NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[shortylickens]

Well, it is a stimulus fund.

they didnt mean your girlfriends southern regions.

 

[brianmanahan]

I gotta admit... I got a little turned on by that video.

 

[Grey_Beard]

I gotta admit... I got a little turned on by that video.

I am glad she got your attention.

 

[Denly]

I recently tossed a 8oz bottle of sanitizer because like the small bottle it smelled undesirably bad, chemical/earthy kind of smell. I was too freaked out by it.
I’m no longer buying sanitizer from Mexico my China ban is back in effect since I can now buy it from more reputable sources.

I have been buying Made local(Canada) sanitizer since the start, they cost more but got to help local business. Check ur local distiller they should be making them.

 

[K1052]

NBA and players association says they have zero positive tests. Pretty good.

MLB should have bubbled in San Diego instead of this traveling nonsense.

 

[Muse]

NBA and players association says they have zero positive tests. Pretty good.

MLB should have bubbled in San Diego instead of this traveling nonsense.

Fair chance MLB will cancel the season. Around 40% of the marlins traveling roster is positive. OMG.

 

[manly]

NBA and players association says they have zero positive tests. Pretty good.

MLB should have bubbled in San Diego instead of this traveling nonsense.

MLB considered using Florida and Arizona training complex sites as bubbles. It was probably feasible, but not something that the players would enjoy for nearly 5 months (for eventual World Series participants). Mike Trout, the game's best player, would almost certainly have opted out of a bubble since his wife is due soon. Every team plays 6 games a week so I doubt San Diego was ever a candidate, since you need a handful of ballparks to make it work.

The Marlins are currently a scrub, money-losing team anyway so if they have to shut down just that team, MLB would do it. When MLS restarted play in Orlando, it lost 2 teams to infections.

 

[K1052]

MLB considered using Florida and Arizona training complex sites as bubbles. It was probably feasible, but not something that the players would enjoy for nearly 5 months (for eventual World Series participants). Mike Trout, the game's best player, would almost certainly have opted out of a bubble since his wife is due soon. Every team plays 6 games a week so I doubt San Diego was ever a candidate, since you need a handful of ballparks to make it work.

The Marlins are currently a scrub, money-losing team anyway so if they have to shut down just that team, MLB would do it. When MLS restarted play in Orlando, it lost 2 teams to infections.

It is about 110F in PHX and Florida is in shooting gallery for tropical storms/hurricanes until November.

SD has acceptable weather through the entire season. 1 MLB field, at least a couple adequate college fields, and you could probably scrape up 2-3 more with a little work if you made a deal with the city to use Balboa Park.

 

[manly]

It is about 110F in PHX and Florida is in shooting gallery for tropical storms/hurricanes until November.

SD has acceptable weather through the entire season. 1 MLB field, at least a couple adequate college fields, and you could probably scrape up 2-3 more with a little work if you made a deal with the city to use Balboa Park.

You're right that Arizona and Florida spring training sites would have sucked for those reasons. Many players would have opted out.
I don't think MLB originally intended for a 60 game season. If they had carved out some salary concessions from players, they were shooting for somewhere in the neighborhood of 85 games. Point being, having 2 cities as secure bubbles makes sense until you ask the players and they want none of that for 4 months on end.

San Diego is a great city, but I doubt it has the ballparks to support 30 teams. You more or less need major league fields, although a good AAA venue will do (Blue Jays are forced to host in Buffalo this season, although the site needs rapid upgrades). They're not going to play MLB games at a city park or high school field.

I presume the major Euro football leagues just completed their seasons without "bubbles?" I don't recall hearing of any significant outbreaks amongst the clubs. Point being pro sports leagues were dealt a terrible hand, and I'm not certain that an NBA-style bubble is a prerequisite to playing safely. The Marlins players may just have contracted the virus via community transmission rather than travelling or baseball activities? Begs the question if the Marlins personnel were being adequately tested a week ago based on their location.

 

[Ken g6]

Tonight I'm hearing that Dr. Fauci recommends eye protection along with a mask .

Dr. Fauci recommends wearing goggles to prevent catching the coronavirus

Should you wear eye protection to fend off COVID-19? Here’s what research says so far.

www.marketwatch.com

 

[Muse]

Tonight I'm hearing that Dr. Fauci recommends eye protection along with a mask .

Dr. Fauci recommends wearing goggles to prevent catching the coronavirus

Should you wear eye protection to fend off COVID-19? Here’s what research says so far.

www.marketwatch.com

Been thinking about that. I bought 2 different pairs of shields, I have a few goggles for around the house projects. I figure those goggles, although they have small holes in them are gonna be 98% effective in warding off virus beasties from my eyes.

People, don't listen to the fools.

 

[purbeast0]

Tonight I'm hearing that Dr. Fauci recommends eye protection along with a mask .

Dr. Fauci recommends wearing goggles to prevent catching the coronavirus

Should you wear eye protection to fend off COVID-19? Here’s what research says so far.

www.marketwatch.com

I mean, that's not really what he said though.

 

[Svnla]

Second and third and more waves are coming?

- New cases in Vietnam (zero death so far, or so the commie government is saying).
- New cases in Hong Kong.
- Indonesia' capital (Jakarta) has a record of new cases per day.
- Latin America countries' numbers of cases are up.
And so on....

Even countries that got coronavirus under control are now struggling. That's deeply concerning for the rest of the world | CNN

The coronavirus is "easily the most severe" public health emergency the World Health Organization (WHO) has ever faced, its director-general said Monday, as countries that previously appeared to have the pandemic under control recorded an uptick in cases.

www.cnn.com

 

[Grey_Beard]

Second and third and more waves are coming?

- New cases in Vietnam (zero death so far, or so the commie government is saying).
- New cases in Hong Kong.
- Indonesia' capital (Jakarta) has a record of new cases per day.
- Latin America countries' numbers of cases are up.
And so on....

Even countries that got coronavirus under control are now struggling. That's deeply concerning for the rest of the world | CNN

The coronavirus is "easily the most severe" public health emergency the World Health Organization (WHO) has ever faced, its director-general said Monday, as countries that previously appeared to have the pandemic under control recorded an uptick in cases.

www.cnn.com

First wave here needs to dissipate before you can call it a second wave. The US is still dealing with the first wave. The places you mention are dealing with a second wave, as they effectively tamped down the initial outbreak. Once this virus embeds itself in the US, all bets are off anywhere. The US would need to totally lock down or we will continue to spark out breaks throughout the world. Unfortunately, its what happens when you know the playbook and ignore it. It is sad that we are so irresponsible that we’re responsible for this thing lingering.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I mean, that's not really what he said though.

Mmmkay.

Fauci explained that the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19 infects mucosal surfaces — or parts of the body including the eyes, nose and mouth that secrete mucus to stop pathogens and dirt from getting into your body. So “perfect protection” of your mucosal surfaces would include covering every one of them up, he said.



“Theoretically you should protect all of the mucosal surfaces, so if you have goggles or an eye shield, you should use it,” he said.




“It’s not universally recommended, but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can,” he continued. But one reason that this hasn’t been pushed for the general public yet, he suggested, is because, “it’s so easy for people to just make a cloth mask.”

He's just having to couch it because of people like Turmp and apparently you where if he's not screaming "everyone wear goggles now!!!" then he didn't really recommend it.

And this is why America is fucked.

 

[darkswordsman17]

First wave here needs to dissipate before you can call it a second wave. The US is still dealing with the first wave. The places you mention are dealing with a second wave, as they effectively tamped down the initial outbreak. Once this virus embeds itself in the US, all bets are off anywhere. The US would need to totally lock down or we will continue to spark out breaks throughout the world. Unfortunately, its what happens when you know the playbook and ignore it. It is sad that we are so irresponsible that we’re responsible for this thing lingering.

Exactly. America said fuck the world, and is spiting itself to do so.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You're right that Arizona and Florida spring training sites would have sucked for those reasons. Many players would have opted out.
I don't think MLB originally intended for a 60 game season. If they had carved out some salary concessions from players, they were shooting for somewhere in the neighborhood of 85 games. Point being, having 2 cities as secure bubbles makes sense until you ask the players and they want none of that for 4 months on end.

San Diego is a great city, but I doubt it has the ballparks to support 30 teams. You more or less need major league fields, although a good AAA venue will do (Blue Jays are forced to host in Buffalo this season, although the site needs rapid upgrades). They're not going to play MLB games at a city park or high school field.

I presume the major Euro football leagues just completed their seasons without "bubbles?" I don't recall hearing of any significant outbreaks amongst the clubs. Point being pro sports leagues were dealt a terrible hand, and I'm not certain that an NBA-style bubble is a prerequisite to playing safely. The Marlins players may just have contracted the virus via community transmission rather than travelling or baseball activities? Begs the question if the Marlins personnel were being adequately tested a week ago based on their location.

Send them to a random rural kansas town, rent some corn fields for the season? Pay the farmer what the cost of the field's product would have been. Can mow down as many as you want!

 

[K1052]

Another adenovirus based vaccine looking promising

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288781441728499712

 

[destrekor]

It was from the PPP small business loans.... which has requirements to pay for workers wages.... so yeah, while funny... also illegal.

Curious if truly illegal, because the way the program was structured at the start, I knew quite a few CFOs talking about trying to take advantage of, if nothing else, a low-rate business loan. The only qualifiers/restrictions seemed to be if you wanted to consider it a 0% loan or, hell, maybe even an outright grant, you had to use it only for essential business expenses such as salaries, rent, etc.

So I could totally see some smaller businesses grabbing one of these loans, going on a spending spree for the company (or "for the company" like that jackass with the car lol) and locking in a stupid-low rate.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Curious if truly illegal, because the way the program was structured at the start, I knew quite a few CFOs talking about trying to take advantage of, if nothing else, a low-rate business loan. The only qualifiers/restrictions seemed to be if you wanted to consider it a 0% loan or, hell, maybe even an outright grant, you had to use it only for essential business expenses such as salaries, rent, etc.

So I could totally see some smaller businesses grabbing one of these loans, going on a spending spree for the company (or "for the company" like that jackass with the car lol) and locking in a stupid-low rate.

Oh absolutely there are plenty of explorations possible with it. I mean based on the requirements below, you just simply have to show the loan was used to pay for Payroll (60% or more), and the rest can go to mortgage interest, utilities, and rent payments.

I don't even know if it has restrictions on increasing payroll - because if I had a small business of a "few people" I would just increase the pay for everyone. Maybe there is technical rules against that though, I'm not sure.

Loan Details and Forgiveness
The loan will be fully forgiven if the funds are used for payroll costs, interest on mortgages, rent, and utilities (due to likely high subscription, at least 60% of the forgiven amount must have been used for payroll).

• PPP loans have an interest rate of 1%.
• Loans issued prior to June 5 have a maturity of 2 years. Loans issued after June 5 have a maturity of 5 years.
• Loan payments will be deferred for six months.
• No collateral or personal guarantees are required.
• Neither the government nor lenders will charge small businesses any fees.

 

[Mai72]

The one major difference between the Spanish flu/Covid19 is age.

But, as the commentor at the bottom of the page stated...

For every one person who dies:
19 more require hospitalization.
18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
10 will have permanent lung damage.
3 will have strokes.
2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.

So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes: 3,282,000 people dead. 62,358,000 hospitalized. 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage. 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage. 9,846,000 people with strokes. 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness. 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.

IMO, the long term reprecussions from this virus doesn't get talked about enough. Yes, you will probably survive but the chance of some type of permanent damage is very high.

Here’s one ‘remarkable’ difference between COVID-19 and the 1918 Spanish flu

There are also similarities between the 1918 influenza and SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China.

www.marketwatch.com

 

[Grey_Beard]

The one major difference between the Spanish flu/Covid19 is age.

But, as the commentor at the bottom of the page stated...

For every one person who dies:
19 more require hospitalization.
18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
10 will have permanent lung damage.
3 will have strokes.
2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.

So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes: 3,282,000 people dead. 62,358,000 hospitalized. 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage. 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage. 9,846,000 people with strokes. 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness. 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.

IMO, the long term reprecussions from this virus doesn't get talked about enough. Yes, you will probably survive but the chance of some type of permanent damage is very high.

Here’s one ‘remarkable’ difference between COVID-19 and the 1918 Spanish flu

There are also similarities between the 1918 influenza and SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China.

www.marketwatch.com

Besides these figures, you also have to say, “Who will pay for these millions of people’s health care?” As long as insurance is tied to employment, these folks are screwed. Not sure how effectively you can work with lingering neurological symptoms and weakness.

I do not understand why these folks do not understand this point from the article.

“During the 1918 flu, cities that implemented non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing and school closures tended to have better economic outcomes over the medium term, Deutsche Bank added. “This offered historical support to the argument that there wasn’t such a big trade-off between economic activity and public health, because you needed to suppress the virus to enable consumers to be more confident and for businesses to operate as normal.””

It seems quite logical and based on evidence that the economy and the virus are inextricably linked. One cannot grow if the other is active. I thought these fools understood consumer confidence and it impacts on economic activity as they touted it for years. Boggles my mind.

 

[PingSpike]

IMO, the long term reprecussions from this virus doesn't get talked about enough.

Some people are still trying to deny it even exists! Those crippled people will be labeled lazy faker losers and abandoned. Its hard to pretend a pile of dead bodies isn't real but health ailments are a lot easier.

I'm less afraid of dying than being crippled, then handed a huge health bill I can't pay because my health insurance sucks and I might not even be able to hold a job again anyway. That sounds like a nightmare.

 

[Mai72]

Besides these figures, you also have to say, “Who will pay for these millions of people’s health care?” As long as insurance is tied to employment, these folks are screwed. Not sure how effectively you can work with lingering neurological symptoms and weakness.

I do not understand why these folks do not understand this point from the article.

“During the 1918 flu, cities that implemented non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing and school closures tended to have better economic outcomes over the medium term, Deutsche Bank added. “This offered historical support to the argument that there wasn’t such a big trade-off between economic activity and public health, because you needed to suppress the virus to enable consumers to be more confident and for businesses to operate as normal.””

It seems quite logical and based on evidence that the economy and the virus are inextricably linked. One cannot grow if the other is active. I thought these fools understood consumer confidence and it impacts on economic activity as they touted it for years. Boggles my mind.

Why don't those people get it? Ignorance. Ego. They are too lazy to critically think. denial. I could go on...

Here is another thing to consider. How many of those peiople who complained actually read the article. Most people today have the attention span of a gnat. I bet most of those people who posted didn't even read the article. They went straight to the comment section because they have to be heard! They have to get their voice heard, like it even matters.

 

[Mai72]

Some people are still trying to deny it even exists! Those crippled people will be labeled lazy faker losers and abandoned. Its hard to pretend a pile of dead bodies isn't real but health ailments are a lot easier.

I'm less afraid of dying than being crippled, then handed a huge health bill I can't pay because my health insurance sucks and I might not even be able to hold a job again anyway. That sounds like a nightmare.

Doesn't suprise me. There are people who still to this day deny that the Holocaust even happened.
Go search YT for a few laughs.