has replicated enough to reasonably start infecting others, your immune system goes all sparta on it. This replicates so damned fast that you're breathing it out before your immune system has a chance to start firing up... Like, within hours of infection you're a vector.

Anyhow, not sure how to get rid of it assuming the above is true. A handful of people in an office could just bounce it between themselves and their families in perpetuity.

I know some companies are working on nasal spray vaccines, that in theory should give a better/fast response in the upper respiratory track.

If everyone gets a vaccine or is exposed, so an infection just becomes a bad cold, not sure we truly have to "get rid of it."

 

[Zorba]

Just saw this. A company has made animal vaccines and is giving it away to zoos across the country (for the moment at least).

Zoetis Donates COVID-19 Vaccines to Help Support the Health of Zoo Animals

Oakland Zoo is first zoo to protect large cats and bears against COVID-19 using the experimental vaccine uniquely formulated for animals Zoetis is donating more than 11,000 doses of its experimental COVID-19 vaccine to help protect the health and well-being of more than 100 mammalian species...

news.zoetis.com

 

[gill77]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc...tts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

Interesting data. The good news is there were no deaths among the vaccinated or those not vaccinated.

Key Points

• About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC.
• The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people.

 

[Muse]

Just posted at my local Nextdoor site, by a friend of the poster. This person is in Orlando, Florida, said to be "extremely fit":

My "Breakthrough Case" Experience - After a wonderful dinner at Ocean Prime, we went out past our bedtime to join friends downtown to celebrate my birthday on Saturday, July 3rd. Once inside Corona, we took off our masks, all of us were vaccinated and we passed a great time together in a crowded and festive bar. Monday I was annoyingly tired but I did yardwork and hit the gym (masked as always) anyway. I went to bed early and woke up late Tuesday; it was hard to swallow and I had spiked a fever overnight, my sheets were soaked. I was sick with massive headaches like never before, bodyaches and sore throat, and I rode a fever for the next 12 days from my bedroom. On day 13, I went to my doctor after the fever finally broke. Today I am passed the symptoms and continue to recover. I have not been so sick for so long for as long as I can remember. I am a COVID-19 "breakthrough case". After doing the right thing for over a year, I caught the Delta variant and it made me sick. I fear I passed it on, and of course anyone could have passed it on to me, vaccinated or unvaccinated, that night or anytime/place really - at the gym, dinner or even from my husband who works with a COVID unit at a nursing home. But that night, we were unmasked per the CDC advice at the time which we now know was premature. That said, the vaccine may well have saved me a trip to the ER, or worse. The vaccine did not keep me from contracting the virus and unfortunately, possibly sharing it. I know of two others whose paths we crossed that Saturday who tested positive when I did and one (unvaccinated) got sick along with her family. This is my experience, draw your own conclusions; I won't tell anyone what to do. By now you know the right thing to do for your own health and the health of others. Me? I will continue to follow the science and advice of local leaders. I will be limiting exposure, practicing safety protocols and wearing my mask in public. And I will be first in line for the booster. For my own health and for the greater good.

 

[K1052]

Just posted at my local Nextdoor site, by a friend of the poster. This person is in Orlando, Florida, said to be "extremely fit":

My "Breakthrough Case" Experience - After a wonderful dinner at Ocean Prime, we went out past our bedtime to join friends downtown to celebrate my birthday on Saturday, July 3rd. Once inside Corona, we took off our masks, all of us were vaccinated and we passed a great time together in a crowded and festive bar. Monday I was annoyingly tired but I did yardwork and hit the gym (masked as always) anyway. I went to bed early and woke up late Tuesday; it was hard to swallow and I had spiked a fever overnight, my sheets were soaked. I was sick with massive headaches like never before, bodyaches and sore throat, and I rode a fever for the next 12 days from my bedroom. On day 13, I went to my doctor after the fever finally broke. Today I am passed the symptoms and continue to recover. I have not been so sick for so long for as long as I can remember. I am a COVID-19 "breakthrough case". After doing the right thing for over a year, I caught the Delta variant and it made me sick. I fear I passed it on, and of course anyone could have passed it on to me, vaccinated or unvaccinated, that night or anytime/place really - at the gym, dinner or even from my husband who works with a COVID unit at a nursing home. But that night, we were unmasked per the CDC advice at the time which we now know was premature. That said, the vaccine may well have saved me a trip to the ER, or worse. The vaccine did not keep me from contracting the virus and unfortunately, possibly sharing it. I know of two others whose paths we crossed that Saturday who tested positive when I did and one (unvaccinated) got sick along with her family. This is my experience, draw your own conclusions; I won't tell anyone what to do. By now you know the right thing to do for your own health and the health of others. Me? I will continue to follow the science and advice of local leaders. I will be limiting exposure, practicing safety protocols and wearing my mask in public. And I will be first in line for the booster. For my own health and for the greater good.

Sick at home instead of sick in the hospital or in the ground is pretty pretty good. I got the flu last year and his/her experience is about the same as what I had.

 

[Brainonska511]

Sick at home instead of sick in the hospital or in the ground is pretty pretty good. I got the flu last year and his/her experience is about the same as what I had.

Yep. The vaccines are doing their job - preventing hospitalization and death.

It could certainly suck if you get a breakthrough infection when vaccinated, but it's better than being in the ICU and dying.

If only more people would get vaccinated to reduce the unvaccinated pool of people that are throwing fuel on the fire...

 

[blackangst1]

Yeah, I was thinking more long term, after covid settles down.

Many in my company were office-based pre-COVID. I haven't followed office reopening very closely, but I believe the office is allowing 1/4-1/2 capacity. You don't need permission to get in, but you need to do the following: a) send in proof of vaccination for it to be cataloged; b) book a desk ~2 days in advance; c) day-of screening questions about any symptoms. Some of my colleagues have taken advantage of the office reopening - I think they like the change of scenery, and it's nice to be able to see people, especially if you want to have some group meetings.

Yeah we're similar. No more than 25% capacity, reserve a desk with iOffice. I always joke in our department meetings we're gonna go to the office to sit on Teams virtual meetings all day lol.

 

[Brainonska511]

Yeah we're similar. No more than 25% capacity, reserve a desk with iOffice. I always joke in our department meetings we're gonna go to the office to sit on Teams virtual meetings all day lol.

I know that some teams have tried to coordinate their office visits, but it does seem like that - people go in to sit on Teams, lol.

 

[blackangst1]

I know that some teams have tried to coordinate their office visits, but it does seem like that - people go in to sit on Teams, lol.

Yeah. The plan is to go back to office in Sept, with everyone on the same team all going in. At least for me as a network security engineer, 99% of my meetings involve other teams...software platforms, cloud team, server team, desktop team, etc so that means virtual meetings.

 

[K1052]

My husband has been going in to the office ahead of the official full return. Some amount of people are going at least part of the week just to get out of the house.

 

[Caveman]

Yep. The vaccines are doing their job - preventing hospitalization and death.

It could certainly suck if you get a breakthrough infection when vaccinated, but it's better than being in the ICU and dying.

If only more people would get vaccinated to reduce the unvaccinated pool of people that are throwing fuel on the fire...

Key Points

• About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC.
• The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people.

On a related note (though I have not had time to vet) was a study I saw the that indicated the safest folks to be around are the unvaccinated that have already had the virus. They're less likely to be carriers of the virus since their natural immunity is 40X stronger against fighting a new variant than someone with a vaccination. Also, as the data from the CNBC link above says, there were more vaccinated than unvaccinated in the case who were infected. This is appearing in other places and is why the CDC is recommending all wear masks now based on these data. If in fact symptoms are minimized for the vaccinated, they would by definition be the dominant spreaders since they would not be aware they are sick. The good news in the CNCBC data is that not a single person in all who were infected (vaxxed or unvaxxed) died.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Wanna see data on that. Everything I've read said the vaccines are giving some like 6 fold greater protection than post-infection immunity?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They're less likely to be carriers of the virus since their natural immunity is 40X stronger against fighting a new variant than someone with a vaccination.

Peer reviewed citation, or stop spreading antivax misinformation.

 

[Muse]

Video makes these points (among others):

Lack of 2nd dose is a big reason Delta is surging in American midwest (just one dose is largely ineffective in preventing infection).

A single dose of vaccine majorly boosts immune response to Delta for those previously infected with covid-19.

Cites studies, reveals data:

 

[allisolm]

And for the milestones in Florida:

Not only does FL have more new cases for the last 2 days straight than at any time since the start of the pandemic but it has a record number of hospitalizations.

My county has 2 hospitals and one of them has a record number of covid patients. More than at any time in the pandemic. More than they had before vaccines were invented. 93% are unvaccinated and all of the ICU patients are unvaccinated. And these are otherwise healthy people 20-50. The second hospital is single digits short of the all time high in hospitalizations.

I'm back to wearing a mask inside and I feel like we're back to square one.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Animal reservoirs may be an important thing to keep track of as well.

"385 blood samples collected as part of regular wildlife-surveillance activities between January and March 2021 in four US states — Michigan, Pennsylvania, Illinois and New York. They found that a striking 40% of the samples contained SARS-CoV-2 antibodies,"

The coronavirus is rife in common US deer

Survey results show that many white-tailed deer, a familiar sight on US lawns and golf courses, have antibodies to SARS-CoV-2.

www.nature.com

 

[thestrangebrew1]

A couple we're friends with were non-vaxxers and have covid now. The wife is pretty healthy and she has symptoms and feels like crap. Her husband is super sick and has been in the hospital for the last 5 days. They were going to intubate him on Saturday but his levels increased and by yesterday the docs felt like he was well enough to feed some real food. We're all hoping he doesn't regress but we'll see. This is probably the worst of all the people I've known to have caught covid.

 

[Svnla]

New cases are popping up in mainland china -

Two more parts of China report COVID-19 outbreaks - CNA (channelnewsasia.com)

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The problem is bigger than it was reported. So now questions are raised about the zero infection and the efficacy of the vaccine.

China Covid outbreak: Delta variant challenges zero infection strategy — and raises questions over its vaccine efficacy | CNN

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[Torn Mind]

The problem is bigger than it was reported. So now questions are raised about the zero infection and the efficacy of the vaccine.

China Covid outbreak: Delta variant challenges zero infection strategy — and raises questions over its vaccine efficacy | CNN

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Delta's just an example of COVID's ability to play whack-a-mole....they will not contain it but I'm sure they will cover up the full extent of the chaos that will come down through China. .

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422550794872791051

 

[Zorba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422550794872791051

Too bad the places it's needed the most won't do it.

 

[K1052]

Too bad the places it's needed the most won't do it.

Lot of people from those places go to NYC though for work or tourism.

Sooner rather than later the TSA should require vaccination proof for air travel.