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brainhulk

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Muse said:
Seems that they have identified 6 types of symptom clusters, not necessarily 6 different strains of the virus.
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the team found that these types differed in the severity of the disease and the need for respiratory support during hospitalisation.

The findings have major implications for clinical management of COVID-19, and could help doctors predict who is most at risk and likely to need hospital care in a second wave of coronavirus infections.
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This is the key take away. As of right now if you start getting symptoms, you are told to self quarantine, buy a pulse ox, and come back to the hospital if your O2 sat gets less than 92% (basically wait until you are in advanced disease). Hopefully with more data like this we can identify those who will likely progress to severe illness and provide care earlier if more anti-virals (and hopefully better) become available.
 
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Muse said:
When hand sanitizer was AFAIK impossible to find 6-8 weeks ago? I ordered a small bottle of Aloe Vera off Amazon and mixed some with 90% rubbing alcohol that I've had for years. Have used it a time or two. It's pretty watery, don't know if that's to be expected.

A few weeks ago my shopper bought me a bottle of hand sanitizer at the local indy supermarket. I haven't opened it... it's sitting by my front door. I suppose I'll look at the ingredients list. I'd expect isopropyl alcohol.
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The CDC recommends minimum 60% ethanol/70% isopropanol to be effective at killing CoV-2. There are non alcohol based hand sanitizers on the market, and while they generally kill microbes, it is believed they are not effective against CoV-2. Definitely check the label to make sure.
 
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brainhulk said:
This is the key take away. As of right now if you start getting symptoms, you are told to self quarantine, buy a pulse ox, and come back to the hospital if your O2 sat gets less than 92% (basically wait until you are in advanced disease). Hopefully with more data like this we can identify those who will likely progress to severe illness and provide care earlier if more anti-virals (and hopefully better) become available.
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I already have a pulse oximeter. I figure if I wait until I need one I might have trouble getting it in time so I ordered a couple months ago.
 
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Ichinisan said:
Well COVID-19 refers to the disease manifestation anyway (not specifically to the virus).
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True, but I have heard of at least 2 different strains of the virus and that was at least 6 weeks ago so I was wondering if they've discovered more or there have been further mutations.
 
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K1052 said:
Good primate results showing protection from two dose RNA vaccine regimen. Another hopeful signpost that RNA vaccines will be protective in humans.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288189294419382273
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I'm hopeful that by this time next year we'll have a leg up on this. I'll be early in line with my risk factor profile. I'm not too worried about getting a headache or sore arm!

Edit: I don't see how my volunteering for vaccine testing makes any sense. I'm SIP, so I'm highly unlikely to contract covid-19. I'm not willing to go out more, take more chances just because I have a 50% chance of having gotten a trial vaccination and not a placebo. Makes sense?
 
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manly said:
The CDC recommends minimum 60% ethanol/70% isopropanol to be effective at killing CoV-2. There are non alcohol based hand sanitizers on the market, and while they generally kill microbes, it is believed they are not effective against CoV-2. Definitely check the label to make sure.
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I just checked:

Rx CLEANSE

HAND SANITIZER

8 FL OZ

SD Alcohol 70%

Inactive Ingredients: water, polyethylene glycol, glycerin, aloe vera, peppermint oil, tea tree oil.

SD Alcohol

Also known as simply "SDA," SD Alcohol is specially denatured ethyl alcohol, which means it has been rendered undrinkable and is thus not taxed in the same...
everything2.com everything2.com
 
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K1052

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Muse said:
I'm hopeful that by this time next year we'll have a leg up on this. I'll be early in line with my risk factor profile. I'm not too worried about getting a headache or sore arm!

Edit: I don't see how my volunteering for vaccine testing makes any sense. I'm SIP, so I'm highly unlikely to contract covid-19. I'm not willing to go out more, take more chances just because I have a 50% chance of having gotten a trial vaccination and not a placebo. Makes sense?
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I think one or more candidates will clear before the end of the year. Limited use probably November/December and shifting to mass deployment the first few months of 2021.
 
Fanatical Meat

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K1052 said:
I think one or more candidates will clear before the end of the year. Limited use probably November/December and shifting to mass deployment the first few months of 2021.
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That’s my guy feeling too, beginning 2021 there will be some sort of vaccine that will either prevent death or reduce infection.
 
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K1052 said:
I think one or more candidates will clear before the end of the year. Limited use probably November/December and shifting to mass deployment the first few months of 2021.
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Trump losing would be for me a "shot in the arm." Covid-19 vaccinations would be cherries on top. I think I'd go out there and join some demonstrations!
 
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K1052 said:
Reading about some of the long haul patients and the organ damage they are finding in people makes me unwilling to assume much risk.
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A friend of mine asked me how I've managed to stay so vital. This was maybe 20 years ago. I told him (literally) "it's a lot of work!"

He asked me a year or two ago how I've managed to stay so healthy. I gave him pretty much the same answer.

I do not want to get covid-19. I figure my chances of "survival" are better than the average person my age, a lot better, but what are my chances of being "100%" after infection and "recovery?" Not as good!
 
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EU countries are having new case spiking up. Latin America region has the highest number of infections in the world (Peru has almost 390K cases). The US is not alone.

Lebanon is having an economic meltdown now, on top of the virus mess.
 
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Svnla said:
EU countries are having new case spiking up. Latin America region has the highest number of infections in the world (Peru has almost 390K cases). The US is not alone.

Lebanon is having an economic meltdown now, on top of the virus mess.
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Europeans can't resist flying to Spain to party down and apparently Spain can't resist letting them. All said though I'd rather be in Germany (350 cases yesterday) than here (55,000 cases yesterday.
 
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Fanatical Meat

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K1052 said:
Europeans can't resist flying to Spain to party down and apparently Spain can't resist letting them. All said though I'd rather be in Germany (350 cases yesterday) than here (55,000 cases yesterday.
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I really feel we all have a case of quarantine fatigue.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
I use borax for cleaning & laundry.
I’m no expert but to my understanding the lather is what encapsulates virus(es) then the water washes it away.
Borax doesn’t lather well. I’d go to a more standard soap.
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"Borax has excellent antiseptic, antifungal, and antiviral properties with mild antibacterial action."

Plus, Boraxo has soap in it as a major ingredient.
Fanatical Meat said:
I really feel we all have a case of quarantine fatigue.
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Not me, I have no compulsion to go out there. I think I'm gonna drive my car 15-20 miles tomorrow morning, haven't used it in a month (battery's been on charger though).
 
K1052

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Fanatical Meat said:
That’s my guy feeling too, beginning 2021 there will be some sort of vaccine that will either prevent death or reduce infection.
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Yeah first generation vaccines for this likely to be in the "good enough for now" category. I expect most of the candidates will allow some level of infection without progression which would not be unheard of for a vaccine.
 
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Grey_Beard said:
These work well for oil and grease, since they are also good at removing a layer or two of skin given their abrasive ingredients. I would suggest that you put lotion on afterward to help with drying or cracking of your hands. The part of hand washing that works well for the virus and germs in general is friction. The friction of your hands does more than any soap in killing germs, bacteria and viruses. The reason for the 30 second washing is to allow the friction to build heat on your skin to kill the virus. Good hand washing technique is something that should be taught but is not. Do not forget about the back of your hands and under your finger nails.

Here is good video to check your technique.

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I gotta admit... I got a little turned on by that video.
 
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