NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[killster1]

I hope they ban you.

for selling @ retail price? YES they should ban people trying to help others. i should be forced to keep them all and help no one!

 

[randay]

Yes, it is. There's a reason why people are being quarantined for 14 days AFTER recovery.

got any links? that sounds completely insane if true, and im going out immediately and buying a pallet of toilet paper and water if it is true.

afaik 14 day quarantine was only for those who are at risk, and not recovered. if thats true for recovered as well, then thats a minimum of a month of quarantine where people wont be able to work or do anything. Itll never happen, people will never self quarantine for that long.

 

[BudAshes]

What I don't understand is the crazy high death rate from this virus in Italy vs South Korea. Italy has 463 deaths while SK has 53. I know Italy has lot of old people but so does South Korea. Is Italy medical care system that bad?

Healthcare can be shockingly bad in Italy. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the viral side of things, but from what I've heard from people that were treated for injuries there you want to get out as fast as possible and get treated somewhere else.

Doesn't help that they are always kissing and touching each other either.

 

[blackangst1]

Just got out of a staff meeting...I work for a nationwide health insurance company (in 36 states) and learned 2 employees in 2 different states have caught the virus. There are talks this week with our board and executive management about everyone working from home until further notice. Very eerie. I understand the media overhypes things, but from what Ive read this virus is very different than SARS or the flu.

Stay safe, wash your hands and be mindful of your hands/face.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

got any links? that sounds completely insane if true, and im going out immediately and buying a pallet of toilet paper and water if it is true.

afaik 14 day quarantine was only for those who are at risk, and not recovered. if thats true for recovered as well, then thats a minimum of a month of quarantine where people wont be able to work or do anything. Itll never happen, people will never self quarantine for that long.

Some COVID-19 patients test positive days after recovery

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Criteria for hospital release or return to work included normal temperature for at least 3 days, resolved respiratory symptoms, substantially improved lesions on chest computed tomography (CT), and two consecutive negative RT-PCR test results at least 1 day apart.

RT-PCR results of the patients, two men and two women aged 30 to 36 years, were positive, and CT scans showed mild to moderate areas of fluid buildup. The patients were given antiviral medication and recovered 12 to 32 days after symptom onset. After meeting the criteria for hospital release or lifting of quarantine, the patients were asked to remain at home for another 5 days.

RT-PCR was performed again 5 to 13 days later and repeated three times over the next 4 or 5 days—and all tests were positive. Another RT-PCR test with a kit from a different manufacturer confirmed the results. The patients were asymptomatic, CT showed no changes, and they reported no contact with anyone with respiratory symptoms or infected family members.

Study highlights ease of spread of COVID-19 viruses

www.cidrap.umn.edu

After the recommended 14-day quarantine or active monitoring period, "it is highly unlikely that further symptomatic infections would be undetected among high-risk persons," the authors wrote. "However, substantial uncertainty remains in the classification of persons as being at 'high,' 'medium,' or 'low' risk for being symptomatic, and this method does not consider the role of asymptomatic infection."

Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus

Reports woman tested positive for a second time show there are still many unknowns

www.theguardian.com

It is possible, say experts, that when the woman was released, she had not cleared the virus. But if so, that means it lingered dormant in her body longer than the 14-day quarantine period. She will have been in contact with more people than have been traced, which poses worrying questions about the length of time people should be isolated after a positive test.

Emphasis mine. Why do you think otherwise completely rational people like me were stocking up a month ago?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Just got out of a staff meeting...I work for a nationwide health insurance company (in 36 states) and learned 2 employees in 2 different states have caught the virus. There are talks this week with our board and executive management about everyone working from home until further notice. Very eerie. I understand the media overhypes things, but from what Ive read this virus is very different than SARS or the flu.

Stay safe, wash your hands and be mindful of your hands/face.

We've been having repeated meetings at my workcenter as well. I'm lucky enough to be able to WFH if I get the word, just waiting on what I expect to be confirmation within a few days at this point.

 

[aigomorla]

lol imagine if this was possible in the US for people having to take online classes.

Tech-savvy students whose schools were shut down by coronavirus tried to avoid class by spamming the reviews on their remote-learning app to get it removed from the App Store

In one day, students in Wuhan, China, gave more than 15,000 one-star reviews to the chat app DingTalk to try to get it removed from the App Store.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[randay]

Some COVID-19 patients test positive days after recovery

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Study highlights ease of spread of COVID-19 viruses

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus

Reports woman tested positive for a second time show there are still many unknowns

www.theguardian.com

Emphasis mine. Why do you think otherwise completely rational people like me were stocking up a month ago?

First link is kind of alarming but, that they are still infectious after recovery is just an assumption. They are just testing positive on the test, and were only asked to stay home for 5-13 days for the purpose of the follow on tests. the second and third links get a meh from me.

So there is no evidence of a 14-day quarantine period being enforced on recovered individuals. It was just done for science, which is great, and I hope they actually do confirm the worst case, because that would be good to know.

Stocking up is not a problem to me, I dont have an issue with it. My household is pretty well stocked at all times. so we never worry too much when something like this pops up.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

First link is kind of alarming but, that they are still infectious after recovery is just an assumption. They are just testing positive on the test, and were only asked to stay home for 5-13 days for the purpose of the follow on tests. the second and third links get a meh from me.

So there is no evidence of a 14-day quarantine period being enforced on recovered individuals. It was just done for science, which is great, and I hope they actually do confirm the worst case, because that would be good to know.

Stocking up is not a problem to me, I dont have an issue with it. My household is pretty well stocked at all times. so we never worry too much when something like this pops up.

If you're stocked, you shouldn't have to worry.

The alarming part from the articles should have been the positive testing, 4-5 days AFTER the 13 day quarantine period. That implies that one can be asymptomatic but still carrying, after supposed recovery, which is exactly what you said would be A Bad Thing.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Italy just reported another 168 deaths. Absolutely nuts. I wouldn't be surprised if they have 30-40K actively infected but not yet tested.

 

[quikah]

2 Strains of Covid-19?... I think Iran is claiming this. Could it be that one strain is deadlier? Italy and Iran seem to have a higher % of deaths as compared to S. Korea. I also wonder if the deadlier strain could be more contagious as just a couple weeks ago S. Korea had a cople thousand case head start on Italy. Now Italy has many cases vs South Korea. I guess time will tell

Yes, this was known a while back, China reported it. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html

Italy is much older than S. Korea, ~28% over 60 in Italy as opposed to ~18% in S. Korea. Japan's population is the oldest, but they have seen very low spread.

It might just be a cultural thing. This could make for a very interesting sociological paper. Italy's culture is highly social, lots of gathering, kissing touching,etc. This could be contributing to the spread there. Not sure how Korean culture compares. Japan's culture is very introverted, polite and clean. The introverted nature of Japanese culture might be keeping the spread down.

 

[JEDIYoda]

First link is kind of alarming but, that they are still infectious after recovery is just an assumption. They are just testing positive on the test, and were only asked to stay home for 5-13 days for the purpose of the follow on tests. the second and third links get a meh from me.

So there is no evidence of a 14-day quarantine period being enforced on recovered individuals. It was just done for science, which is great, and I hope they actually do confirm the worst case, because that would be good to know.

Stocking up is not a problem to me, I dont have an issue with it. My household is pretty well stocked at all times. so we never worry too much when something like this pops up.

To continue to down play this virus says a lot about you and none of it is good!
It is people like you who do not know anything about the disease who believe that you must be ok because you feel better that will spread this disease under the guise of I must not be dick, because I don`t feel sick!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Just got out of a staff meeting...I work for a nationwide health insurance company (in 36 states) and learned 2 employees in 2 different states have caught the virus. There are talks this week with our board and executive management about everyone working from home until further notice. Very eerie. I understand the media overhypes things, but from what Ive read this virus is very different than SARS or the flu.

Stay safe, wash your hands and be mindful of your hands/face.

Did you guys make sure to squeeze 20 people into a conference room designed for 12 people and shake hands with eachother afterwards?

 

[CZroe]

every single day I hear someone say how they don't have a fever or cough or anything.

I just face-palm myself (after donning nitrile gloves and our lucite face-shield)

This. Many of those people bragging about how strong their immune systems are because they "never get flu" have no idea that it's exactly the opposite and they are merely asymptomatic carriers. Yes, coughing helps it spread but so does stealth/sleeper agents.

They think they have strong immune systems when it is exactly the opposite!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yes, this was known a while back, China reported it. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html

Italy is much older than S. Korea, ~28% over 60 in Italy as opposed to ~18% in S. Korea. Japan's population is the oldest, but they have seen very low spread.

It might just be a cultural thing. This could make for a very interesting sociological paper. Italy's culture is highly social, lots of gathering, kissing touching,etc. This could be contributing to the spread there. Not sure how Korean culture compares. Japan's culture is very introverted, polite and clean. The introverted nature of Japanese culture might be keeping the spread down.

Until proven otherwise I'm convinced Japan has as massive of an outbreak as Italy and SK - they just aren't acknowledging it because they are still moving forward with doing the Summer Olympics there.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This. Many of those people bragging about how strong their immune systems are because they "never get flu" have no idea that it's exactly the opposite and they are merely asymptomatic carriers. Yes, coughing helps it spread but so does stealth/sleeper agents.

They think they have strong immune systems when it is exactly the opposite!

I don't QUITE buy that though. You're saying that if someone is a carrier of a virus that the virus is (secretly) doing more harm than to someone with symptoms? What is it doing that warrants the claim that the person that doesn't get sick often has a weaker immune system?

 

[randay]

If you're stocked, you shouldn't have to worry.

The alarming part from the articles should have been the positive testing, 4-5 days AFTER the 13 day quarantine period. That implies that one can be asymptomatic but still carrying, after supposed recovery, which is exactly what you said would be A Bad Thing.

What actually I meant was that a mandatory/forced, or even just recommended 14 day quarantine period after recovery would be a bad thing. and not because the individual would still be contagious, but because they themselves would be out of work/life for another 2 weeks.

Although I agree that being still viral after recovery it is actually a bad thing, I still personally do not have a problem with recovered people returning to their lives. Mostly because the risk is very low and especially knowing that they had been infected they would most likely take extra precautions.

 

[randay]

To continue to down play this virus says a lot about you and none of it is good!
It is people like you who do not know anything about the disease who believe that you must be ok because you feel better that will spread this disease under the guise of I must not be dick, because I don`t feel sick!

JESUS LOVES YOU HALELJUJAJHEAH PRAISE GOD ALMIGHTY BLESS YOU MY SON

 

[CZroe]

I don't QUITE buy that though. You're saying that if someone is a carrier of a virus that the virus is (secretly) doing more harm than to someone with symptoms? What is it doing that warrants the claim that the person that doesn't get sick often has a weaker immune system?

...from before any of us were even aware of things in China.

It doesn't hurt the carrier but, obviously, it does hurt many people they spread it to. It harms our ability to identify and contain it. Carriers don't know they ever had the flu and go on thinking they are healthier and stronger than everyone. Your immune response is what makes you "sick." An asymptomatic carrier not being sick is a huge problem for the vulnerable people around them.

 

[ponyo]

Italy just reported another 168 deaths. Absolutely nuts. I wouldn't be surprised if they have 30-40K actively infected but not yet tested.

That's the only explanation that makes sense.

Yes, this was known a while back, China reported it. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html

Italy is much older than S. Korea, ~28% over 60 in Italy as opposed to ~18% in S. Korea. Japan's population is the oldest, but they have seen very low spread.

It might just be a cultural thing. This could make for a very interesting sociological paper. Italy's culture is highly social, lots of gathering, kissing touching,etc. This could be contributing to the spread there. Not sure how Korean culture compares. Japan's culture is very introverted, polite and clean. The introverted nature of Japanese culture might be keeping the spread down.

South Korea culture is very similar to Italy IMO. There's a reason why they say South Koreans are Italians of Asia.

Japan is practicing the same head in the sand as the US. Probably even more so. Don't trust anything out of Japan at the moment. They're in mass denial over there. Avoid Japan at all cost.

 

[randay]

I don't QUITE buy that though. You're saying that if someone is a carrier of a virus that the virus is (secretly) doing more harm than to someone with symptoms? What is it doing that warrants the claim that the person that doesn't get sick often has a weaker immune system?

theres actually two parts to it and it makes sense. basically the virus multiplies and then the body reacts. so the virus could either multiply slowly, or the body can react slowly. one case might be a "strong immune system", the other case is a weak one. both cases look the same on the outside.

 

[pmv]

Yes, this was known a while back, China reported it. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-chinese-scientists-identify-two-types-covid-19.html

Italy is much older than S. Korea, ~28% over 60 in Italy as opposed to ~18% in S. Korea. Japan's population is the oldest, but they have seen very low spread.

It might just be a cultural thing. This could make for a very interesting sociological paper. Italy's culture is highly social, lots of gathering, kissing touching,etc. This could be contributing to the spread there. Not sure how Korean culture compares. Japan's culture is very introverted, polite and clean. The introverted nature of Japanese culture might be keeping the spread down.

I did wonder about that - whether it would spread faster in touchy-feely cultures than in cold and standoffish ones. Then wondered if it was bad to wonder about such a thing - a bit victim-blaming or even racist? I suspect in reality it's more due to nothing more complex than how early the outbreak got started in a region. I also don't think you can fully trust any country's reporting. Japan still doesn't seem to have given up on the belief they can go ahead with the Olympics.

 

[H T C]

Until proven otherwise I'm convinced Japan has as massive of an outbreak as Italy and SK - they just aren't acknowledging it because they are still moving forward with doing the Summer Olympics there.

Does anyone actually believe the Summer Olympics will go ahead? Or the Euro 2020? I seriously doubt UEFA Champions League will finish this year.
An illness such as this will disrupt things for the WHOLE year @ THE VERY LEAST, be it in the form of overtaxed hospitals or in the recovery efforts after the crisis is over. Expect the World Economy to take a nosedive in the double digits.

Most countries still aren't reacting the right way: the growth of this thing is EXPONENTIAL, which is why the number of cases doubles every 4 days or so.

Italy has the right idea but they should have done it @ least 2 weeks ago. The cost of all this will be ASTRONOMICAL but the cost of failing to react properly will be MUCH MORE SEVERE, be it monetary or people's lives.

 

[Kaido]

Schools and facilities will close for 2 weeks in this 1-mile containment area in a New York City suburb

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said a containment area will be set up in the city of New Rochelle as Westchester County works to stop the spread of coronavirus. Schools and facilities within will be closed for two weeks, and the National Guard will deploy to this area to help support the community.

www.cnn.com

 

[ponyo]

Honestly, I think they should close all schools in the US for a month. And only broadcast sports games and don't let people attend the events live in person.