NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Muse]

Saw that in the news.
I bet America still screws around with a response.

WHO was late in this, don't know why they were delaying. The writing's been on the walls for weeks.

Maybe we should have a separate Coronavirus meme thread.... but I thought this was funny.

Well, thing is, it may well turn out that the lucky ones among us are those that get it early enough where we can get decent treatment if we need it. Seriously, I figure the time to be most careful is when the bell curve is at the top. Might be better (at least for me, I'm higher risk) to stay home period when it gets to that.

 

[FelixDeCat]

This is going to get much worse before it gets better, but it will get better.

In other more personal news our school announced that classes would resume tomorrow but that all changed about two hours ago when they cancelled classes for the remainder of the week due to multiple students becoming symptomatic. It looks like we may have the first community spread in DFW here.

I've lived here all my life. We've survived a lot, well make it out of this one too, even though the population has quadrupled and now stands at near 8 million round these parts.

 

[FelixDeCat]

An enormous problem with this is that in Italy, they've practically stopped testing, as it's beyond practical value to bother with in their current state of emergency. Similarly the case count in Iran is stratospherically higher than officially reported due to the infrastructure not really existing in a condition to accurately measure it, or an interest by their government in recording information on the case and death counts. There is an online data site where Iranian human rights activists, health care workers, civilians, and some anonymous civil personnel have been uploading videos of round the clock rapid burials, often in large open pits where many are dumped haphazardly into the thing to be covered rapidly, amidst a sea of similarly covered fresh mounds of the waves of dead. Videos of people collapsing on the streets, in front of hospitals which are closed to new arrivals due to being overwhelmed, and health care workers themselves being stuck with Cytokine storm shock syndrome, which strikes down even the young and healthy workers in stunning alacrity. Hours from outwardly healthy, to total organ failure and death, even for teenagers and nurses in their 20s.

I suspect this was exaggerated.

 

[Muse]

LOL is India trying to insinuate that they are clean and they don't want it getting in?

Because that would be funny.

Dude, India is very densely populated. Very high population. A lot of poor mingling people a great many of whom are not very well educated.

The name of the game is flatten the bell curves. Anything that can be done to slow down the progression of the epidemic anywhere is going to lessen the severity of the impact on the human race. This and the climate crisis appear to be our major concerns. If and when this goes away, there's still the climate crisis. But together, oh boy. I hope it turns out that this comes under control. It may turn out to be a lot tougher to deal with than we hope.

 

[ponyo]

Honestly, they should cancel all schools for a month IMO.

 

[Muse]

Amtrak just said't they're basically f'd. Bookings down 50%. Cancellations up 300%. Huge revenue loss. Plans to cut service and seek government help.

Too bad we have a doofus in the White House. FDR is the president we need for this. Trump only knows how to take care of the 1%ers. Raising the nation out of the doldrums is no task for the luxury worshiping pussy grabber, liar in chief.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Dude, India is very densely populated. Very high population. A lot of poor mingling people a great many of whom are not very well educated.

The name of the game is flatten the bell curves. Anything that can be done to slow down the progression of the epidemic anywhere is going to lessen the severity of the impact on the human race. This and the climate crisis appear to be our major concerns. If and when this goes away, there's still the climate crisis. But together, oh boy. I hope it turns out that this comes under control. It may turn out to be a lot tougher to deal with than we hope.

And you have to remember India dispenses the strongest anti-virals known to man to anyone just like candy. It has gotten so bad that the most resistant infections have come from India. Life finds a way to survive. If something morphs there it will be big.

 

[Muse]

NYC St. Pats day parade canceled.

DOW closes in bear territory.

DC declares emergency.

NCAA recommends games be played without fans.

That's just in one day. Throw in the NBA cancels the entire season.

It's breathless now. This was fascinating a few weeks ago. Now it's just OMG on a daily basis. Grab onto something and hold on. The ride is just starting. Dig, "sanity is a full time job."

 

[Kaido]

Logarithmic scale of cases, starting at 100 cases, by country. Gives us a pretty good idea of where the US will be in another week and a half. I fear how far Italy goes until they taper.
View attachment 18019

Seems like we're going to get hit hard in the US over the next few weeks...

 

[Muse]

Well that's not good, getting closer to home!

Sudbury has its first Covid-19 case (updated)

Man remains in self-isolation

www.thesudburystar.com

3 hours away.

Suppose to go this Easter weekend for a hockey tournament... I don't like the idea of that now. But if I don't go I'll be spending Easter alone since all my family is going.

My family had a function on Leap Day, a brunch on Mar. 1, and I flew back home that evening. I was a little nervous about going, TBH, but figured the odds of my coming down with it that weekend (San Diego) were slim, on the order of 1/1000. If it were this coming weekend, I don't think I'd go.

I figure the odds of my getting this are at least 50%. I'm trying not to, but figure I should expend at least as much energy in trying to prepare for when I have it. If I don't get it, fine. I'm better prepared for the flu.

 

[Muse]

Why do I think TP will start showing up on that evil auction site for something like $10-15/roll?

People are scum.

I saw something (homeopathic lozenges?) for sale at Amazon a couple days ago listed at $99 and complained to Amazon concerning price gouging. I mean it was at most a $15 item normally.

 

[Kaido]

I know it may seem like an over-reaction for so many businesses to switch to remote work, for states to declare a state of emergency, etc., but I'd much rather have us be over-prepared than under-prepared.

I pretty much spent all day discussing remote setup options with my various IT clients. A surprisingly number of companies are being VERY proactive about this. Unfortunately, there are some companies like fabrication shops & food vendors that have to be on-site for much of their work to be done. So far, most remote workers are management & cubicle-dwellers. I'm curious to see how this plays out long-term, in terms of how businesses change their working models on a more permanent basis.

Schools are doing the same thing, lots of online classes now. My buddy's kid's high school teachers setup Discord channels & other online resources for remote attendance. The local college I go to night classes at went as far as going online-only for the next month, even for certification classes. Crazy stuff. Glad to see that companies & schools are mobile enough these days to adjust for things like pandemics!

 

[Kaido]

One thing I'm kinda shocked at is how fragile the world economy is. In the U.S., we're waking up to the fact of just how dependent we are on China. The news is even saying that one dude (Saudi crown prince) could tank the world economy if his choices turn out bad:

Saudi crown prince gambles on an oil price war. His latest brash move could sink the world economy

Inside oil-rich Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman is both feared and loved. in the past few days, the world has witnessed what his subjects have come to know.

www.cnn.com

 

[IronWing]

My employer is stress testing the remote login system in case all employees end up working from home. Things are going pretty well with it. Payroll works. The rest really doesn't matter.

 

[Kaido]

My employer is stress testing the remote login system in case all employees end up working from home. Things are going pretty well with it. Payroll works. The rest really doesn't matter.

Yeah modern VPN systems are pretty great. You can get a turnkey Barracuda appliance that supports 1,000 concurrent users these days.

 

[Kaido]

Looks like the official term for keeping things low-key in public is called "Social Distancing":

Here’s what LA County’s new coronavirus guidelines could mean for local restaurants

LA’s Health Department issued recommendations for those with underlying health conditions, which directly impacts dining out — as well as self-serve buffets

la.eater.com

 

[Kaido]

Man, restaurants are getting hit hard:

Coronavirus concerns shut down three San Gabriel Valley restaurants, others suffer plummeting sales

Drops in business are estimated between 30 to 75 percent, according to dozens of Chinese restaurant owners

la.eater.com

* Chinese restaurant revenue is down 30% to 75%
* Several restaurants have closed & others don't know how long they can hang on for
* Lots of supply-chain issues for key ingredients
* One restaurant is doing body-temperature checks before people are allowed to come in
* Many restaurants are offering delivery services now

I wonder what impact this will have on meal-delivery services. I used to use Ubereats, but in my area at least, it now costs more for fees, delivery costs, taxes, and tips than it does for the meal. A $9 sushi roll costs $21 delivered. No way. But (1) maybe prices will go down as more places opt for delivery options, or (2) maybe prices will stay the same & people will just be more willing to pay the extra cost. I'm curious what the long-term effects will be too. I mean, this is a pandemic, but we'll get through it, eventually, but I'm curious to see how many businesses will keep their VPN stuff up & how many restaurants will have a stronger focus on delivery.

 

[killster1]

when do you start keeping your kids home from school? i work in a prison kinda place so icant exactly remotely work from home i did have a vacation scheduled for may and the end of april i guess i can just stay home and burn my days, technically they can call me in and i have to come to work or quit according to the contract. Guess i can say im not home to come in idk.. 2 boys one in high school other in middle school in california .. what to do what to do.. make it to the end of the wweek then take them out.. hate for them to fail classes because of it but i guess dying would be worse hahahah

wow since i was a kid i had this idea of running a restaurant with robots and humans looking over the robots wearing hazmat type suits. my dream might actually become a reality it was mostly for malicious type acts like not washing hands after returning from toilet or spitting in peoples food ((robots would never do that!)

 

[Muse]

i feel like you need to use the multi quote button more muse!
i take 5,000 iu in the morning of vitamin D for fun, also take multi, a vitamin e, a glucosamine, b12 complex, then i decided since i take all these vitamins maybe i need to take liv52 pill to help my liver rebuild it self from all this vitamin usage my blood tests are great, feel amazing always, yea the 30,000 or 50,000 are once a week pills, 6 months of tests? how about just 1 full blood test that you can order your self brianmanahan? i get mine from healthonelabs https://www.healthonelabs.com/tests_offer/buytest/201/ they have coupons and sales often, the tests are ordered by some dr online that you never even speak to just go to the lab give them 7 vials of your blood and bam test results in 24 hours. Im super lazy to go to the dr and argue with them about needing a test or wanting a test and then returning to the dr for the results of the test. i guess its usually 30 min wait time but it always seems longer when you are around sick people in a waiting room

Wow! Yeah, truth is I don't know how to use "the multi quote button." How do you use that? I've done multi-quote posts, but to do that I had to find my last post and combine my current post with that, and etc. Uh, is there a tutorial? How do I "multi quote" more conveniently?

Now, those blood tests. I have Kaiser Permanente HMO, and my dr will usually approve what I want tested. I don't have to go anywhere to get the results. They are all there online and I can see a graph of each result compared with the same parameter from pervious tests, e.g. 2018, 2017, etc. A week or two later I get a letter with test results too.

Where you get your ideas for what vitamins to take and how much makes me curious. I just don't know. I hear so much about how nobody knows if vitamins help or not. Obviously, D3 really does help a ton with repiratory diseases, just watch that video of Dr. Campbell upward in this thread IIRC. It's a long video if you watch the whole thing but he's really impressive and obviously knows his stuff. The numbers he squeezes bear out the message. BTW, @killster1, I dropped that idea of getting that fancy bidet. Don't have time for that kind of shit, at least not right now!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Dear God the sheer number of emails I got today of "x company's statement on the COVID-19 Virus"


No fucking Advanced Auto Parts. I don't give a shit what you think about the pandemic.

 

[Muse]

Maybe we should have a separate Coronavirus meme thread.... but I thought this was funny.

Well, thing is, it may well turn out that the lucky ones among us are those that get it early enough where we can get decent treatment if we need it. Seriously, I figure the time to be most careful is when the bell curve is at the top. Might be better (at least for me, I'm higher risk) to stay home period when it gets to that.

Anyone NOT going to the gym? I go to LA Fitness which has tons of people. Thought this was a little overblown but now I'm seeing NBA being suspended, NCAA Tournament suspended, travel from Europe suspended. People are putting safety before profits, that's how you know it's bad.

I've been thinking about not going to the gym. I haven't stopped... I am higher risk and figure maybe I should. But again, my HMO isn't overrun now. But here's my thinking. I could (plan to...) go to the gym tomorrow, get exposed, come down with it but not be symptomatic. Only get symptomatic in 10 days or more, then have a moderate illness for 2 weeks, then get seriously ill. By that time my HMO might not be able to do a lot for me compared to now.

So, stopping going to the gym, as well as my volunteer gig is on my mind. If I do that, I'll just stay home unless I'm shopping, I figure. I have plenty of things I can do at home, I won't be twiddling my thumbs.

 

[brainhulk]

I have these:

PureZone 3-in-1 True HEPA Air Purifier

PureZone 3-in-1 True HEPA Air Purifier

home.woot.com

Amazon.com : ZIPOUTE Snorkel Mask Full Face, Full Face Snorkel Mask Adult and Kids with Detachable Camera Mount, Snorkeling Mask 180 Panoramic View Anti-Fog Anti-Leak Dry Top Set : Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com : ZIPOUTE Snorkel Mask Full Face, Full Face Snorkel Mask Adult and Kids with Detachable Camera Mount, Snorkeling Mask 180 Panoramic View Anti-Fog Anti-Leak Dry Top Set : Sports & Outdoors

www.amazon.com

I wanted to run a tube to the snorkel from the purifier. Would that work instead of a n95 mask?

 

[killster1]

Anyone NOT going to the gym? I go to LA Fitness which has tons of people. Thought this was a little overblown but now I'm seeing NBA being suspended, NCAA Tournament suspended, travel from Europe suspended. People are putting safety before profits, that's how you know it's bad.

WHO was late in this, don't know why they were delaying. The writing's been on the walls for weeks.

Well, thing is, it may well turn out that the lucky ones among us are those that get it early enough where we can get decent treatment if we need it. Seriously, I figure the time to be most careful is when the bell curve is at the top. Might be better (at least for me, I'm higher risk) to stay home period when it gets to that.

Wow! Yeah, truth is I don't know how to use "the multi quote button." How do you use that? I've done multi-quote posts, but to do that I had to find my last post and combine my current post with that, and etc. Uh, is there a tutorial? How do I "multi quote" more conveniently?

Now, those blood tests. I have Kaiser Permanente HMO, and my dr will usually approve what I want tested. I don't have to go anywhere to get the results. They are all there online and I can see a graph of each result compared with the same parameter from pervious tests, e.g. 2018, 2017, etc. A week or two later I get a letter with test results too.

Where you get your ideas for what vitamins to take and how much makes me curious. I just don't know. I hear so much about how nobody knows if vitamins help or not. Obviously, D3 really does help a ton with repiratory diseases, just watch that video of Dr. Campbell upward in this thread IIRC. It's a long video if you watch the whole thing but he's really impressive and obviously knows his stuff. The numbers he squeezes bear out the message. BTW, @killster1, I dropped that idea of getting that fancy bidet. Don't have time for that kind of shit, at least not right now!

Well, thing is, it may well turn out that the lucky ones among us are those that get it early enough where we can get decent treatment if we need it. Seriously, I figure the time to be most careful is when the bell curve is at the top. Might be better (at least for me, I'm higher risk) to stay home period when it gets to that.

I've been thinking about not going to the gym. I haven't stopped... I am higher risk and figure maybe I should. But again, my HMO isn't overrun now. But here's my thinking. I could (plan to...) go to the gym tomorrow, get exposed, come down with it but not be symptomatic. Only get symptomatic in 10 days or more, then have a moderate illness for 2 weeks, then get seriously ill. By that time my HMO might not be able to do a lot for me compared to now.

So, stopping going to the gym, as well as my volunteer gig is on my mind. If I do that, I'll just stay home unless I'm shopping, I figure. I have plenty of things I can do at home, I won't be twiddling my thumbs.

OK So here it is .. you click the quote button then click it again and again and again.. then you hit insert quotes and BAM its there.. you could reply between the <quote> marks to separate your replies. I go to the GYM everyday.. but its in my spare bedroom bwahahah i dont like to go to a real gym because i figure every year that i dont go i can buy a NICE peice of equipment for my own gym. I have a smith machine a free barbell with over 500 pounds of weight with dumbells up to 75 pounds. i really enjoy the smith machine because i can never crush myself like i have done with freeweights benching. as far as vitamins well i just kinda do what ever then check my blood levels after a while. glucosamine really does help my joint pain. i never go in the sun so i figure i need VIT D and vit E is good for your skin. i just take one of most of them except the vitamin D, a bidet is what you need now days since toilet paper is so hard to get hehe. My other house in asia has one on every toilet but in usa none of my houses have them So go buy some fitness equipment wipe it down real good maybe twice if your worried, then get to it!

 

[Red Squirrel]

I definitely would avoid the gym if you're at risk. It's not like there's any kind of repercussions to not going. It's one thing being hesitant of skipping work as you kinda have to be there until they tell you to work from home, but nobody is forcing you to go to the gym. Anything voluntary I would avoid really. Even myself I'm doing my best to avoid any kind of public contact. I'm fairly low risk and my whole region is fairly low risk due to smaller population but better safe than sorry.

 

[Muse]

OK So here it is .. you click the quote button then click it again and again and again.. then you hit insert quotes and BAM its there.. you could reply between the <quote> marks to separate your replies. I go to the GYM everyday.. but its in my spare bedroom bwahahah i dont like to go to a real gym because i figure every year that i dont go i can buy a NICE peice of equipment for my own gym. I have a smith machine a free barbell with over 500 pounds of weight with dumbells up to 75 pounds. i really enjoy the smith machine because i can never crush myself like i have done with freeweights benching. as far as vitamins well i just kinda do what ever then check my blood levels after a while. glucosamine really does help my joint pain. i never go in the sun so i figure i need VIT D and vit E is good for your skin. i just take one of most of them except the vitamin D, a bidet is what you need now days since toilet paper is so hard to get hehe. My other house in asia has one on every toilet but in usa none of my houses have them So go buy some fitness equipment wipe it down real good maybe twice if your worried, then get to it!

Uh hit quote a few times, saw message that the message was added to multi-quote. But I don't see anything. WTF? I'll have to putz around with it and figure out how it works...

Well, I composed this already in a text editor in response:

I'll try that multi-quote stuff... guess trial and error will reveal the functionality. Your description mystifies me some...

My gym is 24hourfitness, one of their super gyms. Got in on a deal they offered around 20 years ago... I paid ~$750 (IIRC) up front, got 2-3 years for that, then $100/year for life! They closed my gym a year ago and to compensate us losers they said we could go to the super gym, which we couldn't have before with our memberships. I was salty 'cause it was 3+ miles further, but after a while realized that biking/skating 5 miles each way 3x/week was totally working for my aerobic requirements. I haven't been in such great aerobic condition for over 10 years.

But yeah, I should maybe cool it with 24hourfitnes until this covid-19 thing blows over entirely. Maybe give up my once a week 3 hour college DJ show too. I did it this afternoon (I'm on Wednesdays at 3PM), they have a container of Clorox wipes you can wipe everything down with at the beginning of your show, and I did that. Still, all the CDs and records and surfaces, there could be spores around. They are encouraging the volunteers to only come in if they have to. I was careful not to touch my face with my fingers. Hope I didn't do it unconsciously. At home I do it, but I'm trying to train myself to not touch my face outside of the house (when I've already washed my hands). The campus isn't aware of any cases yet, but they have suspended classes. It's U.C. Berkeley. It's only a matter of time. I figure within a week they'll announce that someone has tested positive. There is one case in Berkeley (that was announced around 5 days ago, maybe there are more now) and under quarantine. AFAIK only 3 known in the county so far, but surrounding counties are not so lucky. It's only a matter of time. S.F. is kind of shut down.

I used to have a barbell and plates before I joined a gym in the middle 1980s. I have a few things, an inflated exercise sphere, some rolls, I guess a couple of tiny dumbells, I think. Even have a bench that I converted into a bike rack! I could get some stuff. Never heard of a Smith machine, have to look that up. What I figure I'd miss ATM is pulldown machine. I do rows, back hyperextensions, leg presses of sorts on machines (not a lot), some dumbell work, a lot of stretching. Been trying to heal left shoulder problem, it's gotten better, had to give up chinups (PT forbid them!). I can always bike and rollerskate, even with no destination.

I definitely would avoid the gym if you're at risk. It's not like there's any kind of repercussions to not going. It's one thing being hesitant of skipping work as you kinda have to be there until they tell you to work from home, but nobody is forcing you to go to the gym. Anything voluntary I would avoid really. Even myself I'm doing my best to avoid any kind of public contact. I'm fairly low risk and my whole region is fairly low risk due to smaller population but better safe than sorry.

Well, everybody's at risk, but I am 2-3 times as likely to die as people 1/2 my age. I'm in exceptional condition for someone my age, but that may not matter as much as I hope!

Honestly, I was going to have a talk with the station manager today while I was there and explain that I'm 76 and higher risk than the other volunteers and might request to take a hiatus from station activity for a spell. People do that. Obviously, she'd have to understand. But when I went to her office it was empty and I didn't bother to go back. I could just call her!