NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Scarpozzi]

OK lol. I'm mostly worried about my young kids. The one silver lining in this whole thing has been that ages 0-10 have barely been affected.

Me too, man. I worry about my dad as well. He's in his early 70's...had heart bypass surgery about 22 years ago (at an early age)... His body just doesn't run as efficiently as it used to and I can tell something like this could do some damage if he's not ready for it.

Docs do say they think once you get it, you're basically immune from the current strain. The DNA of the virus has been identical in quite a few tests, so at least we have that. If they can get a vaccine, I'm hoping this will help thwart the disease in the future, but there has to be enough $$ reasons for a manufacturer to jump through those costly hoops to bring it to market. In other words, the sooner the better.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Me too, man. I worry about my dad as well. He's in his early 70's...had heart bypass surgery about 22 years ago (at an early age)... His body just doesn't run as efficiently as it used to and I can tell something like this could do some damage if he's not ready for it.

Docs do say they think once you get it, you're basically immune from the current strain. The DNA of the virus has been identical in quite a few tests, so at least we have that. If they can get a vaccine, I'm hoping this will help thwart the disease in the future, but there has to be enough $$ reasons for a manufacturer to jump through those costly hoops to bring it to market. In other words, the sooner the better.

I feel ya. My parents are in their late 60's with some health conditions as well. They are both going to self quarantine as much as possible. Definitely hoping for a vaccine, or at least better treatments sooner rather than later.

 

[Mai72]

I feel ya. My parents are in their late 60's with some health conditions as well. They are both going to self quarantine as much as possible. Definitely hoping for a vaccine, or at least better treatments sooner rather than later.

A vaccine isn't going to be available for at least June/July, and that is early estimates. In actuality, it will probably be at least 1 year.

 

[Captante]

I feel ya. My parents are in their late 60's with some health conditions as well. They are both going to self quarantine as much as possible. Definitely hoping for a vaccine, or at least better treatments sooner rather than later.

Sadly both my parents passed away in the last few years but my MIL is still around and I'm concerned for her.

Also I have a couple drivers fighting cancer who are no doubt at elevated risk.

 

[Mai72]

I talked to my father the other day. He joked about COVID-19.

There are so many things that could take you out at any day, and at any time. It doesn't have to be this virus. It could be a fall. A car accident. Heart disease, cancer, etc. Our lives are so short, but we act like this is forever. I love this quote by Marcus Aurelius..

"You could leave life right now. Let that determine what you do, say and think."

 

[pmv]

It's not that high. It varies by age though. They say young kids aren't affected and that it tends to target older people or those with underlying conditions and they don't know why. It's like the virus replicates slowly and symptoms aren't bad....then at some point, some folks' immune systems kick into overdrive and start doing organ damage.

I read that Iran has a different strain/mutation that been more lethal to younger adults that were seemingly healthy.

I'd not attach much credibility to that. All sorts of weird claims seem to be produced by the Iranian information-vacuum (the best one, in my opinion, would be the one claiming that it's somehow caused by 5G phone networks)

Now I don't know what I'm talking about either, but what I read seemed to imply that corona viruses are less prone to mutate than flu ones. After all, from an evolutionary viewpoint, flu benefits from frequently mutating, becuase humans get immune to it, whereas nobody seems to have much immunity to this, so it wouldn't really _need_ to mutate, no?

 

[Scarpozzi]

I talked to my father the other day. He joked about COVID-19.

There are so many things that could take you out at any day, and at any time. It doesn't have to be this virus. It could be a fall. A car accident. Heart disease, cancer, etc. Our lives are so short, but we act like this is forever. I love this quote by Marcus Aurelius..

"You could leave life right now. Let that determine what you do, say and think."

No joke! I'm still scared about mad cow!

 

[K1052]

Reading how the banks think that domestic travel is somehow going to be relatively stable while international goes in the tank.

I've got no idea how they came to that conclusion. My company just canceled all travel. My husband's extremely large company has canceled meetings, conferences, and field activities. Bookings are going to go off a fucking cliff even more once the testing is actually done and thousands of people in the US are found to have COVID-19.

 

[pmv]

A vaccine isn't going to be available for at least June/July, and that is early estimates. In actuality, it will probably be at least 1 year.

I thought 18 months was the earliest - and there seems to be some doubt whether one will be possible at all (though, conversely, some experts seem to be confident one will be developed eventually).

 

[Mai72]

Reading how the banks think that domestic travel is somehow going to be relatively stable while international goes in the tank.

I've got no idea how they came to that conclusion. My company just canceled all travel. My husband's extremely large company has canceled meetings, conferences, and field activities. Bookings are going to go off a fucking cliff even more once the testing is actually done and thousands of people in the US are found to have COVID-19.

Well maybe for the short term. But, as this virus starts to spread IMO domestic travel will be limited as well.

 

[Mai72]

The biggest concern is civil unrest. Most people aren't going to miss work just because they're sick. Estimates are that over 75% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. How are people going to miss work unless they are forced to miss work. And, if that happens and is extended for a few weeks we are in trouble. Even one week of missed work will be bad enough. Remeember the government shut down last yeat? How many gov. workers were affected financially. It's sad how we easily forget.

 

[ponyo]

Reading how the banks think that domestic travel is somehow going to be relatively stable while international goes in the tank.

I've got no idea how they came to that conclusion. My company just canceled all travel. My husband's extremely large company has canceled meetings, conferences, and field activities. Bookings are going to go off a fucking cliff even more once the testing is actually done and thousands of people in the US are found to have COVID-19.

Because most analysts are morons or they have hidden agenda to get their whale clients out of positions. Airlines, cruises, and travel industry as whole are fvcked this year. The airlines thought 9/11 was bad? This is going to be nuclear. Business travelers are not going to travel unless it's absolutely required. Leisure travelers like me won't travel this year. There are really good deals to Mexico and Costa Rica for the summer right now. Normally, I would've booked those packages already because it's such good deal. This year, nope. I'm passing on everything. And I know I'm not alone, and I'm probably one of the least panicked people right now.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Because most analysts are morons or they have hidden agenda to get their whale clients out of positions. Airlines, cruises, and travel industry as whole are fvcked this year. The airlines thought 9/11 was bad? This is going to be nuclear. Business travelers are not going to travel unless it's absolutely required. Leisure travelers like me won't travel this year. There are really good deals to Mexico and Costa Rica for the summer right now. Normally, I would've booked those packages already because it's such good deal. This year, nope. I'm passing on everything. And I know I'm not alone, and I'm probably one of the least panicked people right now.

I guess that little Greta Thunberg brat is getting her way this year.

Yeah....definitely wait. I'm sure after the initial panic subsides and travel goes from being highly monitored....to less monitored. (basically after the outbreak containment is considered a lost cause...like the flu) There are going to be some major travel deals to more primo destinations than the dirty Western Caribbean.

 

[K1052]

Because most analysts are morons or they have hidden agenda to get their whale clients out of positions. Airlines, cruises, and travel industry as whole are fvcked this year. The airlines thought 9/11 was bad? This is going to be nuclear. Business travelers are not going to travel unless it's absolutely required. Leisure travelers like me won't travel this year. There are really good deals to Mexico and Costa Rica for the summer right now. Normally, I would've booked those packages already because it's such good deal. This year, nope. I'm passing on everything. And I know I'm not alone, and I'm probably one of the least panicked people right now.

Ordinarily I'd be planning summer and fall trips right now but nope here also.

 

[TheVrolok]

Ordinarily I'd be planning summer and fall trips right now but nope here also.

Wife and I were minutes away from booking international travel for May, no we're holding off. I've already paid for a domestic conference (and airfare) in April, we'll see if I go.

 

[LikeLinus]

Same here. We were going to Japan before the Olympics to take my Son for his first time. Now, nope, we will wait until next year. Really sucks because we were also thinking about going to Italy or Spain as well.

 

[Mai72]

I was in my supermarket and some guy was talking loudly about God, COVID19 andb the end of times. I wanted to say "ummm.. Spanish flu sir? Have you heard about the black death?" Spanish flu took the lives of over 50m world wide. Black death decreased the European population by 30% at least. Those two cases were much much worse than anything we are currently facing, and it wasn't the end times then. lol, it's always the "end times" to these people. As humans, we adapt. We have been doing this for thousands of years. This is nothing new. I think this guy was watching too much news.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Ya gotta wonder that if we were back in the days of 1908 or whatever, would the Coronavirus kill a much much much much higher amount of people?

Technology wasn't great then, transportation wasn't as easy then, doctors weren't anywhere near as knowledgeable, etc...

 

[TheVrolok]

Ya gotta wonder that if we were back in the days of 1908 or whatever, would the Coronavirus kill a much much much much higher amount of people?

Technology wasn't great then, transportation wasn't as easy then, doctors weren't anywhere near as knowledgeable, etc...

Probably, yes.

 

[Mai72]

Ya gotta wonder that if we were back in the days of 1908 or whatever, would the Coronavirus kill a much much much much higher amount of people?

Technology wasn't great then, transportation wasn't as easy then, doctors weren't anywhere near as knowledgeable, etc...

Yea, there were a lot of mistakes made back then. One is bloodletting. It's when docs remove some of the patients blood for theraputic reasons. It's what killed George Washington.

Also, many patients were all housed together. I also believe WW1 contributed to the Spanish flu as well.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Ya gotta wonder that if we were back in the days of 1908 or whatever, would the Coronavirus kill a much much much much higher amount of people?

Technology wasn't great then, transportation wasn't as easy then, doctors weren't anywhere near as knowledgeable, etc...

It's interesting because part of why this has spread so easily is the long delay to symptoms, and our incredible ease of travel right now. Countering that though, today we've got a much much higher level of medical tech and awareness as well as capacity to care for people. If the existing virus has hit back then, you'd probably have 30%+ bedridden for weeks, I can only imagine how many deaths would result from that and follow-on effects.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

lol I don't know the truth to this but.... ohhhh boy

San Antonio loses court fight to extend quarantine for coronavirus evacuees

An evacuee from China who tested positive for the coronavirus after being released from...

m.mysanantonio.com

 

[Scarpozzi]

It's interesting because part of why this has spread so easily is the long delay to symptoms, and our incredible ease of travel right now. Countering that though, today we've got a much much higher level of medical tech and awareness as well as capacity to care for people. If the existing virus has hit back then, you'd probably have 30%+ bedridden for weeks, I can only imagine how many deaths would result from that and follow-on effects.

Right on....the other side though is how long viruses can live on surfaces and how resistant to cleaners they are. The problem with the old days was that people would go to a hospital and catch even worse things in their weakened state from the hospital that was rarely disinfected properly...

 

[Scarpozzi]

lol I don't know the truth to this but.... ohhhh boy

San Antonio loses court fight to extend quarantine for coronavirus evacuees

An evacuee from China who tested positive for the coronavirus after being released from...

m.mysanantonio.com

Have they identified the other two people in the mall? (I'm assuming that's them in the picture)

 

[K1052]

Wife and I were minutes away from booking international travel for May, no we're holding off. I've already paid for a domestic conference (and airfare) in April, we'll see if I go.

We have a domestic trip in May that I already paid a considerable non-refundable sum for so still taking that trip unless it becomes refundable. Going to be washing hands like a crazy person tho.