NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[s0me0nesmind1]

actually the doctor was like "do you know you have a deviated septum?" i had no clue, and it doesn't seem to cause problems as far as i can tell.

maybe it is annoying since i do mostly breathe by mouth, but that seems insignificant compared to all my other problems...

I easily noticed it when drinking, because that can congest up your nose when you have a couple drinks....

But it was to the point where the nasal passages literally were just entirely filled practically.....

But I mean, at night your breathing is something you don't really have a choice in - so I would still give it a shot. In my case, I totally recommend it. I breathe a million times easier via nasal now.

 

[CZroe]

Yea, it seems that's his point. Anecdotes were asserted as data points.

No, that was my point, not his. Anecdotes are the only hard data we have and they are impossible to ignore/dismiss.

He didn't have a point. He only brought it up to dismiss what is visible in front of our very faces. Any suggestion that it happens at all without a hard number and he's admonishing you for generalizing about 40,000,000 people in order to ignore reality. It's disingenuous.

you realize 3 other people have said they have witnessed the same thing first hand right?

you dont understand how a credit card works? no one could possibly lend it out in exchange for $$? the escalade driving rich person using the food stamps did not sell the card for $$ but instead purchased soda's to resell in a business (my assumption) or they dont actually need food so they just drink soda all day (was a whole shopping cart filled to the top with bottles of soda). what ever the case soda should not be a item allowed to purchase with the eb cards. Im all for helping people but the system is being abused and abused enough for almost everyone to first hand witness it. (unless they are clueless in life and dont observe their surroundings which i guess happens often)

In the case of my former roommate, he had been burned once (paid for an empty card) so when the junkie came back begging for money a year later he insisted on shopping with her.

I've seen plenty of people shopping with the junkie who wants money. It isn't that much different than tagalongs without a membership at Costco or people sharing an employee discount against company policy. It happens all the time and it's easy enough to spot.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, that was my point, not his. Anecdotes are the only hard data we have and they are impossible to ignore/dismiss.

He didn't have a point. He only brought it up to dismiss what is visible in front of our very faces. Any suggestion that it happens at all without a hard number and he's admonishing you for generalizing about 40,000,000 people in order to ignore reality. It's disingenuous.


In the case of my former roommate, he had been burned once (paid for an empty card) so when the junkie came back begging for money a year later he insisted on shopping with her.

I've seen plenty of people shopping with the junkie who wants money. It isn't that much different than tagalongs without a membership at Costco or people sharing an employee discount against company policy. It happens all the time and it's easy enough to spot.

That's your anecdotal xp. I spent most of my life in areas heavily dependant on food subsidies and never xp'd this. Many people I knew (or know) well we're enrolled, and they used the service appropriately. So "all the time" doesn't seem to fit.

 

[manly]

That's your anecdotal xp. I spent most of my life in areas heavily dependant on food subsidies and never xp'd this. Many people I knew (or know) well we're enrolled, and they used the service appropriately. So "all the time" doesn't seem to fit.

We all know the cliches, anecdotes and opinions are like assholes...
Apparently the USDA audits food stamp fraud (at least) once or twice a decade. Nobody is saying fraud is non-existent, but it's significantly lower than in the (pre-EBT) early 1980s.

But in the presence of such reports and official data, we should instead believe the stories of a few guys on ATOT. Just to be clear, anecdotes can be believable depending on the source; whether they prove a larger pattern is the point being debated. From now on, I will keep a vigilant eye out at the supermarket for Gucci-toting, Escalade-driving, bulk soda purchasers swiping somebody else's EBT card.

 

[killster1]

We all know the cliches, anecdotes and opinions are like assholes...
Apparently the USDA audits food stamp fraud (at least) once or twice a decade. Nobody is saying fraud is non-existent, but it's significantly lower than in the (pre-EBT) early 1980s.

But in the presence of such reports and official data, we should instead believe the stories of a few guys on ATOT. Just to be clear, anecdotes can be believable depending on the source; whether they prove a larger pattern is the point being debated. From now on, I will keep a vigilant eye out at the supermarket for Gucci-toting, Escalade-driving, bulk soda purchasers swiping somebody else's EBT card.

obviously you didnt even read my posts, the person with the escalade was not selling the ebt nor buying the ebt money but instead was purchasing frivolous items most likely to resell, all while driving luxury automobiles. It was proof that the system gets abused often. (altho who knows maybe they did purchase the ebt credits off someone else that is not what i initially thought while watching them)

That's your anecdotal xp. I spent most of my life in areas heavily dependant on food subsidies and never xp'd this. Many people I knew (or know) well we're enrolled, and they used the service appropriately. So "all the time" doesn't seem to fit.

yes most likely you turn a blind eye or are totally clueless of your surroundings. i on the other hand tend to watch others actions even from 20 feet away i can spot a ebt card being used and view the items purchased and who is involved. regardless i have seen it over 100 times (not from the same person 100 times but 100 diff people) i often hear my co workers saying they bought/borrow ebt cards off people (usually a family member) and gave them cash. must be so nice to live in the ghetto and never see crime (or maybe you just need glasses or dont pay attention to anything). we all know every type of system available is being abused. stimulus checks for illegals is crazy / end of conversation. we are all allowed to have different opinions, some people think we should give away all the $$ and drive on crappy roads and have shitty schools,

 

[CZroe]

We all know the cliches, anecdotes and opinions are like assholes...
Apparently the USDA audits food stamp fraud (at least) once or twice a decade. Nobody is saying fraud is non-existent, but it's significantly lower than in the (pre-EBT) early 1980s.

But in the presence of such reports and official data, we should instead believe the stories of a few guys on ATOT. Just to be clear, anecdotes can be believable depending on the source; whether they prove a larger pattern is the point being debated. From now on, I will keep a vigilant eye out at the supermarket for Gucci-toting, Escalade-driving, bulk soda purchasers swiping somebody else's EBT card.

I just searched YouTube for "food stamps mercedes" and the results were filled with actual news reports about people selling food stamps... something I didn't even search for. I even played one video that didn't mention anything about that in the title and a reporter confronted someone for selling EBT food stamps in the middle of the video. Another was a news report about them being sold on Craigslist. Another was from a local news station I recognize (WSB-TV). It's literally so rampant that I'm seeing report after report after report from credible news stations in a completely unrelated YouTube search.

Sorry, friend, but it verifiably it isn't just the experience of a few people on Anandtech, and that is about the worst reason you could have for dismissing first-hand accounts anyway. Even if it were just me, you don't get to discount my experience just because you didn't experience it... you couldn't anymore than you could expect me to suddenly convince myself that what I witnessed didn't happen just because you say you didn't witness the same thing wherever you were. How ludicrous is that?!

It happens and I can vouch for that. It isn't high-minded to ignore people who can vouch for it with personal anecdotes. It's ignorant, wilfull self-delusion, and rude. You're basically calling us liars or delusional schizophrenic based on absolutely nothing than what you want to believe.

 

[ch33zw1z]

obviously you didnt even read my posts, the person with the escalade was not selling the ebt nor buying the ebt money but instead was purchasing frivolous items most likely to resell, all while driving luxury automobiles. It was proof that the system gets abused often. (altho who knows maybe they did purchase the ebt credits off someone else that is not what i initially thought while watching them)

yes most likely you turn a blind eye or are totally clueless of your surroundings. i on the other hand tend to watch others actions even from 20 feet away i can spot a ebt card being used and view the items purchased and who is involved. regardless i have seen it over 100 times (not from the same person 100 times but 100 diff people) i often hear my co workers saying they bought/borrow ebt cards off people (usually a family member) and gave them cash. must be so nice to live in the ghetto and never see crime (or maybe you just need glasses or dont pay attention to anything). we all know every type of system available is being abused. stimulus checks for illegals is crazy / end of conversation. we are all allowed to have different opinions, some people think we should give away all the $$ and drive on crappy roads and have shitty schools,

Like usual, you make assumptions. There was plenty of crime going on. No, I don't tend to spy on people at the grocery checkouts, you got me there.

I just offered my life xp as did you. It's called anecdotal evidence. By your own admission, for all the millions of people receiving food subsidies, you've seen it 100 times?

Sounds like you live in an area ripe with dishonesty, where was that again?

I mean, what's the end game of your hard work I. This thread? Proving your anecdotes are better than others? You guys are funny, lol.

He's a fun fact, if people refused to participate in the scam by purchasing food subsidies, there would be no market for it. Should we just go with the classic drug slogan, "Just Say NO!".

Greed and screwing the government. Two classic american pastimes.

I never discounted anyone's xp here, just offered my own.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I just searched YouTube for "food stamps mercedes" and the results were filled with actual news reports about people selling food stamps... something I didn't even search for. I even played one video that didn't mention anything about that in the title and a reporter confronted someone for selling EBT food stamps in the middle of the video. Another was a news report about them being sold on Craigslist. Another was from a local news station I recognize (WSB-TV). It's literally so rampant that I'm seeing report after report after report from credible news stations in a completely unrelated YouTube search.

Sorry, friend, but it verifiably it isn't just the experience of a few people on Anandtech, and that is about the worst reason you could have for dismissing first-hand accounts anyway. Even if it were just me, you don't get to discount my experience just because you didn't experience it... you couldn't anymore than you could expect me to suddenly convince myself that what I witnessed didn't happen just because you say you didn't witness the same thing wherever you were. How ludicrous is that?!

It happens and I can vouch for that. It isn't high-minded to ignore people who can vouch for it with personal anecdotes. It's ignorant, wilfull self-delusion, and rude. You're basically calling us liars or delusional schizophrenic based on absolutely nothing than what you want to believe.

You're the victim.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'd be interested what @killster1 and @CZroe thought we should do about the problem?

 

[CZroe]

I'd be interested what @killster1 and @CZroe thought we should do about the problem?

I think people should be allowed to spend their benefits as they wish. Just give them cash and be done with this farce.

 

[cytg111]

I just searched YouTube for "food stamps mercedes" and the results were filled with actual news reports about people selling food stamps... something I didn't even search for. I even played one video that didn't mention anything about that in the title and a reporter confronted someone for selling EBT food stamps in the middle of the video. Another was a news report about them being sold on Craigslist. Another was from a local news station I recognize (WSB-TV). It's literally so rampant that I'm seeing report after report after report from credible news stations in a completely unrelated YouTube search.

Sorry, friend, but it verifiably it isn't just the experience of a few people on Anandtech, and that is about the worst reason you could have for dismissing first-hand accounts anyway. Even if it were just me, you don't get to discount my experience just because you didn't experience it... you couldn't anymore than you could expect me to suddenly convince myself that what I witnessed didn't happen just because you say you didn't witness the same thing wherever you were. How ludicrous is that?!

It happens and I can vouch for that. It isn't high-minded to ignore people who can vouch for it with personal anecdotes. It's ignorant, wilfull self-delusion, and rude. You're basically calling us liars or delusional schizophrenic based on absolutely nothing than what you want to believe.

Its almost like currency is a fundamental trait to homo sapiens in larger groups. Who the fuck knew?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think people should be allowed to spend their benefits as they wish. Just give them cash and be done with this farce.

So under the guise of the food subsidies? Or disband that altogether and start a UBI style payout?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You're the victim.

When you get a valid argument with facts and evidence, make sure to just dismiss it with personal attacks. Does that make you feel better?

 

[Ichinisan]

We all know the cliches, anecdotes and opinions are like assholes...
Apparently the USDA audits food stamp fraud (at least) once or twice a decade. Nobody is saying fraud is non-existent, but it's significantly lower than in the (pre-EBT) early 1980s.

But in the presence of such reports and official data, we should instead believe the stories of a few guys on ATOT. Just to be clear, anecdotes can be believable depending on the source; whether they prove a larger pattern is the point being debated. From now on, I will keep a vigilant eye out at the supermarket for Gucci-toting, Escalade-driving, bulk soda purchasers swiping somebody else's EBT card.

LOL! What magic audit can determine who the food was purchased for and identify it as fraud? Authorities will not get statistics for this practice, which is deliberately hidden from them.

 

[ch33zw1z]

When you get a valid argument with facts and evidence, make sure to just dismiss it with personal attacks. Does that make you feel better?

Point to where I did that, or anyone. I've yet to see that. Merely people pointing out personal anecdotes are simply that. GD you're stupid.

 

[Ichinisan]

Point to where I did that. GD you're stupid.

Quoted in his post.


(and you're doing it again in this post)

 

[ch33zw1z]

LOL! What magic audit can determine who the food was purchased for and identify it as fraud? Authorities will not get statistics for this practice, which is deliberately hidden from them.

It's deliberately hidden by reporting it in the news? How would you go about gathering the type of data required to turn anecdotes and stereotyping into useable data?

You guys are all over the map with this topic.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Quoted in his post.


(and you're doing it again in this post)

Not at all. The other poster played the victim card hard because others dare to challenge anecdotes.

 

[cytg111]

When you get a valid argument with facts and evidence, make sure to just dismiss it with personal attacks. Does that make you feel better?

Valid?
Tell me, what do you think the currency is in prison?
Its OK to think about it.

 

[K1052]

Moderna's mRNA vaccine shows no significant safety flags in phase 1 trial and initial efficacy data appears good. Low dose arm with negligible side effects is effective. Recipients are making antibodies and those antibodies are neutralizing.

If the efficacy and safety results hold up in phase 2 I expect the FDA will issue emergency use authorization as they simultaneously do phase 3.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1262367332627894274

 

[ch33zw1z]

IIRC, Moderna was the company working on a MERS vaccine for a couple years. My googleFU is failing me

 

[Greenman]

Trust me, getting an injection through tear duct is far scarier. Syringe towards your eye.

That made whats left of my hair stand up. Please don't ever mention it again.

 

[K1052]

IIRC, Moderna was the company working on a MERS vaccine for a couple years. My googleFU is failing me

Yes with NIH but MERS burned out before it could be tested. Quite a bit of work had already been done on coronavirus vaccines for MERS and SARS by companies and institutions which has enabled the swift turn to fight the novel virus that might not have been possible otherwise.

 

[kn51]

Totally recommend anyone who has ever had issues breathing nasally to see if you have a deviated septum. Best surgery evar.

Until you wake up after the surgery done.

Weird feeling when they pulled the stents out that were 6" long and then suctioned my sinus cavity out.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

In other news: TONS of fraud in our unemployment system. Man - states having their own rights really has its pros and cons. This would definitely be a con.

Things like this really shows that we REALLY need to completely revamp our systems to make them more in line with the times. But of course, if you're a government you have zero initiative to upgrade systems. You don't have someone that is going compete for your job.

It shouldn't be difficult to detect fraud like this.... Like... at all...

U.S. Secret Service: “Massive Fraud” Against State Unemployment Insurance Programs – Krebs on Security