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whm1974

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I mentioned, I think, that when self hate is instilled, the first thing to go is a healthy attitude toward sex. As soon as the war between good and evil begins via thought, the world is divided into two teams, those who see sex as evil, and those who glorify that evil as the good. We have all fallen into the duality where we categorize things and have all lined up in various teams. What we know of sex is intercourse between sleeping machines. Some might want more than that, even unconsciously, which will give rise to a lot of personal suffering and dissatisfaction, fear, and loneliness. The disease of duality gives rise to comparisons, and that to the fear of inadequacy. The transformation that accompanies the realization of the perfection of everything puts an end to that. It has lots of names. Self love, self realization, cosmic or God consciousness, enlightenment, being reborn, and on and on, fingers that point to the moon, but are otherwise only empty words.
In other words even more sprouting of nonsense from you. And of if there was a Cosmic Consciousness or any god at all, wouldn't modern Science discovered and verified this by now?

And if there was any Higher Powers, why would this HP have anything to do with us to begin with?
 

Moonbeam

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In other words even more sprouting of nonsense from you. And of if there was a Cosmic Consciousness or any god at all, wouldn't modern Science discovered and verified this by now?

And if there was any Higher Powers, why would this HP have anything to do with us to begin with?
You always see the fingers and never the moon looking to unpack the meaning of words by thinking. You imagine you are capable of understanding an experience you are yet to have because your tea cup is full of ego.

I wanted to tell dawn that the problem he correctly sees as one goes deeper, it being the result of dualistic thinking.

As I mentioned also the same inverse is perfect. The war of good vs evil isn’t solved on the level of duality but disappears entirely with conscious integration, a conscious experience that transforms. The Christian says he is reborn. A Buddhist discovers his Buddha nature, the psychologist remembers what life was like before the self was divided against itself. The realization that our world views are determined by psychological states or conscious states and the unconscious feelings that motivate them can only be experienced by self examination. Not going to happen for you when you are determined not to allow the possibility out of threat to your ego.
 

Greenman

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In other words even more sprouting of nonsense from you. And of if there was a Cosmic Consciousness or any god at all, wouldn't modern Science discovered and verified this by now?
What makes you think science would have discovered it? At this point in time, we don't even know what we don't know.
Have we discovered everything there is to know about the quantum world? How about gravity, have we cracked that one yet? What about an easy one, the creation of single celled life? That one should be easy. There are trillions upon trillions of examples readily available, but we can't seem to crack that code. Life only comes from life, and it appears that no one knows why.
 

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What makes you think science would have discovered it? At this point in time, we don't even know what we don't know.
Have we discovered everything there is to know about the quantum world? How about gravity, have we cracked that one yet? What about an easy one, the creation of single celled life? That one should be easy. There are trillions upon trillions of examples readily available, but we can't seem to crack that code. Life only comes from life, and it appears that no one knows why.
Every time that Supernatural claims have been scientifically tested, those claims have been Falsified. In other words refuted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

We Human have discovered many things about the Real World that have disproven earlier beliefs that folks had about the Reality of Nature.
 

Greenman

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Every time that Supernatural claims have been scientifically tested, those claims have been Falsified. In other words refuted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

We Human have discovered many things about the Real World that have disproven earlier beliefs that folks had about the Reality of Nature.
Absolutely correct. But lends no credence to your first statement. Just because science hasn't identified a thing, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 

whm1974

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Absolutely correct. But lends no credence to your first statement. Just because science hasn't identified a thing, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And all claims presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. In other words, The Burden of Proof always lays with the person(s) making the claim.
 

WelshBloke

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What makes you think science would have discovered it? At this point in time, we don't even know what we don't know.
Have we discovered everything there is to know about the quantum world? How about gravity, have we cracked that one yet? What about an easy one, the creation of single celled life? That one should be easy. There are trillions upon trillions of examples readily available, but we can't seem to crack that code. Life only comes from life, and it appears that no one knows why.
If those supernatural forces had any effect. ANY AT ALL. We could study them we would have evidence of them.
As they apparently have no physical interaction at all with anything then we can say that they dont exist. That's kind of the definition of existence.

All those other examples we can show to exist, we just dont fully understand them.
 

WelshBloke

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Absolutely correct. But lends no credence to your first statement. Just because science hasn't identified a thing, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
If something, literally, has no effect on the world then it doesn't exist.
 

Moonbeam

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Every time that Supernatural claims have been scientifically tested, those claims have been Falsified. In other words refuted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

We Human have discovered many things about the Real World that have disproven earlier beliefs that folks had about the Reality of Nature.
It would seem that anytime you or a child might be told of some experience that adults may have, such as an orgasm, you claim they are talking about the supernatural. In this way, by your unconscious bias in labeling things, you create your own reality from which you can't escape. I say orgasm and you say superstitious nonsense instead of I may be too inexperienced to personally know what you are talking about. Your tea cup remains full and your ego bruised. I offer you a mirror. If you don't like what is in it you don't like yourself.
 

Moonbeam

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What now?
I'm withholding judgment. I'm also trying to be humble enough to not assume that what may not make sense to me doesn't make sense to somebody else. I also believe that Freud was right about slips-of-the-tongue-like revelations often spring from feelings we are not always consciously aware that we are feeling. Men, for example, can be rather emotionally affected by having to castrate a beloved pet and such emotions not only linger but often surface as expressions of humor. I found it funny, I think, because I can identify with it.
 

whm1974

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I'm withholding judgment. I'm also trying to be humble enough to not assume that what may not make sense to me doesn't make sense to somebody else. I also believe that Freud was right about slips-of-the-tongue-like revelations often spring from feelings we are not always consciously aware that we are feeling. Men, for example, can be rather emotionally affected by having to castrate a beloved pet and such emotions not only linger but often surface as expressions of humor. I found it funny, I think, because I can identify with it.
And Freud also said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".
 
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zinfamous

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Of course it is. That an affected party willfully contributes to their own degradation doesn't mitigate the degradation. And at any rate the overwhelming majority of porn consumption is done by men.

degrading?

what's sex like for you--straight missionary set to a metronome, all semen is carefully collected in a tea cup and buried in one of your potted plants in some kind of sacrament?
 

whm1974

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degrading?

what's sex like for you--straight missionary set to a metronome, all semen is carefully collected in a tea cup and buried in one of your potted plants in some kind of sacrament?
I believe that those who are Missionary Position Only strongly believe that their semen should be fully deposited in the woman's vagina during ejaculation.
 

Moonbeam

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And Freud also said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".
Your point being? I wasn't talking about phallic symbols or even actual slips of the tongue but the idea that things about which we have complex and conflicting feelings often worry the mind and surface as concerns that we will make jokes about. Perhaps you agree or you don't but you get no cigar from me for the relevance of your post. I try to be careful and exact in my thinking, what with all the scientific training I've had.

By the way, the science of states of consciousness is studied scientifically, but you can't so science on psychological claims people make except to note how similar many of them are. What can and is being done is to study the mind via brain activity under different conditions to see what lights up. Quick search brought up this one example:

 

whm1974

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I try to be careful and exact in my thinking, what with all the scientific training I've had.
You sure do sprout a great deal of nonsense most of the time. Every time you are criticized about doing this, you start acting like you are The Chosen One who gets upset over how dare we question you.
 

Moonbeam

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You sure do sprout a great deal of nonsense most of the time. Every time you are criticized about doing this, you start acting like you are The Chosen One who gets upset over how dare we question you.
That's one way to look at it. Another is that as a nobody who cares little about what others think of me, too unimportant to have any such need, I'm perfectly willing to help you see how you twist what I say to make some egotistical point against me. What you are critical of is the me you imagine me to be. I don't happen to be that me so you are basically criticizing the air around you, or might as well be. Your cigar point simply didn't apply to what I said and had you read what I said without this need of yours to find fault, you might have known that. You have a burr up your ass it seems to me. You would be better off if you didn't, so I'm willing to try to help you see it. The help is free. How you take it or react to it is up to you.
 

Vic

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Porn is destructive and deadening and weak and degrading and we all know it. that men are making some effort to control their impulses is something women would rightly applaud in a sane world.

These men you want to applaud for 'controlling their impulses' actually run a website dedicated to misogyny, degrading women, and to doxxing adult actresses so they can harass and threaten them. And they engage in that behavior because they believe it's the porn that is destructive and deadening and weak and degrading, and not them.
 

Atreus21

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These men you want to applaud for 'controlling their impulses' actually run a website dedicated to misogyny, degrading women, and to doxxing adult actresses so they can harass and threaten them. And they engage in that behavior because they believe it's the porn that is destructive and deadening and weak and degrading, and not them.

In other words, if bad people believe 2+2=4, then 2+2=4 is false.
 

Vic

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In other words, if bad people believe 2+2=4, then 2+2=4 is false.
No, what I said was that your earlier post was ignorant of the facts. The NoFap site has nothing to do with men controlling their impulses. Instead, it's about redirecting those men's lack of control into overt misogyny. Or are you not ignorant and that's the real reason why you admire them so much?
 
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