NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[CZroe]

Glass is made from molten sand. It's what chemists use to hold chemicals in liquid form over heat.... it's pretty safe for storage and heating food. Plastics, however have a much lower melting point and due to the makeup of them coming from petroleum and other stuff....well, the general consensus is that it can be considered a carcinogen if consumed.

For single-use packaging, it's cheap and only questioned by hippies, until recently. In 1993, a girl in my junior high science fair did a project on plastic and distilled water. It was a legit project and made me aware that it wasn't safe to heat things in plastic. I basically don't use a microwave unless heating soup up in a glass bowl.

Pretty much everything is a carcinogen. The dose is the poison.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Pretty much everything is a carcinogen. The dose is the poison.

I'm not wasting time looking at YouTube propaganda, I assume is a direct argument against California's crazy label law.

I'm just saying, when a label says "pure drinking water" and the water gets tainted by a container after it's stored in a 100 degree heat or more (left in a car, for instance)....or it's stored in a bottle long enough that it starts to break down. Neither example is likely every day. It's generally safe....you probably have more likelyhood of carbonated beverages with citric acid depleting the inside of the bottles. 😛

None of that matters to me though. Only cheap liquor is sold in plastic.

 

[CZroe]

I'm not wasting time looking at YouTube propaganda, I assume is a direct argument against California's crazy label law.

I'm just saying, when a label says "pure drinking water" and the water gets tainted by a container after it's stored in a 100 degree heat or more (left in a car, for instance)....or it's stored in a bottle long enough that it starts to break down. Neither example is likely every day. It's generally safe....you probably have more likelyhood of carbonated beverages with citric acid depleting the inside of the bottles.

None of that matters to me though. Only cheap liquor is sold in plastic.

SciShow is "YouTube propaganda?!" LOL!

It's talking about the definition of things like "carcinogen" and what they actually mean. I was agreeing with you.

Anyway, I looked at a bottle of OJ in the fridge this morning and thought the same thing about citrus in plastic.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Pretty much everything is a carcinogen. The dose is the poison.

Every living thing that comes in contact with Dihydrogen Monoxide dies, without exception. And we won't go into all the other damage it does to things like steel and wood.

 

[Spacehead]

I was under the impression that it took a long, long time for bottled water to "go bad". Like sitting there for years. Also assuming it's stored in your house & not your in your car.

By "go bad" i mean plastic leached into the water.

 

[sdifox]

I was under the impression that it took a long, long time for bottled water to "go bad". Like sitting there for years. Also assuming it's stored in your house & not your in your car.

By "go bad" i mean plastic leached into the water.

Lol not years.

 

[CZroe]

I was under the impression that it took a long, long time for bottled water to "go bad". Like sitting there for years. Also assuming it's stored in your house & not your in your car.

By "go bad" i mean plastic leached into the water.

Switching to metal ice trays and proper breakable glasses. No more plastic tumblers for me.

The filtered water dispenser in the fridge is plastic and so is the water line so I'm sticking to the sink- onowate... the pipes to the sink are PVC. Guess I'll just remain thirsty until I get to the office water cooler. CRAP! That's in a plastic bottle too. I'll just have a canned soda from the break room... except they are only in 20oz bottles.

Ffffffffuuu...

In reality, wax paper cups are less recyclable and have more potential for bilogical contamination than plastic... a cheap byproduct of oil refinement that probably needs more uses (not less).

 

[CZroe]

You realise water is a universal solvent? Why would anyone care about lead pipes if water does nothing to lead?

Well, Acetone dissolves ABS and some other plastics which lets me make my own ABS cement. I can use kerosene to get the lube off my motorcycle chain. I can use Goo-Gone to remove many adhesive residues.

Glad to know I can substitute all that with water.

Seriously though: if water were a solvent for the plastics it is bottled in then it would dissolve its way out. Obviously it can dissolve many of the chemicals in plastics which is your actual concern but those chemicals exist all around us regardless. What about inhalation? Skin contact? Yes, drinking it is likely more exposure than either of those but the dose is still the poison.

That said, I've seen how amphibians are affected by even the tiniest amounts of this stuff from plastics. Still, there doesn't appear to be much, if any, danger to us directly. Plastic is mostly inert. That's why we use it.

 

[Spacehead]

Lol not years.

So days, weeks, month(s)???

 

[DrMrLordX]

It's BPA (Bisphenol-A), not BPH.

 

[sdifox]

So days, weeks, month(s)???

Probably a couple of months. I didn't do the experiment nor look it up.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Bottled Water

Our mission is to improve global health through the development of standards and certifications that protect food, water, products and the environment.

www.nsf.org

The main problem with bottled water isn't that the plastic leeches toxins into the water. The main problem is that environmental contaminants can leech into your water through the plastic. Glass-lined reservoirs would be preferable, assuming you can guarantee that the glass won't splinter.

 

[Spacehead]

OK, thanks for the replies & links.

https://ncov2019.live/data
Site now has not only info for countries, but now has individual US states & Canadian provinces.

Total Confirmed Cases
107,262

Total Deceased
3,651

Total Countries Infected
108⁄195

 

[ultimatebob]

OK, thanks for the replies & links.

https://ncov2019.live/data
Site now has not only info for countries, but now has individual US states & Canadian provinces.

Total Confirmed Cases
107,262

Total Deceased
3,651

Total Countries Infected
108⁄195

I like the world map feature. Reminds me of Plague, Inc.

 

[Mai72]

The more I look at CovID-19 the more I'm convinced that we in America have ZERO idea of how we are going to manage the crisis when this thing hits. We have a US president who thinks that this is all made up propagenda by the leftist media. He's an idiot. Think about this for a second. Over 74% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Health care cost are insanely high. Many people don't even have health insurance, and even if you do have it how good is it really? I know some people who have health insurance, but the copays are very high. Most aren't going to be able to stay home from work for long periods of time, and public schools aren't going to be closed for long periods of time either. Let's say that they close for a week, and clean everything. What's not to say that a child or staff member comes into the school the following week and now reinfects the school for the second time. Or the third time. How many of the poor and needy rely on school lunches because they don't eat at home. I know that spring concerts are going to be happening soon at schools, and if they aren't canceled I'd be very suprised. Hospitals are going to be over burdened with the sick. Our system is going to be exposed for truly what it is. A broken system.

Again, it amazes me that most people aren't taking this thing serious. How many are actually infected in USA? It is probably in the thousands. When you have a POTUS who brushes off the stats and doctors who have decades of experience on viruses it's just insane. But, the election is this year. We can't panic. It's going to be bad for the Donald. smh.

 

[Mai72]

You might do well to quarantine yourself if you can. Hey, get some zinc lozenges. Use them per the instructions if you have any indication that you might be coming down with something. They are said to really help in stopping this virus's action, which is 100% to attack lung tissue. I'll paste in Dr. Robb's post, which explains it:
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Info from James Robb, MD FCAP, a renowned pathologist:

Dear Family and Friends, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.

7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs). The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. Good luck to all of us,

James Robb, MD FCAP

1) Surgical masks don't do much for this virus.
2) Many people who work aren't going to be able to stay home! Are you kidding me? Most are living paycheck to paycheck.
3) Hand santizers are long gone off the shelves. Wonder when they'll be back?

We need to start testing EVERYONE in America ASAP. But that won't happen because we aren't taking this virus seriously. Get ready people. This is really goingh to stretech the American health care system, and it's not going to be a pretty site.

 

[MtnMan]

LOL! Your knee-jerk reaction says a lot. You get sick by violating your self-imposed social isolation. Unnecessary exposure. It's the primary reason people are stocking up on anything.

DUH.

I said that many people don't like drinking tap water, which is 100% true and has nothing to do with getting sick from it. You CAN get sick from potential exposure by going out for supplies, so they stock up now.

DOUBLE DUH.

Put some ice on that knee and in the future don't ask the question if you aren't even going to read the answer.

Talk about over reactions, did you fall on your butt when both your knees jerked?

 

[Mai72]

Don't know why you guys are talking about plastics. It has nothing to do with the virus.

I might as well as talk about the bible and how this is the wrath of God.

 

[sdifox]

Don't know why you guys are talking about plastics. It has nothing to do with the virus.

I might as well as talk about the bible and how it's going to protect us from this virus.

Bottled water and toilet paper hoarding is related to this virus, well to stupidity related to this virus.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I like the world map feature. Reminds me of Plague, Inc.

Sadly, it seems a bit out-of-date, or it's just bad at tracking isolated cases. There's at least one case in Tennessee and a few in Georgia, but nothing on the map reflects that.

Again, it amazes me that most people aren't taking this thing serious.

Most humans won't die from this disease. It's infuriatingly difficult to contain it as well. China's system of lockdowns hasn't worked. Stuffing people into medical facilities for testing and attempting to force people to self-quarantine won't do much good. As a cost-benefit analysis goes, this disease is not something that can (or should) be approached as a doom plague. The only demographic that needs to avoid exposure is the 60+ group, many of whom are already in retirement and have Medicare (and hopefully supplemental insurance). We'll lose maybe 8-9% of our seniors to it if we can't keep them virus-free before a reliable vaccine is available.

The majority of working adults and children will likely shrug off the disease. It's bad, maybe 4x as bad as a normal flu outbreak, but not THAT bad.

 

[Mai72]

Bottled water and toilet paper hoarding is related to this virus, well to stupidity related to this virus.

I don't get the bottled water. Is something going to happen to our water system?
And why toilet paper? I was in my local spermarket, and we have plenty of both. We are out of hand sanitizer though.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

People fighting over TP. Christ people are retarded over this TP shit.

Seriously, if you need that much TP then you have other problems in life.

 

[IronWing]

Bottled water and toilet paper hoarding is related to this virus, well to stupidity related to this virus.

If stupidity is the measure of relevance, this is the new nef thread.

 

[Mai72]

Sadly, it seems a bit out-of-date, or it's just bad at tracking isolated cases. There's at least one case in Tennessee and a few in Georgia, but nothing on the map reflects that.

Most humans won't die from this disease. It's infuriatingly difficult to contain it as well. China's system of lockdowns hasn't worked. Stuffing people into medical facilities for testing and attempting to force people to self-quarantine won't do much good. As a cost-benefit analysis goes, this disease is not something that can (or should) be approached as a doom plague. The only demographic that needs to avoid exposure is the 60+ group, many of whom are already in retirement and have Medicare (and hopefully supplemental insurance). We'll lose maybe 8-9% of our seniors to it if we can't keep them virus-free before a reliable vaccine is available.

The majority of working adults and children will likely shrug off the disease. It's bad, maybe 4x as bad as a normal flu outbreak, but not THAT bad.

Yes, but we don't know yet what this virus has the potential to do to children according to the CDC. Many older adults (over 60) are still out, and aren't taking this seriously. Our healthcare system still has the potential to be overburdened which is never good. Our supplies are going to be disrupted, and this might have a HUGE global impact on world markets. Which affects all Americans unless you're a multi millionaire. Medicare is going to take a huge hit, as more and moore of the older pop fall ill. You say it's not that bad, but TBH we just don't know yet.

 

[CZroe]

The more I look at CovID-19 the more I'm convinced that we in America have ZERO idea of how we are going to manage the crisis when this thing hits. We have a US president who thinks that this is all made up propagenda by the leftist media. He's an idiot. Think about this for a second. ... When you have a POTUS who brushes off the stats and doctors who have decades of experience on viruses it's just insane. But, the election is this year. We can't panic. It's going to be bad for the Donald. smh.

Not only is this inexcusably political in a thread where it isn't allowed, but the reports of Donald Trump calling it a hoax were themselves a hoax. It's hoax-ception.

He said that their reporting about him was a hoax and then you get Michael Moore and others delusionally embarrassing themselves by claiming that Trump called the virus a hoax. You're better than that.

I voted against Trump too but this isn't a time to get political.

1) Surgical masks don't do much for this virus.
2) Many people who work aren't going to be able to stay home! Are you kidding me? Most are living paycheck to paycheck.
3) Hand santizers are long gone off the shelves. Wonder when they'll be back?

We need to start testing EVERYONE in America ASAP. But that won't happen because we aren't taking this virus seriously. Get ready people. This is really goingh to stretech the American health care system, and it's not going to be a pretty site.

1) He says as much
2) I agree
3) I just bought four bottles of Kroger-brand hand sanitizer and I didn't even check that aisle (these were overstock in a different part of the store)