NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Kaido]

NY Times (unfortunately paywalled) has all the info:

With First Dibs on Vaccines, Rich Countries Have ‘Cleared the Shelves’ (Published 2020)

The U.S., Britain, Canada and others are hedging their bets, reserving doses that far outnumber their populations, as many poorer nations struggle to secure enough.

www.nytimes.com

To over-summarize, most vaccines are committed to high-income or upper-middle-income countries. Poor countries really need the AstraZeneca and Novavax vaccines to succeed, or as sdifox noted, for rich countries to donate leftover doses.

Earlier when I said "rest of world," I was implying all the countries that can't afford either the Pfizer ($20 per dose) or Moderna ($36 per dose) vaccines.

They should do a donation type of thing, i.e. one dose for a first-world country equals one (or heck, four) doses for a third-world country.

Economics vs. existing power structures is such a funny thing because bureaucracy just kind of crops up in any system over time, just like the old snake video game where you grow longer as time goes on, which makes things like monetary & supply distribution difficult, not necessarily due to anyone's fault in particular. Politics aside, lol:

 

[CZroe]

I'm watching a playthru of the original Dues Ex. Seems they had it right 20 years ago. This virus, and the special treatment the wealthy are getting. How people in the video game thought that the virus was man made. A few NPCs make this comment in the game. Do video games initate real life?

Deus Ex, not Dues Ex.

Pronounced "Day Us-X" and meaning "From/Of God" in Latin.

 

[Captante]

I get out most every day, I just don't go indoors with other people. Not until I'm immunized.

Just giving you a hard time! 🙂

 

[manly]

In other vaccine news, NYT reports PutinVac has a customer! 😵

Mexico began its coronavirus vaccination campaign on Thursday, becoming the first country in Latin America to do so, and providing a sliver of hope to the population amid a roaring resurgence of the virus.
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The first doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine also arrived in Costa Rica overnight, and Chile is expecting its first 10,000 doses vaccine on Thursday. In Argentina, the first 300,000 doses of Russia’s Sputnik V landed in Buenos Aires on Thursday morning.

Just giving you a hard time! 🙂

yeah I was actually ragging on the "peanut gallery" telling Muse what to do with his own health.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm watching a playthru of the original Dues Ex. Seems they had it right 20 years ago. This virus, and the special treatment the wealthy are getting. How people in the video game thought that the virus was man made. A few NPCs make this comment in the game. Do video games initate real life?

Not exactly, the stuff they bring up in game is already well known to historians and sociologists. History generally works in cycles and they repeat fairly reliably. Life gets good, people get soft and lazy and stupid and start whining about dumb shit, something bad happens (frequently a pandemic) and we all of a sudden realize our governing bodies are basically incompetent, people panic, bad shit goes down, society collapses, somebody strong but brutal comes along, organizes everyone, society rebuilds, things work for a while, and repeat.

Its gone on for most of humanities 30,000 year relationship with civilization. And most of us never learn, because the one thing people in power dont want you to have is knowledge.

 

[Zorba]

I constantly feel short-tempered when daring to venture to the shop. The whole business is stressful, including not being able to *&^&%&^&* see anything because of my glasses fogging up every two seconds. Constantly feel waves of irritation at people not leaving space, or ignoring the shop's rule on mask-wearing.

Have to keep calm, just get in, and rush round for essentials, and get out again, though. Though another source of irritation is the shop's insistence on moving things around and putting goods in different places from what I'm used to. I get that they do that in normal times to try and get people to spent more time in the shop and possibly buy things they normally wouldn't, but why make me spend time searching for stuff when there's a pandemic on?

Either sew a wire on the nose of your mask, or buy some masks with a stiff metal top. I use 14ga copper wire, makes a huge difference on the fogging.

 

[Zorba]

Here in Portugal, they have to: the fines for non compliance are VERY steep for the shop owners: quite a bit higher than an order of magnitude more than for individuals.

IMO, the fines for individuals aren't high enough, @ least in Portugal.

No fines at all where I live. Freedumb and shit. But if a woman walked in without a shirt, she'd be put on the sex offender list.

 

[shortylickens]

No fines at all where I live. Freedumb and shit. But if a woman walked in without a shirt, she'd be put on the sex offender list.

Depends on where you live.

In Eugene woman are allowed to be topless.

 

[Zorba]

Depends on where you live.

In Eugene woman are allowed to be topless.

Where I live = Oklahoma, titties will ruin kid's lives here.

 

[Zorba]

We just crossed 1 million Americans vaccinated, which is awesome:

US passes 1 million people vaccinated for coronavirus | CNN

The nearly yearlong coronavirus pandemic has been full of gloomy numbers but Wednesday brought an encouraging one -- more than 1 million people have received their first shot of a Covid-19 vaccine.

www.cnn.com

Hopefully summer will get back to normal!

This is embarrassing slow. If the vaccinations can't keep up with vaccine delivery, more phases should be opened up. 7M shipped doses needs to be turned into 7M vaccinations before the next lot of 7M doses is shipped.

At this rate we'll all be vaccinated around 2026.

I get that there are some growing pains, but we give out around 150M flu shots in a 3 month period every year. You'd think we could figure this out.

 

[Muse]

This is embarrassing slow. If the vaccinations can't keep up with vaccine delivery, more phases should be opened up. 7M shipped doses needs to be turned into 7M vaccinations before the next lot of 7M doses is shipped.

At this rate we'll all be vaccinated around 2026.

I get that there are some growing pains, but we give out around 150M flu shots in a 3 month period every year. You'd think we could figure this out.

We're gonna have a different administration very shortly, and my money's on them being 10x more competent than the cronies of the douche bag in the White House. The general running Warp Speed seems pretty on it, but he's just one guy. Azar's only semi-functional.

 

[Muse]

I get out most every day, I just don't go indoors with other people. Not until I'm immunized.

I'm gonna do my first curbside pickup tomorrow.

 

[jpiniero]

This is embarrassing slow. If the vaccinations can't keep up with vaccine delivery, more phases should be opened up. 7M shipped doses needs to be turned into 7M vaccinations before the next lot of 7M doses is shipped.

At this rate we'll all be vaccinated around 2026.

I get that there are some growing pains, but we give out around 150M flu shots in a 3 month period every year. You'd think we could figure this out.

100% agree but I think this is deliberate. They are using the hospital workers like a Phase 4. Like the NBA came out and said they "didn't want to skip the line" yet there's millions of the Pfizer vaccine sitting in a warehouse right now. And they for sure have the resources to be able to administer the vaccine.

 

[Kaido]

This is embarrassing slow. If the vaccinations can't keep up with vaccine delivery, more phases should be opened up. 7M shipped doses needs to be turned into 7M vaccinations before the next lot of 7M doses is shipped.

At this rate we'll all be vaccinated around 2026.

I get that there are some growing pains, but we give out around 150M flu shots in a 3 month period every year. You'd think we could figure this out.

Kinda nuts that everyone won't be vaccinated until summer, based on what they're saying...

 

[pmv]

Deus Ex, not Dues Ex.

Pronounced "Day Us-X" and meaning "From/Of God" in Latin.

Surely it's pronounced "Day o' sex"? It didn't really live up to the name.

 

[Zorba]

100% agree but I think this is deliberate. They are using the hospital workers like a Phase 4. Like the NBA came out and said they "didn't want to skip the line" yet there's millions of the Pfizer vaccine sitting in a warehouse right now. And they for sure have the resources to be able to administer the vaccine.

Yeah, I get the phasing. But 1A is big enough to consume the amount of vaccine given to them this far, but apparently a lot of of hospitals are just storing it and slow rolling the deployment. Or the official numbers are way off, which is probably pretty likely.

What I mean is if hospitals and nursing homes can't deploy it at the same rate they receive it at, we should open phase 1B as well so we can increase the deployment rate to match the production rate. I want healthcare workers yo go first too, but I'd rather a firefighter or senior citizen get it now, as opposed to it sitting in a freezer for a month waiting on a nurse.

 

[Muse]

Yeah, I get the phasing. But 1A is big enough to consume the amount of vaccine given to them this far, but apparently a lot of of hospitals are just storing it and slow rolling the deployment. Or the official numbers are way off, which is probably pretty likely.

What I mean is if hospitals and nursing homes can't deploy it at the same rate they receive it at, we should open phase 1B as well so we can increase the deployment rate to match the production rate. I want healthcare workers yo go first too, but I'd rather a firefighter or senior citizen get it now, as opposed to it sitting in a freezer for a month waiting on a nurse.

Being in 1b, I can't complain about this assessment. I'm not antsy, honestly my fear is that I won't get mine when I should, i.e. that my medical provider fucks up their scheduling/deployment, I don't get that email when I should. Competency/efficiency is a great thing but it's not the rule.

 

[Muse]

Kinda nuts that everyone won't be vaccinated until summer, based on what they're saying...

Azar claims general public is getting shots in quarter 2. I'm not laying bets.

 

[Svnla]

This is embarrassing slow. If the vaccinations can't keep up with vaccine delivery, more phases should be opened up. 7M shipped doses needs to be turned into 7M vaccinations before the next lot of 7M doses is shipped.

At this rate we'll all be vaccinated around 2026.

I get that there are some growing pains, but we give out around 150M flu shots in a 3 month period every year. You'd think we could figure this out.

No kidding. Bad logistic/coordination.

Friend sent me this story about what was going on her neck of the wood. Doses of "thawed" vaccine sent "unexpected" to a large hospital. Hopefully those doses were still good.

600 thawed doses of COVID-19 vaccine delivered to Ochsner LSU Health Shreveport; hospital officials release statement (ksla.com)

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[ch33zw1z]

No kidding. Bad logistic/coordination.

Friend sent me this story about what was going on her neck of the wood. Doses of "thawed" vaccine sent "unexpected" to a large hospital. Hopefully those doses were still good.

600 thawed doses of COVID-19 vaccine delivered to Ochsner LSU Health Shreveport; hospital officials release statement (ksla.com)

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I'm curious why you would use quotes around words that are used in the article. In clearly states the doses were received thawed, and that the doses were unexpected.

The article / statement is that they take responsibility for the confusion, but doesnt state why the confusion took place. I am curious where the break down was.

Edit: also, the health org said they used it all, so vaccinations given did keep up with vaccines received so far (at least the 250 they specifically used), but they don't give more info where the other 350 doses went)

 

[ch33zw1z]

If you look back at the statements from the professionals, Q3 2021 was a good best case estimate for returning to some semblance of normal. Looks like we're still on that path.

 

[Muse]

Does anybody have any handle on the latency period of covid-19? IOW, if someone is exposed to the virus, how soon might that person be infectious?

 

[manly]

Does anybody have any handle on the latency period of covid-19? IOW, if someone is exposed to the virus, how soon might that person be infectious?

Off the top of my head, they're infectious within a few days and it peaks at around 5 days.

 

[shortylickens]

Kinda nuts that everyone won't be vaccinated until summer, based on what they're saying...

No, it isnt nuts.
Theres 325 million people in this country and ALL of us are getting that vaccine for the first time.

 

[manly]

I'm curious why you would use quotes around words that are used in the article. In clearly states the doses were received thawed, and that the doses were unexpected.

The article / statement is that they take responsibility for the confusion, but doesnt state why the confusion took place. I am curious where the break down was.

Edit: also, the health org said they used it all, so vaccinations given did keep up with vaccines received so far (at least the 250 they specifically used), but they don't give more info where the other 350 doses went)

Did you read the article? /s