NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Brainonska511]

I love the people that keep quoting the "80% are mild" thing, as if it's no big deal. It's not quite that simple; it's more like 80% are mild-to-moderate:

To quote a few parts from this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...us-symptoms-defining-mild-moderate-and-severe

Mild:

symptoms for a so-called "mild" case: "This mild infection starts normally with a fever, although it may take a couple of days to get a fever. You will have some respiratory symptoms; you have some aches and pains. You'll have a dry cough. This is what the majority of individuals will have."

It is "nothing that will make you feel like you need to run to a hospital"

Moderate:

Symptoms of being moderately ill with COVID-19 include coughing, fever above 100.4, chills and a feeling that you don't want to or can't get out of bed

For patients with moderate symptoms, hospitalization is unlikely unless they are having difficulty drawing a breath or are dehydrated. Signs of dehydration can include increased thirst, dry mouth, decreased urine output, yellow urine, dry skin, a headache and dizziness.

"Some of those individuals will go on to develop a mild form of pneumonia"

While pneumonia can often resolve on its own, especially in younger people, in older people and in those with underlying health conditions, pneumonia can be life-threatening or require hospitalization, especially if their immune system is weak. In these instances, without supplemental oxygen or, if needed, a respirator to aid breathing, a patient's organs can shut down and the patient can die. People with pneumonia can also get secondary bacterial infections, which can be life-threatening and require treatment with intravenous antibiotics.

Severe:

According to the report of the WHO-China joint mission, in about 1 in 5 patients, the infection gets worse. About 14% of cases can develop into severe disease, where patients may need supplemental oxygen. And 6% of cases become critical and may experience septic shock — a significant drop in blood pressure that can lead to stroke, heart or respiratory failure, failure of other organs or death.

Symptoms can progress to severe in a few hours — or over several days.

A different problem can occur if disease progresses. The virus can enter lung cells and start replicating, killing the cells. The immune system may take action to fight the virus, creating inflammation, destroying lung tissue and sometimes resulting in a more severe form of pneumonia.

 

[ponyo]

Wow, that takes some balls to pay a shit ton of retail workers for an entire week of absolutely no work. I guess good on Nike.

Nike and Apple are paying their employees during the store closures. But these two companies have piles of money. Not all companies have the money or will be generous. And if this lasts longer than expected, I doubt even Nike and Apple will be as generous and will begin to cut staff and layoff people. The shocking events the last couple of days have completely changed my short term economic outlook. I have adjusted my investments accordingly and my views are becoming increasingly more negative. I have zero confidence in Donald Trump and his ability to handle this crisis. And the people below him in charge are all yes men and morons incapable of leading. I made the mistake of thinking this could be contained and economic impact minimized. It's becoming increasingly clear I was wrong and we're headed to worst case economic scenario. To everyone, buckle up. We're headed for a crash.

 

[Mai72]

I love the people that keep quoting the "80% are mild" thing, as if it's no big deal. It's not quite that simple; it's more like 80% are mild-to-moderate:

To quote a few parts from this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...us-symptoms-defining-mild-moderate-and-severe

Mild:


Moderate:


Severe:

The problem with the gen population in America is the obesity epidemic, type2 diabetes. Over 60% of Americans have at least 1 type underlinging condition, and many have 2 or more. This is the unknown. Will a mild case of COVID-19 turn severe because of those underlining conditions. If I were a smoker I'd quit ASAP. I know a coworker who has asthma and is a smoker. Will those people be greatly affected more? Only time will tell I guess.

 

[ultimatebob]

Nike and Apple are paying their employees during the store closures. But these two companies have piles of money. Not all companies have the money or will be generous. And if this lasts longer than expected, I doubt even Nike and Apple will be as generous and will begin to cut staff and layoff people. The shocking events the last couple of days have completely changed my short term economic outlook. I have adjusted my investments accordingly and my views are becoming increasingly more negative. I have zero confidence in Donald Trump and his ability to handle this crisis. And the people below him in charge are all yes men and morons incapable of leading. I made the mistake of thinking this could be contained and economic impact minimized. It's becoming increasingly clear I was wrong and we're headed to worst case economic scenario. To everyone, buckle up. We're headed for a crash.

I hope that more people start thinking like you... I want buy up some Tesla when it finally gets back to a reasonable valuation

 

[Mai72]

Nike and Apple are paying their employees during the store closures. But these two companies have piles of money. Not all companies have the money or will be generous. And if this lasts longer than expected, I doubt even Nike and Apple will be as generous and will begin to cut staff and layoff people. The shocking events the last couple of days have completely changed my short term economic outlook. I have adjusted my investments accordingly and my views are becoming increasingly more negative. I have zero confidence in Donald Trump and his ability to handle this crisis. And the people below him in charge are all yes men and morons incapable of leading. I made the mistake of thinking this could be contained and economic impact minimized. It's becoming increasingly clear I was wrong and we're headed to worst case economic scenario. To everyone, buckle up. We're headed for a crash.

Yea, this could potentially affect 401ks and even pensions if this is prolonged.

 

[Brainonska511]

The problem with the gen population in America is the obesity epidemic, type2 diabetes. Over 60% of Americans have at least 1 type underlinging condition, and many have 2 or more. This is the unknown. Will a mild case of COVID-19 turn severe because of those underlining conditions. If I were a smoker I'd quit ASAP. I know a coworker who has asthma and is a smoker. Will those people be greatly affected more? Only time will tell I guess.

Many of those comorbidities exist around the world. Early reporting suggested that incidence of smoking in males >40 years led to the difference in mortality rates in that age/sex population.

My main point though was to try and dispel the notion that "mild cases" are no big deal. I think the chance of developing pneumonia not requiring hospitalization is a pretty big fucking deal.

 

[shortylickens]

Yesterday I had a thought that escaped me but this morning I remembered it again.

The HIGHEST risk people for any communicable disease is also a group most Americans never consider: Prisoners.

Think about it. They have shit healthcare in America and are forced into close proximity with each other with no chance to protect themselves. One prison staffer can infect the entire bunch and theres nothing anyone could do about it. Yet another argument against having the highest incarceration rate in the world.

 

[killster1]

Yesterday I had a thought that escaped me but this morning I remembered it again.

The HIGHEST risk people for any communicable disease is also a group most Americans never consider: Prisoners.

Think about it. They have shit healthcare in America and are forced into close proximity with each other with no chance to protect themselves. One prison staffer can infect the entire bunch and theres nothing anyone could do about it. Yet another argument against having the highest incarceration rate in the world.

yea we should just let all the prisoners go right? they already have to light of sentencing i think the biggest problem is people do a crime they see they got zero time for it and so they do it again. prisoners actually get fairly good healthcare, dr appointments xrays dental etc. have you been to prison? worked in a prison? live in usa? would it be so bad if all the prisoners got it and died? i dont think so, so i really dont care.

 

[IronWing]

Arizona prisons aren't allowing visitors for the duration of the current unpleasantness.

 

[Exterous]

So MI Secretary of State is now only allowing people who need to apply for a first time driver's license, CDL\chauffeur\motorcycle\etc testing and title transfers to come into their office. All other actions must be done online. Except my driver's license renewal can't be done online (says so on my renewal form and the attempt fails "Please visit a local branch").

So I guess I go in and plead my case to be let in or I'm just done driving soon...

We have been reassured we won't have a supply problem for toilet paper lol

Canada's toilet paper supply is safe amid COVID-19 pandemic, according to market leader

Scenes of panic-buying around the world since the outbreak of COVID-19 has prompted some consumers to stockpile toilet paper, leaving some store shelves across Canada bare. But the country’s largest manufacturer of toilet paper, Kruger Products, has reassured Canadians there is no danger of...

beta.ctvnews.ca

There are some videos online of TP warehouse workers laughing at the shortages followed by panoramic shots of their massive warehouses full of TP

No more late night trips to avoid crowds.

Dang it

 

[FelixDeCat]

Arizona prisons aren't allowing visitors for the duration of the current unpleasantness.

There go my weekend plans.

 

[IronWing]

There go my weekend plans.

Was your sister-wife coming to visit you?

 

[ponyo]

I hope that more people start thinking like you... I want buy up some Tesla when it finally gets back to a reasonable valuation

I sold TSLA trading position in $720 range two weeks ago to deleverage and was down to my core TSLA position. I sold my entire TSLA core position Friday morning in the premarket for $600. I was planning to hold and ride down my core position no matter what. But I realized this virus is different and we're seeing countries take actions we haven't seen in like 100 years. Tesla is going to do great and they're going to come out of this stronger than ever. They're completely dominating. But no company how great is an island. Apple fell 75% during the 2008 crash even after the introduction of the iPhone. Amazon fell 95% during the dotcom crash. The negative world macros are too strong and no matter how well Tesla is executing, they will be dragged down with it. Tesla can release all the good news and kick butt but the market will discount it and it won't matter. Panic is not the time to think rational. My feeling about Tesla's longterm future haven't changed one bit. They're going to completely own the world in the next 5-20 years. But I can't continue to ignore the increasingly negative macro environment. I have to protect myself and my family. So I went to all cash and will trade long/short short term until I get clearer picture about the financial impact of this virus.

 

[Mai72]

Many of those comorbidities exist around the world. Early reporting suggested that incidence of smoking in males >40 years led to the difference in mortality rates in that age/sex population.

My main point though was to try and dispel the notion that "mild cases" are no big deal. I think the chance of developing pneumonia not requiring hospitalization is a pretty big fucking deal.

Yea, smokers are going to have a difficult time with this virus. I'm on board with you. Many people are still not taking this serious. I think about the poor cashiers who are coming into contact with hundreds of possible COVID-19 infected. I think about the school districst who are still open in my area. We are probably going to be closed sometime this week. I live in NJ BTW. Yea, we all take our health for granted until we get sick. Human nature I guess.

 

[Muse]

You are clearly a prick.

Actually, @killster1, I slept on your comments and have to agree... I'm a goddamned stick in the mud. Having at ya... maybe if we survive this (I'm more worried about myself, I'm way older obviously), I hope to hit you up for some travel suggestions (got my luggage, passport and some cash).

 

[FelixDeCat]

hi

 

[FelixDeCat]

Was your sister-wife coming to visit you?

Have you been ingesting hand sanitizer again? Dude, you dont need a drink that bad!

 

[Brainonska511]

Yea, smokers are going to have a difficult time with this virus. I'm on board with you. Many people are still not taking this serious. I think about the poor cashiers who are coming into contact with hundreds of possible COVID-19 infected. I think about the school districst who are still open in my area. We are probably going to be closed sometime this week. I live in NJ BTW. Yea, we all take our health for granted until we get sick. Human nature I guess.

I think school districts are in a tough predicament: for some children, it's the only place where they can get 1-2 proper meals per day, and parents rely on schools as a form of daycare since they may still have to work (and can't work remotely), but then at the same time, schools could serve as a central point where the virus could spread. Municipalities are playing an important role in fighting this, but the fragmented approach is not enough. You need stronger leadership from above and the resources those governments can bring to bear

 

[Spacehead]

Has anyone noticed that older people (over 60) aren't taking this seriously?

I can't speak to the over 60 people(other than my parents) but it's the younger people around where i live that (seems) most aren't taking seriously. The majority of people i work with(under 55) are still treating it just like the flu. At least that what they are saying to me. You get it , feel bad for a few days a week maybe & go on with your life.
They keep repeating numbers about seasonal flu, the H1N1 outbreak of 2009 i think it was. Those kill(ed) way more people than this ever will(their words, not mine).
It doesn't seem to be sinking in for them how transmittable this is, even if you don't come down with symptoms.

Granted, there are no known cases near us as yet but we all know that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

But there are people still coming to work sick too.

 

[FelixDeCat]

FYI: someone mentioned this earlier in this thread or some other, regarding making their own hand sanitizer:

this is a simple thing, but just remember to keep track of your percentages. Someone said mix IPA 50/50 with hand lotion or whatever....if you do that, you're 99% IPA is now 50% in your final solution, so no bueno.

make sure you take stock of final volume of solution based on original percentage of reagents.

M(olarity)1 * V(olume)1 = M2V2. just keep that in mind. You can also swap "percentage" for M--just keep your units straight. concentration, though (say you have something that is mg/ml) isn't a direct swap for M.

for example. you want to make 200 ml of hand sanitizer. The critical thing is keeping your IPA at 70%, minimum. you have "100%" IPA, whatever that is, and you want to make sure you end up with 70% in your sanitizer. so, you need to figure out what volume of "100%" will insure you have 70% of IPA in your final, let's say 200ml, bottle of stuff:

x(1) = 200ml(0.7)
x = 140ml

so...you need 140ml of "100%" IPA to make 200ml of a solution that contains 70% IPA. That gives you 60ml of remaining volume to play with, I would suggest a mixture of lotion (maybe J&J baby soap/shampoo and a mixture of ddH20 and a *very small amount* of SDS (like 100 ul) and a non-ionic detergent) ....or just use Dawn, lol. It's quite powerful (it already contains SDS with other non-ionic detergents, I think).

maybe 60ml = 30ml lotion/shampoo + 10ml Dawn + 20ml ddH20

Aloe vera is better for this application than lotion. Also I think 140ml is too much, perhahps 139ml should do the trick. Yes, molarity is important but so is practicality.

 

[Mai72]

Dr. Fauci states hundreds of thousands could potentilly die from this virus. Worse cause, millions. That's in America folks. Say what you want. Maybe he's overreacting, but this IMO should be the mindset. Maybe we need to view everyone that we come into contact as infected. Or, maybe it's too late? I've been to my local stores. I've been surrounded by people. I don't know...

 

[killster1]

Actually, @killster1, I slept on your comments and have to agree... I'm a goddamned stick in the mud. Having at ya... maybe if we survive this (I'm more worried about myself, I'm way older obviously), I hope to hit you up for some travel suggestions (got my luggage, passport and some cash).

hey its OK i know i am a prick, call it how i see it, we all have our opinions and mine is most people when i ask what they did for their day off they said "sat around the house did laundry etc" well for my day off tomorrow im going snowboarding. if the ski lifts are closed im going to hike up and snowboard down, its been snowing the past 3 days in the mountain and we love that fresh snow. Its 2 hours to the snow 1.5 hours to the beach from my house so im always out doing something. I SUPER enjoyed my europe trip last october, ireland, london, france, italy, little bit of spain. i guess it was perfect timing too because looks like its fuct for a while there. (or if we ever get a vaccine i guess would be perfect to travel again there). what i did notice is everyone is jam packed together on subways, very dirty and old fashion. it wasnt exactly a budget trip tho, ive been to europe and stayed in hostels but last time we stayed at places with a gym and in a good location to maximize the experience (and make the wife happy).

felix, good point aloe is very good to add with iso since it dries your hands out the aloe will help moisturize with out being so greasy.

 

[Brainonska511]

Dr. Fauci states hundreds of thousands could potentilly die from this virus. Worse cause, millions. That's in America folks. Say what you want. Maybe he's overreacting, but this IMO should be the mindset. Maybe we need to view everyone that we come into contact as infected. Or, maybe it's too late? I've been to my local stores. I've been surrounded by people. I don't know...

The sad part about all of this: if we actually practiced appropriate social distancing, few would get sick and die overall, then everyone would be like "see, it was an overreaction"

 

[rh71]

My county's schools (Nassau, LI) are now closed for the next 2 weeks until 3/27. Our town was already closed last week because a district staff member contracted the virus.

My kids have been playing a lot of video games. But now they'll start google classroom work. The high-schoolers are the ones who will have a lot of real work to do to keep up.

 

[Mai72]

My county's schools (Nassau, LI) are now closed for the next 2 weeks until 3/27. Our town was already closed last week because a district staff member contracted the virus.

My kids have been playing a lot of video games. But now they'll start google classroom work. The high-schoolers are the ones who will have a lot of real work to do to keep up.

I think we could be out of shool for at least 1 month. Maybe even longer. By the 2 week mark we should start the see the large uptick with this infection.
I feel for the people who don't have the luxury to work remotely, and if they have children. This is a nightmare for them.