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NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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I just watched a CNN report complaining people that weren't wearing masks to prevent the spread of the virus. The ironic part? Not a single CNN reporter was wearing a mask on-camera during that segment, even though some people that they interviewed were. Come on guys... practice what you preach.
 
AstraZeneca's CEO predicts a one year durability for the Oxford vaccine they are manufacturing.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/16/ast...ne-likely-to-protect-for-a-year-ceo-says.html

I suspect that's an anticipated minimum but there is just no way to be sure until time passes and we see so pays to be conservative. Even if that's the case it's not a huge deal as long as you maintain herd protection level of inoculation in the population. I've read some theorizing that required inoculation level for this could be lower than 70% as a fair number of people are able to mount effective immune responses already, this has yet to be truly established and quantified.
 
ultimatebob said:
I just watched a CNN report complaining people that weren't wearing masks to prevent the spread of the virus. The ironic part? Not a single CNN reporter was wearing a mask on-camera during that segment, even though some people that they interviewed were. Come on guys... practice what you preach.
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The man's video is out there somewhere too. 🙂
 
CDC guidance should simply be that masks are required everywhere all the time for everyone. If you have a condition that prevents mask wearing then you should not go out. Exceptions for eating/ drinking and medical procedures only acceptable when other conditions are met (distancing, ventilation/outside, PPE for practitioners, etc).

States should either pass the requisite legislation to require it or the governors order it be done. The courts give major leeway for public health actions backed up by science and the body of science backing up mask wearing cannot be ignored any longer.
 
K1052 said:
CDC guidance should simply be that masks are required everywhere all the time for everyone. If you have a condition that prevents mask wearing then you should not go out. Exceptions for eating/ drinking and medical procedures only acceptable when other conditions are met (distancing, ventilation/outside, PPE for practitioners, etc).

States should either pass the requisite legislation to require it or the governors order it be done. The courts give major leeway for public health actions backed up by science and the body of science backing up mask wearing cannot be ignored any longer.
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The issue is that such a mandate could impact medical supplies for the frontline. No doubt, this is why they didn't make them mandatory and told people how to make their own when they first reversed course on wearing masks.
 
CZroe said:
The issue is that such a mandate could impact medical supplies for the frontline. No doubt, this is why they didn't make them mandatory and told people how to make their own when they first reversed course on wearing masks.
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This was the concern earlier in the year that led to the advice not to wear masks. The advice was bad and the run on masks happened anyway. I can get surgical masks and cloth masks at Target now plus dozens of apparel companies sell cheap, washable face coverings. There is simply no reason whatsoever to not require it now.
 
Been a while since I've worked a day shift at the office as I've been mostly on nights, or working at home. Went for a walk down town today on my break and wow it's kinda sad to see all the for sale signs on businesses. Lot of broken windows too. Not because of BLM just because the city is a shithole lol.
 
I noticed last night a hotel parking lot a few blocks away was completely packed. People are also going on vacation like nothing is going on. My niece left for Myrtle Beach this week, got there and they double booked their house rental. They thought it would be a good idea to hang at the mall until one of their parents found them a place to stay 🙄. Needless to say she isn't welcome back into my sister's house for at least two weeks after they get back home. With all these people traveling I have to assume another wave is coming and everyone needs to be wearing masks to protect the vulnerable.
 
Saw a crowd of 12-15 kids on the sidewalk at a gas station, at least five different families based on races and age range. None had masks but two kids were holding their shirts over their mouths. Looked like a church youth group outing or something.

Yeah, their families back home are going to get it for sure if they keep this up through the summer.
 
I still couldn't register for my test results ("Error") but I checked my email and it seems they sent me the results yesterday to the email I used when I filled out the questionnaire.

Negative.

Yesterday was only the next day after testing but they originally told me 3-4 days and the website says up to 7 days. One day is much faster than expected.

I had a lot of other stuff to do today but I guess it's time to finally get my hair cut. 🙂
 
CZroe said:
The issue is that such a mandate could impact medical supplies for the frontline. No doubt, this is why they didn't make them mandatory and told people how to make their own when they first reversed course on wearing masks.
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That's not the current issue. Except for N95 respirators, basic medical masks and cloth masks seem to be readily available. K1052 is also wrong that legislation or EO solves the problem. It's not the legality of a public health order that's in question (see shelter in place orders), but whether citizens at this point would voluntarily comply and whether they would actively revolt.* Much of the country has somehow developed an anti-mask affliction; it isn't simply an extreme partisan issue. There is some general correlation with political beliefs, but at this point a mask-wearing mandate is only feasible in the most Blue-leaning locales and even then, you'll still have a lot of people who flout the rules.

* Remember OH Gov. Mike DeWine wanted to mandate masks to enter businesses, and he quickly realized it wasn't going to fly with citizens.

Americans collective anti-science fits a general pattern with Covid-19. Let's hastily reopen even if the metrics aren't quite there yet (no disaster yet, but the trendlines are scary), let's ignore social distancing and hygiene best practices, and let's unequivocally state now that there will be no lockdowns no matter what comes ahead.
 
manly said:
That's not the current issue. Except for N95 respirators, basic medical masks and cloth masks seem to be readily available. K1052 is also wrong that legislation or EO solves the problem. It's not the legality of a public health order that's in question (see shelter in place orders), but whether citizens at this point would voluntarily comply and whether they would actively revolt.* Much of the country has somehow developed an anti-mask affliction; it isn't simply an extreme partisan issue. There is some general correlation with political beliefs, but at this point a mask-wearing mandate is only feasible in the most Blue-leaning locales and even then, you'll still have a lot of people who flout the rules.

* Remember OH Gov. Mike DeWine wanted to mandate masks to enter businesses, and he quickly realized it wasn't going to fly with citizens.

Americans collective anti-science fits a general pattern with Covid-19. Let's hastily reopen even if the metrics aren't quite there yet (no disaster yet, but the trendlines are scary), let's ignore social distancing and hygiene best practices, and let's unequivocally state now that there will be no lockdowns no matter what comes ahead.
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My statement was predicated on having a national leadership that modeled the correct behavior and did not (stupidly) help politicize mask usage. I'd agree that total compliance is unlikely to be achievable but if you can exceed about 80% it would have a large impact in total case load and fatalities.
 
In AZ Ducey just announced that local governments will be able to implement face mask requirements. He's went on for at least a good 5-6 min about the importance of masks.

Hitting "bad actor" businesses for not following regulations for distancing and capacity. Threatening enforcement by public health officials.

I doubt many red state Govs are going to close up again but mask requirement appears very much on the table now even if they're shrugging off the responsibility to cites/counties.
 
Churches as real super bad ideas right now, example 1,936:

Oregon’s biggest coronavirus outbreak yet is linked to Union County church, state officials confirm

At least 236 coronavirus cases have been linked to an outbreak at Lighthouse United Pentecostal Church in Union County’s Island City, a small town near La Grande, confirmed Deputy State Epidemiologist Tom Jeanne. The outbreak accounts for 47% of the 462 cases reported statewide since Monday.

“That does make this the largest single outbreak of COVID-19 in Oregon to date," Jeanne said.
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A now-deleted video from the church’s Facebook page showed hundreds of worshipers singing, dancing, and jumping around during a service on May 24, before faith communities were allowed to convene in large groups.
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https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...astern-oregon-church-surpasses-200-cases.html
 
K1052 said:
In AZ Ducey just announced that local governments will be able to implement face mask requirements. He's went on for at least a good 5-6 min about the importance of masks.

Hitting "bad actor" businesses for not following regulations for distancing and capacity. Threatening enforcement by public health officials.

I doubt many red state Govs are going to close up again but mask requirement appears very much on the table now even if they're shrugging off the responsibility to cites/counties.
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I'm with you on this one and I do think mandating mask wearing will increase compliance. But I believe reality is that compliance will still be voluntary, there will be very little enforcement outside of action against the worst offending businesses (this is extremely dumb, not protecting your own employees and potentially having legal liability); and in many areas, we're unlikely to come close to the 80% number you mentioned. As you said, a big part of the problem is when top national "leaders" don't follow best practices, that signals to the masses that it isn't important.
 
ultimatebob said:
I just watched a CNN report complaining people that weren't wearing masks to prevent the spread of the virus. The ironic part? Not a single CNN reporter was wearing a mask on-camera during that segment, even though some people that they interviewed were. Come on guys... practice what you preach.
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There is a reason for this. It's the same reason why those on-air in the studio aren't wearing masks, why politicians don't wear them when at the podium, some only removing them once at the podium and putting back on. Even if that's only for the camera, that's the kind of theater politicians are supposed to put on. Unfortunately half of them are putting on a different kind of theater for a different crowd.

That reason? In a word: Clarity.

We turn to news to understand it. Muffled voices and, worse, a lack of lip-reading capability due to visual obstruction, makes it more challenging if not impossible for the deaf and hard of hearing to actually understand. Captions are unreliable and the vast majority of most news and on-air appearances don't have ASL interpreters on-hand.

My only complaint is if we don't see them removing and donning the mask or respirator.
 
K1052 said:
My statement was predicated on having a national leadership that modeled the correct behavior and did not (stupidly) help politicize mask usage. I'd agree that total compliance is unlikely to be achievable but if you can exceed about 80% it would have a large impact in total case load and fatalities.
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Honestly, I don't think that states that DO mandate public mask wearing like Connecticut or New York are getting 80% compliance right now. It's still better than nothing, though.
 
destrekor said:
There is a reason for this. It's the same reason why those on-air in the studio aren't wearing masks, why politicians don't wear them when at the podium, some only removing them once at the podium and putting back on. Even if that's only for the camera, that's the kind of theater politicians are supposed to put on. Unfortunately half of them are putting on a different kind of theater for a different crowd.

That reason? In a word: Clarity.

We turn to news to understand it. Muffled voices and, worse, a lack of lip-reading capability due to visual obstruction, makes it more challenging if not impossible for the deaf and hard of hearing to actually understand. Captions are unreliable and the vast majority of most news and on-air appearances don't have ASL interpreters on-hand.

My only complaint is if we don't see them removing and donning the mask or respirator.
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TV reporters usually follow protocols. Often they'll wear masks if interviewing somebody on the streets. They can remove the mask if they're speaking on camera properly distanced from the public. Of course there are exceptions; compliance is never perfect.
 
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