NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[s0me0nesmind1]

Until you wake up after the surgery done.

Weird feeling when they pulled the stents out that were 6" long and then suctioned my sinus cavity out.

Hahahahaha, yeaaaaah.

When I had those in for the few days (or whatever it was) after surgery I thought they were small. I could still breath through my lose to a certain extent. Then I had the trip back to the doctor office to take those out and holy shit I didn't realize they were that big...

 

[K1052]

Things like this really shows that we REALLY need to completely revamp our systems to make them more in line with the times. But of course, if you're a government you have zero initiative to upgrade systems. You don't have someone that is going compete for your job.

I worked in IT for a government agency for a while many moons ago. People say they want this kind of thing but replacing legacy systems is extremely expensive so it's is often just not done since that budget money doesn't grow on trees.

Obviously we do a lot of things at the state level that arguably the federal government should consolidate. Maintaining 50+ unique unemployment systems does not seem like an efficient approach in time or money to say the least.

 

[Ichinisan]

IIRC, Moderna was the company working on a MERS vaccine for a couple years. My googleFU is failing me

If developing vaccines is what they do, I assume they didn't ignore MERS and SARS and other major outbreaks. I assume all the organizations capable of developing vaccines probably race to be the first whenever there's a new outbreak. Sometimes the outbreak burns out before they finish developing it. Sometimes a competing organization develops an effective vaccine first. Sometimes an effective vaccine proves difficult or impossible to develop (AIDS, etc).

Or maybe they cooperate and say "we'll work on this virus, you work on that virus." I dunno. Depends on whether they have the resources or not.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I worked in IT for a government agency for a while many moons ago. People say they want this kind of thing but replacing legacy systems is extremely expensive so it's is often just not done since that budget money doesn't grow on trees.

Obviously we do a lot of things at the state level that arguably the federal government should consolidate. Maintaining 50+ unique unemployment systems does not seem like an efficient approach in time or money to say the least.

Believe me - I've been a part of a huge ass replacements of legacy systems for clients over the course of 2-5 year projects lol. Doing things as simple as upgrading to SAP S4/HANA can be quite challenging.


But the reason for that is because government is ineptly stupid to make indirect calculations. They have their monthly budgets and they allocate them all to whatever they currently have. If they don't spend it, they fear it will be taken away...... so they always make sure to spend it.

Upgrading systems has its indirect benefits as well - if systems are upgraded it can often get rid of many jobs that are mind-numbingly worthless. But they don't make those calculations because they are dumb and have no reason/drive (competition) to do so.

It's not like corporations make huge ass projects that cost hundreds of millions of dollars because it isn't beneficial (and cost saving) in the end.

 

[K1052]

Believe me - I've been a part of a huge ass replacements of legacy systems for clients over the course of 2-5 year projects lol. Doing things as simple as upgrading to SAP S4/HANA can be quite challenging.


But the reason for that is because government is ineptly stupid to make indirect calculations. They have their monthly budgets and they allocate them all to whatever they currently have. If they don't spend it, they fear it will be taken away...... so they always make sure to spend it.

Upgrading systems has its indirect benefits as well - if systems are upgraded it can often get rid of many jobs that are mind-numbingly worthless. But they don't make those calculations because they are dumb and have no reason/drive (competition) to do so.

It's not like corporations make huge ass projects that cost hundreds of millions of dollars because it isn't beneficial (and cost saving) in the end.

Agencies have to make the case to the legislature and the governor to cover the costs of replacing many of these things. That is distinctly different than making an ROI argument in a company. Most times if simply maintaining the existing system costs less than replacing it in a given year they will not appropriate money for the latter despite any possible efficiency gain.

I don't blame this state of affairs on the people tasked with simply doing as they are told.

 

[kn51]

Hahahahaha, yeaaaaah.

When I had those in for the few days (or whatever it was) after surgery I thought they were small. I could still breath through my lose to a certain extent. Then I had the trip back to the doctor office to take those out and holy shit I didn't realize they were that big...

Penis and other jokes aside I honestly to this day can't comprehend how they stuffed those in there. It was like pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

Did you have a super sense of smelling after it? That was weird. Wore off after a couple weeks.

 

[Svnla]

In other news, "masks on, clothes off" is coming to a strip club near you -

Pole dancing and hand sanitizer: Wyoming strip club reopens with 'masks on, clothes off' party

Welcome to The Den, one of the first strip clubs in the country to reopen. The club on Friday night threw a “masks on, clothes off\

www.usatoday.com

 

[snoopy7548]

In other news, "masks on, clothes off" is coming to a strip club near you -

Pole dancing and hand sanitizer: Wyoming strip club reopens with 'masks on, clothes off' party

Welcome to The Den, one of the first strip clubs in the country to reopen. The club on Friday night threw a “masks on, clothes off\

www.usatoday.com

Aren't there other... fluids... that can transmit the virus than just saliva? I heard on the radio for some mothers who give birth, they must sleep 6' apart and the mother needs to wear a mask while breastfeeding. Doesn't breastfeeding defeat the entire purpose?

 

[ch33zw1z]

If developing vaccines is what they do, I assume they didn't ignore MERS and SARS and other major outbreaks. I assume all the organizations capable of developing vaccines probably race to be the first whenever there's a new outbreak. Sometimes the outbreak burns out before they finish developing it. Sometimes a competing organization develops an effective vaccine first. Sometimes an effective vaccine proves difficult or impossible to develop (AIDS, etc).

Or maybe they cooperate and say "we'll work on this virus, you work on that virus." I dunno. Depends on whether they have the resources or not.

I have no idea how vigorously a vaccine for either of those has been since SARS one 15 years ago.

 

[Muse]

See the last part of your post (bold and underline). Does that apply equally to everyone or just a select few? You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, right? Like how in this thread, you claimed only losers blame others while you blamed Trump and GOP and everything else under the sun for this virus in this very own thread (and I haven't included the P&N forum).

Context is crucial. I do blame Trump and cohorts/cronies for bungling the response, deflecting the seriousness of our situation. Trump's misadministration here is staggering. I quote the New York Times today's edition:
- - - -
Obama Lives in Trump’s Head
The president feels the need to shower lies and blame upon his predecessor.

By Charles M. Blow
Opinion Columnist

• May 17, 2020
• • 
    
  • 
    
  • 2017

Former President Barack Obama delivering a virtual commencement address to millions of high school seniors on Saturday.Credit...Bing Guan/Reuters

No one irritates Donald Trump quite like Barack Obama.
Trump’s run for president was in part triggered by his enmity for Obama, his desire to one-up him, and he has performed his presidency as a singularly focused attempt at Obama erasure, dismantling what he can of what Obama built and undoing policies Obama instituted.
Obama is everything that Trump is not: intellectual, articulate, adroit, contemplative and cool. He also happens to be a black man. The fact that he could not only ascend to the height of power but also the heights of celebrity and adoration vexed Trump.
Trump set about to demonstrate that none of that mattered, none of it could supersede the talents of a confident counterfeit. He convinced himself that Obama was the convenient recipient of affirmative action adulation from a world thirsty for racial recompense, an assuaging of white guilt.
Trump has held this view well before anyone heard the name Barack Obama. In 1989, Trump said in an NBC News interview, “A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white, in terms of the job market.” Trump went so far as to say that “I’ve said on occasion, even about myself, if I was starting off today I would love to be a well-educated black because I really believe they do have an actual advantage today.”
This was not a compliment. Trump adheres to the theory of unearned black privileges at the expense of white effort, that there is a hand-me-out meritocracy specifically for black people, a form of cultural welfare.

This made Obama an early target for Trump. He questioned Obama’s birth and his heritage, his abilities and educational pedigree. He questioned his leadership and his work ethic. Trump knew the terrible legions of flaws he possessed and was incredulous that this black man could be devoid of any.
So, he feverishly searched for error, sometimes inventing it, moreover projecting his own error onto Obama.
Obama became Trump’s foil for personal reasons of racial and cultural insecurity. But Trump’s view of him perfectly aligned with a larger phenomenon: A significant swath of white America grated at the uppityness of this black man who would set the tone for how Americans should behave, and his black wife who would lecture them about what to eat.
Obama wasn’t on the ballot in 2016, but in a way he was. Trump wasn’t only running against Hillary Clinton — whom conservatives revile, whom Vladimir Putin reviles, whom the patriarchy reviles — he was also running against the black shadow of a black man.
These voters chose the opposite of Obama, they chose the moral and intellectual antithesis, someone who could arrest the advance that Obama represented: an ascension of multicultural power and a coming erasure of white advantage and the dominance of white culture, all of which establishment forces had either allowed or encouraged.

Trump was elected to restore the cultural narrative of the primacy of whiteness.
Now, with the colossal disaster of his Covid-19 response threatening his re-election prospects, Trump is attempting to draft Obama once again as his primary opponent.
No president would have wanted this pandemic to happen on their watch. There would be death and suffering regardless. But, it is hard to imagine another president handling the situation as poorly as Trump has, which has led to far more death and suffering than was necessary. Where we are with this virus was not inevitable. It is the direct result of Trump’s failed policies.
Trump has tried for months to do what he has always done: invent an alternate reality, lie, blame and brag, deny responsibility and claim victory. But that simply doesn’t work as well when the coronavirus has claimed more American lives in a few months than the Vietnam War claimed in a decade. It doesn’t work when tens of millions of Americans are out of work and the economy is teetering on a depression.

So, Trump is reaching past Joe Biden in his basement for an opponent who evokes a more visceral disdain from his base: Obama.
He has cooked up an Obamagate conspiracy, claiming that the former president committed “the biggest political crime in American history, by far!”
Of course, there are no crimes other than the ones Trump himself has committed. But, this is a familiar territory for Trump, projection and deflection. By using sleight of hand to turn the focus to Obama on a phony scandal, he hopes to make people look away from the mountain of dead bodies on which he is now perched.
Trump is trying to make Obama his Willie Horton, the black criminal George Bush successfully used as a racial cudgel in his race against Michael Dukakis in 1988. Trump believes that there is a seesaw mechanism to his political fortunes: If he can drag someone down, it will lift him up.
For now, that person is Obama, the man who lives in Trump’s head, who stalks his dreams, the countervailing symbol to Trump’s deficiencies.

 

[Red Squirrel]

No new cases in our health unit region in a week. We'll have to see in a week from now though since it was the long weekend and one of the first periods where it's nice out.

One week, no new cases of COVID-19 : My Timmins Now

The Porcupine Health Unit is reporting that no new positive COVID-19 test results have come back for the seventh straight day. BY THE NUMBERS 4,287 tests 65 positive 247 pending/under investigation 53 resolved 6 deaths Source: Porcupine Health Unit, May 18, 2020

www.mytimminsnow.com

If things continue looking good they should just block access in and out of the region, and we could technically resume back to normal.

 

[Muse]

Do as you say and not as you do, eh? So again, my question will be (as I already asked you above) should civic responsibility and government roles apply equally to everyone or just a selective few? Yes or No?

Everyone, of course. And my statements were context specific. A finger pointer who's prevaricating in trying to blame those who aren't actually to blame are reprehensible. China has done this in trying to blame America for the virus. Trump in claiming Obama was at fault.

My pointing out the Trump administration's failures is derelict? We have an election coming. God help us if we reelect Trump because we've seen that we can't expect much from Trump.

 

[Svnla]

Context is crucial. I do blame Trump and cohorts/cronies for bungling the response, deflecting the seriousness of our situation. Trump's misadministration here is staggering. I quote the New York Times today's edition:
- - - -
<snip> for being too long.

You still don't get it, do you. No one is disputing your right to be a critic or the validity. What I am saying you can NOT complain about me (see my quotes of your exact words such as "idiot" and "the fuck...don't have time for that" and so on) and other posters being critics in this thread while you do the very damn same thing. As a matter of fact, you have the most posts in this thread (or at least the top 5 or so). What good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

Wanna bash DT? Go here - https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/how-many-americans-will-die-due-to-trump’s-indifference-and-incompetence-to-covid-19.2577639/
You don't see me say anything about all the bashing in that thread. Not once.

Everyone, of course. And my statements were context specific. A finger pointer who's prevaricating in trying to blame those who aren't actually to blame are reprehensible. China has done this in trying to blame America for the virus. Trump in claiming Obama was at fault.

My pointing out the Trump administration's failures is derelict? We have an election coming. God help us if we reelect Trump because we've seen that we can't expect much from Trump.

So commie china is NOT to blame for this virus thing at all ? Are you for real? Serous question. You do know where and how it was started and how commie china tried to hide it and make it even much worse, right? Do you know the doctor (Li Wenliang) that tried to pull the alarm and what happened to him by his own government, right? Good grief.

 

[manly]

I just searched YouTube for "food stamps mercedes" and the results were filled with actual news reports about people selling food stamps... something I didn't even search for. I even played one video that didn't mention anything about that in the title and a reporter confronted someone for selling EBT food stamps in the middle of the video. Another was a news report about them being sold on Craigslist. Another was from a local news station I recognize (WSB-TV). It's literally so rampant that I'm seeing report after report after report from credible news stations in a completely unrelated YouTube search.

Sorry, friend, but it verifiably it isn't just the experience of a few people on Anandtech, and that is about the worst reason you could have for dismissing first-hand accounts anyway. Even if it were just me, you don't get to discount my experience just because you didn't experience it... you couldn't anymore than you could expect me to suddenly convince myself that what I witnessed didn't happen just because you say you didn't witness the same thing wherever you were. How ludicrous is that?!

It happens and I can vouch for that. It isn't high-minded to ignore people who can vouch for it with personal anecdotes. It's ignorant, wilfull self-delusion, and rude. You're basically calling us liars or delusional schizophrenic based on absolutely nothing than what you want to believe.

Well you're mistaken because I believe your first hand report, AND I even said as much last time. It's the other guy whose wildish claims I directly attacked. Nevertheless, what I wrote was it's not the anecdotes that we're disputing; it's whether they prove a large pattern of fraud. This all started when you specifically stated that a "surprisingly large number" of SNAP recipients are selling food stamps. When Brainonska511 called you out to quantify/support that assertion, your retort has basically been that you've seen it a lot and that's the only type of hard data we have. The onus is not on anybody else here to prove SNAP is an efficient program, as we aren't the ones making the broad claims. Nobody ever called you a liar or insinuated you're delusional, so you're building a bridge too far.

Bear in mind SNAP feeds millions of Americans (one can argue this is a symptom of a massive poverty problem, rather than an actual solution). Even thousands of incidences of people committing fraud nationwide isn't concrete proof that fraud is a meaningful percentage of program cost. In other words, a surprisingly large number can actually be a small relative number; we don't exactly know, certainly not from this thread's anecdotes. USDA estimates the resale of SNAP benefits to be well under 2%:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program#Fraud_and_abuse

 

[Jon-T]

Context is crucial. I do blame Trump and cohorts/cronies for bungling the response, deflecting the seriousness of our situation. Trump's misadministration here is staggering. I quote the New York Times today's edition:
- - - -
Obama Lives in Trump’s Head
The president feels the need to shower lies and blame upon his predecessor.

By Charles M. Blow
Opinion Columnist

• May 17, 2020
• • 
    
  • 
    
  • 2017

Former President Barack Obama delivering a virtual commencement address to millions of high school seniors on Saturday.Credit...Bing Guan/Reuters

No one irritates Donald Trump quite like Barack Obama.
Trump’s run for president was in part triggered by his enmity for Obama, his desire to one-up him, and he has performed his presidency as a singularly focused attempt at Obama erasure, dismantling what he can of what Obama built and undoing policies Obama instituted.
Obama is everything that Trump is not: intellectual, articulate, adroit, contemplative and cool. He also happens to be a black man. The fact that he could not only ascend to the height of power but also the heights of celebrity and adoration vexed Trump.
Trump set about to demonstrate that none of that mattered, none of it could supersede the talents of a confident counterfeit. He convinced himself that Obama was the convenient recipient of affirmative action adulation from a world thirsty for racial recompense, an assuaging of white guilt.
Trump has held this view well before anyone heard the name Barack Obama. In 1989, Trump said in an NBC News interview, “A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white, in terms of the job market.” Trump went so far as to say that “I’ve said on occasion, even about myself, if I was starting off today I would love to be a well-educated black because I really believe they do have an actual advantage today.”
This was not a compliment. Trump adheres to the theory of unearned black privileges at the expense of white effort, that there is a hand-me-out meritocracy specifically for black people, a form of cultural welfare.

This made Obama an early target for Trump. He questioned Obama’s birth and his heritage, his abilities and educational pedigree. He questioned his leadership and his work ethic. Trump knew the terrible legions of flaws he possessed and was incredulous that this black man could be devoid of any.
So, he feverishly searched for error, sometimes inventing it, moreover projecting his own error onto Obama.
Obama became Trump’s foil for personal reasons of racial and cultural insecurity. But Trump’s view of him perfectly aligned with a larger phenomenon: A significant swath of white America grated at the uppityness of this black man who would set the tone for how Americans should behave, and his black wife who would lecture them about what to eat.
Obama wasn’t on the ballot in 2016, but in a way he was. Trump wasn’t only running against Hillary Clinton — whom conservatives revile, whom Vladimir Putin reviles, whom the patriarchy reviles — he was also running against the black shadow of a black man.
These voters chose the opposite of Obama, they chose the moral and intellectual antithesis, someone who could arrest the advance that Obama represented: an ascension of multicultural power and a coming erasure of white advantage and the dominance of white culture, all of which establishment forces had either allowed or encouraged.

Trump was elected to restore the cultural narrative of the primacy of whiteness.
Now, with the colossal disaster of his Covid-19 response threatening his re-election prospects, Trump is attempting to draft Obama once again as his primary opponent.
No president would have wanted this pandemic to happen on their watch. There would be death and suffering regardless. But, it is hard to imagine another president handling the situation as poorly as Trump has, which has led to far more death and suffering than was necessary. Where we are with this virus was not inevitable. It is the direct result of Trump’s failed policies.
Trump has tried for months to do what he has always done: invent an alternate reality, lie, blame and brag, deny responsibility and claim victory. But that simply doesn’t work as well when the coronavirus has claimed more American lives in a few months than the Vietnam War claimed in a decade. It doesn’t work when tens of millions of Americans are out of work and the economy is teetering on a depression.

So, Trump is reaching past Joe Biden in his basement for an opponent who evokes a more visceral disdain from his base: Obama.
He has cooked up an Obamagate conspiracy, claiming that the former president committed “the biggest political crime in American history, by far!”
Of course, there are no crimes other than the ones Trump himself has committed. But, this is a familiar territory for Trump, projection and deflection. By using sleight of hand to turn the focus to Obama on a phony scandal, he hopes to make people look away from the mountain of dead bodies on which he is now perched.
Trump is trying to make Obama his Willie Horton, the black criminal George Bush successfully used as a racial cudgel in his race against Michael Dukakis in 1988. Trump believes that there is a seesaw mechanism to his political fortunes: If he can drag someone down, it will lift him up.
For now, that person is Obama, the man who lives in Trump’s head, who stalks his dreams, the countervailing symbol to Trump’s deficiencies.

Hey ASSHOLE. Take this Fuckin shit to P&N

 

[manly]

Phantom you said? Amnesia, eh?

Here is just one of many examples from this thread alone. This post is not even from me but another poster called you out - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-208#post-40111619 and this - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-172#post-40103746 and much more blame from you in this thread to list them all.


And you have the audacity to say this "Only an idiot would pay any attention to finger pointers" - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-152#post-40099969 and "How the fuck is blaming gonna help? We don't have time for that "... https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-150#post-40099444

Do as you say and not as you do, eh? So again, my question will be (as I already asked you above) should civic responsibility and government roles apply equally to everyone or just a selective few? Yes or No?

You stalked him for 2 months to call him a hypocrite on a totally unrelated point? It's pretty obvious what he said: people have a Constitutional right to protest, but please don't be dumb and spread a contagious virus in the process.

WTF does Americans' civic responsibility have to do with commie China or scapegoating attempts?

 

[Svnla]

You stalked him for 2 months to call him a hypocrite on a totally unrelated point? It's pretty obvious what he said: people have a Constitutional right to protest, but please don't be dumb and spread a contagious virus in the process.

WTF does Americans' civic responsibility have to do with commie China or scapegoating attempts?

Stalked? I posted his very own many many words (posts) in this thread to show his hypocrisy, not just baseless accusation that so many posters have a habit of doing so. See the tittle of the thread? See it? See how many times he violated it. Too many to count. Wanna bash DT? See what another poster said in #8440. I even provided the correct thread for him to post his bashing.

The second question was not just merely civic responsibility but whether he wants everyone to follow the rules equally. Too many posters have a habit of "hey everyone, let follow the rules and laws, ok?" when it fits their agenda and then turn around and make all the excuses in the world for breaking rules and laws in other circumstances. At least he gave me a straight answer, unlike this poster chickened out - https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...navirus-thread.2575795/page-310#post-40147897

 

[nutxo]

This thread has gotten political.

 

[mopardude87]

This thread has gotten political.

Time to change it up with a bit of humor aye? Kinda dark but i LOVE this picture

https://imgur.com/a/sxTxXkm

 

[Ichinisan]

Everyone, of course. And my statements were context specific. A finger pointer who's prevaricating in trying to blame those who aren't actually to blame are reprehensible. China has done this in trying to blame America for the virus. Trump in claiming Obama was at fault.

My pointing out the Trump administration's failures is derelict? We have an election coming. God help us if we reelect Trump because we've seen that we can't expect much from Trump.

...

So commie china is NOT to blame for this virus thing at all ? Are you for real? Serous question. You do know where and how it was started and how commie china tried to hide it and make it even much worse, right? Do you know the doctor (Li Wenliang) that tried to pull the alarm and what happened to him by his own government, right? Good grief.

It's difficult to parse his contradictory logic, but I think Muse said China has some blame in this, and China tries to blame America.

Everyone, of course. And my statements were context specific. A finger pointer who's prevaricating in trying to blame those who aren't actually to blame are reprehensible. China has done this in trying to blame America for the virus. Trump in claiming Obama was at fault.

...

For those who are not aware (not you, Svnla and Muse): State-run news outlets and CCP officials on Chinese social media openly claim that the virus originated in USA. It is now a common belief among the general public throughout mainland China. The Chinese cannot access a large part of the Internet (including Google and YouTube) due to government censorship, so they tend to believe whatever the CCP tells them.

 

[killster1]

I'd be interested what @killster1 and @CZroe thought we should do about the problem?

i guess you missed the post where i said im all for assistance and that they should take food to their house so they dont buy subway sandwiches and soda with the $$, usually people are getting ebt because they have children or LOTS of children so they should be forced to get healthy choices. (beggars cant be choosers right)

 

[Svnla]

In other news, WHO is approved the probe of the virus per the request from Australia, EU, Japan, and multiple countries (over 110) while commie china is not happy and asking for a delay...hummmmmmmmm... -

China backs WHO-led coronavirus review after over 100 nations call for inquiry

China previously criticized Australia for demanding a global investigation.

www.axios.com

 

[killster1]

Well you're mistaken because I believe your first hand report, AND I even said as much last time. It's the other guy whose wildish claims I directly attacked. Nevertheless, what I wrote was it's not the anecdotes that we're disputing; it's whether they prove a large pattern of fraud. This all started when you specifically stated that a "surprisingly large number" of SNAP recipients are selling food stamps. When Brainonska511 called you out to quantify/support that assertion, your retort has basically been that you've seen it a lot and that's the only type of hard data we have. The onus is not on anybody else here to prove SNAP is an efficient program, as we aren't the ones making the broad claims. Nobody ever called you a liar or insinuated you're delusional, so you're building a bridge too far.

Bear in mind SNAP feeds millions of Americans (one can argue this is a symptom of a massive poverty problem, rather than an actual solution). Even thousands of incidences of people committing fraud nationwide isn't concrete proof that fraud is a meaningful percentage of program cost. In other words, a surprisingly large number can actually be a small relative number; we don't exactly know, certainly not from this thread's anecdotes. USDA estimates the resale of SNAP benefits to be well under 2%:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program#Fraud_and_abuse

the principal way we track fraud is through analyzing electronic transactions" for suspicious patterns

funny you never even quote me but instead misquote me every time you dispute my posts. so the main way they track this magical 2% is to analyze electronic transactions! i dont know why you are defending food stamps and the people who abuse them. i like how cheezwiz says they dont watch anyone at the checkout so of course they never witness anything since they are blind to their surroundings, most likely you are the same or your family member or someone you care about is on this program, why else are you so emo about defending it. Just because someone sells the stamps doesnt mean they always do, near xmas you will see the ebt for sale much more often, funny how they pointed out listings on craigslist and youtube but you are still worried about just discrediting the escalade lady that purchased a basket full of coke like it never happened. You think im just making it up?

Would be great if they limited what could be purchased more like wik (tho i cant stand to be being someone that is paying with wik it usually takes 10x the amount of time as a normal shopper)

just hope they just give us time off instead of 10% pay cut because of all the wasted $$, they are also saying the positive might have been a false positive here at work so they are retesting the patient. (but if it comes back negative maybe it will be a false negative too heh)
i wonder if the DR is forced to disclose to public health if one of my co workers has tested positive. they sent us this email today at work """, I am happy to report we have had no reports of positive tests from a public health department for any of our employees."""" but i swear people have tested positive (co workers)

 

[brianmanahan]

This thread has gotten political.

oh i'd say that happened 300 pages ago

 

[mopardude87]

Cannabis extracts may help to prevent coronavirus, study suggests

CBD 'may become a useful and safe addition to the treatment of Covid-19 as an adjunct therapy

www.independent.co.uk