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NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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K1052 said:
How are we back here again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281282347749511169

Reports also of testing supplies running short, labs overburdened, and results getting pushed out 5-10 days where they are useless.
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Must be JUST at the healthcare level? Because I'm seeing masks available eeeeeeeeeeverywhere now. My grocery store had shit-tons. Home Depot had them. Places I've never seen before that sold surgical masks... now sell them... and tons of them.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Must be JUST at the healthcare level? Because I'm seeing masks available eeeeeeeeeeverywhere now. My grocery store had shit-tons. Home Depot had them. Places I've never seen before that sold surgical masks... now sell them... and tons of them.
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I forgot my mask yesterday. Had to be somewhere in 10 minutes and there wasn't enough time to head back home. I popped into Target and found a rack of unbranded reusable face masks right near the entrance at the checkout registers. Two-pack was ~$4. I wear large or extra-large for everything else, but I think I should buy medium if I buy another pack. These are too big.
 
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Ichinisan said:
I forgot my mask yesterday. Had to be somewhere in 10 minutes and there wasn't enough time to head back home. I popped into Target and found a rack of unbranded reusable face masks right near the entrance at the checkout registers. Two-pack was ~$4.
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I have some of that in black. Did you see any in adult size in blue? No blue around here except kid size.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Must be JUST at the healthcare level? Because I'm seeing masks available eeeeeeeeeeverywhere now. My grocery store had shit-tons. Home Depot had them. Places I've never seen before that sold surgical masks... now sell them... and tons of them.
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There's lots of consumer grade stuff but n95s and other supplies appear to be pretty tight.
 
School is going to be a very challenging one. You have a bunch of kids spending around 8 hours together in a closed building and often interacting closely and touching the same objects. I guess it's not any different than an office, but I think it's still worse as kids tend to be germ magnets to begin with and interactions will be closer than in an office.

I can't see them reopening the schools in September, even here, but at same time, keeping kids at home can only go on for so long as it will really start to affect their mental health. I think as adults we can handle isolation a bit better, but kids have a harder time with that.

I think the plan here is a modified reopening, where they have smaller classes, and less people on the buses, and staggered entry, and school every second or couple days so they can split in groups. Or something along those lines. But it's going to be very hard on everyone to manage that. They will also have trouble finding enough bus drivers. Lot of bus drivers are retired people who just want a little something to do and a bit of extra money, but it will end up being a full time job having to constantly disinfect etc and doing way more pickups.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Must be JUST at the healthcare level? Because I'm seeing masks available eeeeeeeeeeverywhere now. My grocery store had shit-tons. Home Depot had them. Places I've never seen before that sold surgical masks... now sell them... and tons of them.
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Not N95. Frontline workers really need N95... with goggles and a face shield.
 
Austin has passed a law allowing fines of $2000 for anybody not obeying masking requirements. Abbott gave the nod in a round about way.
 
K1052 said:
Israel starting to sound remarkably like here after they had an effective early response:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281276947998429184
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Actually, the REAL problem are the breaks between classes because that's when the students tend to gather closer together, thus disrespecting social distancing, which they can't during the classes themselves.

Another potential problem is the way the students get to the school as there's a high chance of the students gathering there too, again disrespecting social distancing (public transportation).
 
H T C said:
Actually, the REAL problem are the breaks between classes because that's when the students tend to gather closer together, thus disrespecting social distancing, which they can't during the classes themselves.

Another potential problem is the way the students get to the school as there's a high chance of the students gathering there too, again disrespecting social distancing (public transportation).
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It's clear that returning to schools is a highly complex problem with different schooling levels presenting different issues. Getting it wrong even a little bit leads to huge problems. It's solvable but clearly needs a lot of planning and $.
 
Red Squirrel said:
School is going to be a very challenging one. You have a bunch of kids spending around 8 hours together in a closed building and often interacting closely and touching the same objects. I guess it's not any different than an office, but I think it's still worse as kids tend to be germ magnets to begin with and interactions will be closer than in an office.

I can't see them reopening the schools in September, even here, but at same time, keeping kids at home can only go on for so long as it will really start to affect their mental health. I think as adults we can handle isolation a bit better, but kids have a harder time with that.

I think the plan here is a modified reopening, where they have smaller classes, and less people on the buses, and staggered entry, and school every second or couple days so they can split in groups. Or something along those lines. But it's going to be very hard on everyone to manage that. They will also have trouble finding enough bus drivers. Lot of bus drivers are retired people who just want a little something to do and a bit of extra money, but it will end up being a full time job having to constantly disinfect etc and doing way more pickups.
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I'm trying to convince the wife to tell the principal to split class size in half, alternate each day and on fridays do remote. Everyone gets equal time this way and still get the benefit of social interaction with their peers and their teachers. Fridays are always just a "fun day" so they can easily do that remotely. The challenge when school was in session remotely were the parents. Honestly, the kids who had problems while it was normal, never bothered to even check in remotely. Clearly an indicator of shit parents who use the system as babysitters instead of actually helping their kids learn. My wife was clearly bothered by the lack of effort on the parents part when school was in session.
 
brianmanahan said:
i wear n95 everywhere i go now
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Me too, but that's because I had the foresight to buy real N95 masks back in January and I can reuse them. There was no procedure for medical professionals to reuse them and the vast majority are still disposed of every day without reusing, especially those used when dealing with confirmed cases.

I keep finding fake N95, Chinese KN95, Korean N95, surgical masks that say "N95" on the packaging when they aren't even close, etc, but no honest-to-goodness medical-grade NIOSH-certified N95 masks. Even the ones I bought from Lowe's in January wouldn't pass muster for frontline workers since they had the one-way exhalation valve.
 
ponyo said:
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-updates-hand-sanitizers-methanol

Check your hand sanitizer and see if it was made in Mexico. Two I got from Sam's Club was made in Mexico and is on the banned/recall list by the FDA for containing methanol. Mine was Blumen Clear Advanced Hand Sanitizer with 70% Alcohol made in Mexico by 4E Global. It was added to the banned FDA list yesterday. Luckily we didn't use any as we had other supply.
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Well, the silver lining of this happening...
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...is that I found another old bottle of aloe when looking at the damage from the inside, so I'll be making more of my own hand sanitizer refills. 🙂 Thankfully, I also found more of my 99.9% isopropyl dispensers so I don't have to open my last full bottle.

Some of you old-timers might remember this as the 16x16x16 foot two-story accessory building my brother and I had built at our mother's place back in 2004. The tree that fell on it was GIGANTIC and left at least three holes in the roof that I've found so far (can't get up high enough to see more).

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It's like there's a whole other tree up there...
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...and one of the branches that ended up leaning on a smaller building on the other side looks like a tree trunk by itself, and is taller than the building despite another yard or so broken off on the ground around it:
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Looks like Nevada is going to reimplement restrictions tomorrow. Governor sounds at his wits end with people and biz not following the rules.
 
K1052 said:
Looks like Nevada is going to reimplement restrictions tomorrow. Governor sounds at his wits end with people and biz not following the rules.
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Yeah, just listened to the presser. Unfortunately, it sounds like it really only applies to bars. He's not going far enough at all.

The conservative, rural areas of Nevada have been complaining that the governor has gone too far with the shutdown. In my opinion he's caved to them too much and hasn't gone too far enough to actually protect people. He started Phase 1 reopen too soon and his metric for Phase 2 reopen was just stupid. Now that Nevada is one of the worst per capita states for spikes he's not decisive enough in shutting stuff down.
 
sactoking said:
Yeah, just listened to the presser. Unfortunately, it sounds like it really only applies to bars. He's not going far enough at all.

The conservative, rural areas of Nevada have been complaining that the governor has gone too far with the shutdown. In my opinion he's caved to them too much and hasn't gone too far enough to actually protect people. He started Phase 1 reopen too soon and his metric for Phase 2 reopen was just stupid. Now that Nevada is one of the worst per capita states for spikes he's not decisive enough in shutting stuff down.
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The piecemeal way southern and western governors are dealing with this seems unlikely to dramatically slow the outbreaks in those states. What we have to do isn’t at this point unclear, the will is just lacking.
 
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