NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Spacehead]

Why are airlines allow to operate? I want all passenger airlines shut down. That's how the virus spread all over the world. GROUND ALL PASSENGER AIRLINES NOW! We must save lives!

Caught the news tonight & they showed people packed into planes. So much for the "we're going to keep middle seats open" to keep a distance. Which didn't really make sense anyway.

 

[Roger Wilco]

This is not true.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

About a week ago, active cases were about 950k and today it's 1030k. The curve is being bent slightly, but as [DHT]Osiris points out, this is really only due to New York's epidemic being controlled (I didn't say "[fully] under control"). The U.S. sans NY metro confirmed cases are steadily increasing, and many experts are fearful that the second wave rolls in about 2 weeks from now.

It looks like active cases in the USA dropped for the first time today. I'm not saying it means anything, but the curve of active cases looks more than a little bent.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I get wanting to reopen factories but it's insane to force people to work at full capacity when they don't feel safe, and when there has actually been cases. Maple Lodge Farms and Cargill for example had cases yet they are forcing people to work.

At very least they should be trying to run them at reduced capacity where you have 1 person per general area. Even if you only output 10% product it's still better than nothing.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Caught the news tonight & they showed people packed into planes. So much for the "we're going to keep middle seats open" to keep a distance. Which didn't really make sense anyway.

I don't get why people are even traveling or why airlines are even still running. All that should have been shutdown.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You're a sick fuck. Stop normalizing 70k people dying in 2 months from a pandemic

Stop condemning the healthy to mental depression and financial ruin. Weve had 60 days of lockdown. We cant keep America closed until everyone is vaccinated.

Its irrational.

If you want to stay home, fine, more power to you. But the rest of us are going back to work with social distancing and extra precautions.

edit: We have lost a lot of wonderful people to this virus, Im not making light of that. But we have to be real. Life cannot stop, neither can death. We can take measures to mitigate loss as we do in all situations but the extreme measures have to come to an end.

 

[FelixDeCat]

In other news, a virus walks in to bar and orders a corona.....

 

[FelixDeCat]

I don't get why people are even traveling or why airlines are even still running. All that should have been shutdown.

If there has been any benefit of having less combustion of fossil fuels, is that people can once again see what clear skies are like around the world. I could post all the articles of peoples amazement from India to LA, but Im sure you can find those on your own.

Also, have you noticed....its snowing.. IN MAY in NYC. The first time in 50 years!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You're a sick fuck. Stop condemning the healthy to mental depression and financial ruin. Weve had 60 days of lockdown. We cant keep America closed until everyone is vaccinated.

Its irrational.

If you want to stay home, fine, more power to you. But the rest of us are going back to work with social distancing and extra precautions.

This.

People have an inept ability to imagine indirect lives and thus they can only see and perceive direct lives.

This is a huge problem - and its the source of all of our economic woes.

 

[brianmanahan]

just saw that corona was in my state in january, weeks before they thought it first got here

 

[Red Squirrel]

If there has been any benefit of having less combustion of fossil fuels, is that people can once again see what clear skies are like around the world. I could post all the articles of peoples amazement from India to LA, but Im sure you can find those on your own.

Also, have you noticed....its snowing.. IN MAY in NYC. The first time in 50 years!

Yeah it's crazy all the pollution in those places. When you can actually tell the difference you know it's bad under normal circumstances. Like some places people could not even see the milky way before. Easy to take the small things for granted until you realize some people don't have it. I can see the milky way from my house under even normal circumstances.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Yeah it's crazy all the pollution in those places. When you can actually tell the difference you know it's bad under normal circumstances. Like some places people could not even see the milky way before. Easy to take the small things for granted until you realize some people don't have it. I can see the milky way from my house under even normal circumstances.

I've yet to experience that. It must be a wonder to see.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I've yet to experience that. It must be a wonder to see.

It's pretty cool, see it better with long exposure picture but if you sit and stare long enough at the stars you can definitely start to see it. It won't look like actual pictures you see as those are long exposures but you do see a feint "whiteness" in a part of the sky. The northern lights are pretty cool too, but I'm not quite north enough to see them all the time but they show up now and then.

 

[IronWing]

Stop condemning the healthy to mental depression and financial ruin. Weve had 60 days of lockdown. We cant keep America closed until everyone is vaccinated.

Its irrational.

If you want to stay home, fine, more power to you. But the rest of us are going back to work with social distancing and extra precautions.

edit: We have lost a lot of wonderful people to this virus, Im not making light of that. But we have to be real. Life cannot stop, neither can death. We can take measures to mitigate loss as we do in all situations but the extreme measures have to come to an end.

Bullshit, the people most exposed when the economy reopens are also the most poorly compensated for that exposure. Reopening is all about 1) employers/states wanting to avoid paying for unemployment benefits and 2) greedy investors wanting their worker bees back to producing that sweet, sweet fruit the investor class skims.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Bullshit, the people most exposed when the economy reopens are also the most poorly compensated for that exposure. Reopening is all about 1) employers/states wanting to avoid paying for unemployment benefits and 2) greedy investors wanting their worker bees back to producing that sweet, sweet fruit the investor class skims.

....but I am a worker bee. I've been working and going to the office every day since this thing started. I work in an essential business. 80-90 percent of the office building floors have been vacated, but I've been there working my bee butt off since 2014.

Here is the view from my 9th floor honeycomb, there are only about 10 out of 100 people still working there (differs daily):



^working late.

 

[shortylickens]

its cool you're one of the successful worker bees but you need to understand a fuckload of people are basically indentured servants just barely able to afford rent and food. A substantial number of Americans are not able to save anything and will be in real trouble when they can't work anymore. The one percenters have managed to maneuver the country into a lifetime of labor with no real future.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The open up mantra and "let people decide" BS is just about shirking government responsibility and pushing less well-off people into the firing line.

I hope you understand that most of the "essential" workers who have been working constantly through the pandemic are generally "less well-off"? The people coming back will come from nearly every economic class that still requires employment.

I get wanting to reopen factories but it's insane to force people to work at full capacity when they don't feel safe, and when there has actually been cases. Maple Lodge Farms and Cargill for example had cases yet they are forcing people to work.

At very least they should be trying to run them at reduced capacity where you have 1 person per general area. Even if you only output 10% product it's still better than nothing.

It's not insane when you consider the consequences of forcing those people to stop working. I don't like it either, but if any of us want to continue buying food at the food store, people in ag jobs have to keep producing. They should have (and possibly could have) been more-aggressive about testing. Relying on half-assed safety procedures is a good way not only to risk the health of your employees but also risk lawsuits and shutdowns from your workforce becoming incapacitated.

Seriously, if you are running a business in this climate, you need to realize that getting your people sick is a good way to kill your own business. Employers and employees are going to need each other to get through this crisis.

 

[darkswordsman17]

It looks like active cases in the USA dropped for the first time today. I'm not saying it means anything, but the curve of active cases looks more than a little bent.

Pretty sure that's happened before (like after a month or so of stay at home) only for it to be meaningless. I'd also be leery because of attempts to start screwing with reporting specifically so they can claim that and force people back to work.

I hope you understand that most of the "essential" workers who have been working constantly through the pandemic are generally "less well-off"? The people coming back will come from nearly every economic class that still requires employment.



It's not insane when you consider the consequences of forcing those people to stop working. I don't like it either, but if any of us want to continue buying food at the food store, people in ag jobs have to keep producing. They should have (and possibly could have) been more-aggressive about testing. Relying on half-assed safety procedures is a good way not only to risk the health of your employees but also risk lawsuits and shutdowns from your workforce becoming incapacitated.

Seriously, if you are running a business in this climate, you need to realize that getting your people sick is a good way to kill your own business. Employers and employees are going to need each other to get through this crisis.

While that's true (that the essential workers are some of the worst treated/compensated), and certainly there's more than just the lowest income people that are being pushed back to work. But many of the higher income people have been working, and could continue to work from home a significant amount, and are much more able to practice social distancing. And they'll be much more able to handle it if (or I should say when) we have another explosion of cases and need to try and flatten the curve again. You're also ignoring that he's talking about the fact that those people that were already there are also going to be hurt, as more people increases their risk of exposure.

Are we also going to ignore a big part of that? We have a President and political side who has been demonizing immigrants, and they're a HUGE part of our food production chain. We're not magically going to replace that with American workers. And because of our immigration policies (and its not like they're going to improve during a global pandemic), we're going to have serious problems as those groups get sick. Which is what we're seeing in the meat packing plants with them trying to look the other way. What happens if thousands of migrant workers die? Even if we weren't openly antagonistic towards them, they'll stay away simply because its too high of a risk. And then what? We force Americans to accept that level of pay and care?

Absolutely, but I don't know what to say when you see the rampant psychopathy on display. Its clear there's a lot of people that have outsized power to ruin people's lives telling them they should be happy to risk their lives for shitty pay, while having not great health care to rely on. And if they don't then no job, and guess what they'll probably prevent them from collecting unemployment as well. And businesses that want to take care of their workers are going to be steamrolled into bad behavior because people in the government care more about money than people. How many of them have straight up said that yep people will die so what that's just the price people should pay. Or the asshole that said that it wasn't meat packing plants enabling the spread of the virus, those workers are getting it at home, and we should send police to their homes to enforce social distancing.

Certainly this is difficult situation even for good people taking smart actions. But its much worse because we have lunatic moron assholes with outsized power, making stupid decisions. We still don't even really have a plan for coming back, that is anything more than vague staged transition with "wash your hands and wear masks". We spent basically two months just in stasis while dipshits tried to fight over who's to blame and a bunch of other bullshit that doesn't help a goddamn thing, so we're going to end up back in the same place if not worse. And its very clear to see. Or we'll delude ourselves into idiocy because the summer sun keeps its spread to a minimum, and then fall hits and we end up with explosive spread because people are back to not taking it seriously (possibly even more convinced that its all a hoax), and we start doing sporting events and other shit that causes it to spread worse than ever. We're pushing 80-100k deaths even with us taking drastic measures for 2-3 months. Objectively that's going to start climbing as we open back up. Even if it tapers off through the summer, it will almost absolutely be back. And instead of preparing for that, we're gonna try to just go back to business as usual and then we'll be back to this same stupid situation.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Too much going on in this post to unpack it all and still say things I haven't said before. I will only summarize by saying that Covid-19 will probably not change anything much over the long term.

What happens if thousands of migrant workers die? Even if we weren't openly antagonistic towards them, they'll stay away simply because its too high of a risk. And then what? We force Americans to accept that level of pay and care?

They don't have to die. All it takes is some dead Americans for them to have a change of heart about living here. It won't even be legal for Americans to "accept that level of pay and care", so labor prices will go up. Wages will slowly start to crawl upwards in other sectors.

 

[brianmanahan]

elon musk said that tesla's opening up against county orders today. i wonder if other companies will follow suit?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1259945593805221891

 

[K1052]

elon musk said that tesla's opening up against county orders today. i wonder if other companies will follow suit?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1259945593805221891

The Bay Area restrictions are tighter than the rest of the state and the impression I get is that they are generally approved of since they've managed to avoid the fate of NYC or even LA which has a larger problem than SF metro. I doubt there will be too many rebels.

I think Musk's facility could be easily made safe to work in, maybe it has been so modified, but his public behavior has been reprehensible IMO.

Edit: I just read Alameda country was already basically on track to green light him to reopen on 5/18 with approval of their operating plan. I doubt they are going to play into his drama with an arrest.

 

[ponyo]

The Bay Area restrictions are tighter than the rest of the state and the impression I get is that they are generally approved of since they've managed to avoid the fate of NYC or even LA which has a larger problem than SF metro. I doubt there will be too many rebels.

I think Musk's facility could be easily made safe to work in, maybe it has been so modified, but his public behavior has been reprehensible IMO.

Edit: I just read Alameda country was already basically on track to green light him to reopen on 5/18 with approval of their operating plan. I doubt they are going to play into his drama with an arrest.

They weren't going to green light him for 5/18 open. That's BS. The earliest would've been 6/1. And that was still up in the air because the stupid county health official wouldn't commit even to that date. Musk is absolutely doing the right thing and taking this feud public to press the action. The backtrack of 5/18 green light approval is Alameda county trying to save face.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The Bay Area restrictions are tighter than the rest of the state and the impression I get is that they are generally approved of since they've managed to avoid the fate of NYC or even LA which has a larger problem than SF metro. I doubt there will be too many rebels.

I think Musk's facility could be easily made safe to work in, maybe it has been so modified, but his public behavior has been reprehensible IMO.

Edit: I just read Alameda country was already basically on track to green light him to reopen on 5/18 with approval of their operating plan. I doubt they are going to play into his drama with an arrest.

Yeah but CA is overall more like TX cities that are way less dense and more reliant on car transportation, no? That's part of it.

Regardless - this whole event has done a good job of exposing what dumb shits are elected in CA. What kind of an asshat tweets Fuck Elon Musk?

Oh well - I sincerely hope he takes that to heart and slowly moves production to a more accommodating state.

 

[K1052]

They weren't going to green light him for 5/18 open. That's BS. The earliest would've been 6/1. And that was still up in the air because the stupid county health official wouldn't commit even to that date. Musk is absolutely doing the right thing and taking this feud public to press the action. The backtrack of 5/18 green light approval is Alameda county trying to save face.

That's when the county restrictions were supposedly going to lift in general. It's plausible that Tesla could have negotiated an earlier open if their safety plan was approved. Both sides seem to claim different things at this point.

 

[brianmanahan]

Oh well - I sincerely hope he takes that to heart and slowly moves production to a more accommodating state.

im sure there are other countries that would be way more accommodating than any state

 

[K1052]

Yeah but CA is overall more like TX cities that are way less dense and more reliant on car transportation, no? That's part of it.

Regardless - this whole event has done a good job of exposing what dumb shits are elected in CA. What kind of an asshat tweets Fuck Elon Musk?

Oh well - I sincerely hope he takes that to heart and slowly moves production to a more accommodating state.

Deciding early to stop people from interacting and the virus from transmitting has more impact than the mode by which people move around. Density is less the issue than crowding but that's largely irrelevant if you stop movement early enough.

He's unlikely to move out of Fremont anytime soon. It would cost billions to build a new facility somewhere to just replace existing capacity. Eventually he'll need a new US plant to reach the kind of volume he wants but that's going to be a 5-10 year project. Like the other automakers who moved out of the rust belt I'd expect that facility to be in the south somewhere where labor costs are lowest.