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whm1974

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As a 30 year old virgin I honestly don't know if I'll ever have sex. I am autistic and I don't think I have that natural 'congeniality' to be intimate with someone and just go the full stretch. I am just going to go on a holiday from my country and sleep with an escort and then pay her to tell me about what she thinks about intimacy, relationships and what women value in their partners. Particularly things like male psychological attributes and the intersection of female sexual liberation, monogamy and escorting as a profession
You do what they in Japan and simply have Transactional Sex and give the young women gifts instead of money. They even have a name this, but forgotten what the term was.

Oh here it is, although this may still deal with money:
 
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Moonbeam

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What about sex for pleasure, my dear Moonie? Both Men and Women do willing engage in coitus for other reasons besides love and procreation. You aware of this, right?

Let me tell you about the two "ISMs" I posted links to for you to read. Again you don't sound like you actually read either one of them. If you had, then you would be aware that both of them are not dogmatic at all and do not in anyway require any form of faith.

They are based on Human Reason, experience, and what Humans have learned over the course of their existence, what works best for people and the societies they live in.
According to what you believe. Anybody can believe anything. If you set about to prove to me that you are right with a proof that can't be disputed like a proof on how to solve for pi, I will be more than happy to listen. When I tried to prove that my sacred cows were the REAL ONE AND ONLY SACRED COWS, I failed and it cost me belief in everything. The price of truth is the death of everything you believe. Only the dead can experience resurrection. This isn't something I believe. It is something that ended suffering for me. Who would have ever imagined that everything is perfect and always has been, that there is nowhere to go, nothing to become, nothing to achieve. When thought and hope die, the door opens to the joy of being.
 

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As a 30 year old virgin I honestly don't know if I'll ever have sex. I am autistic and I don't think I have that natural 'congeniality' to be intimate with someone and just go the full stretch. I am just going to go on a holiday from my country and sleep with an escort and then pay her to tell me about what she thinks about intimacy, relationships and what women value in their partners. Particularly things like male psychological attributes and the intersection of female sexual liberation, monogamy and escorting as a profession
Fine fine but I wouldn't put too much stock in what she may have to say. What strikes me as the best thing about what you are going to do is to possible get over some fears. Congrats on confessing you are a virgin at 30. So many are filled with shame, shame that produces nothing but tension and stress regarding sex with another person. I have great sympathy for those on the autistic spectrum as I may also be myself. I know I had a lot of trouble learning to read and even to say in writing what I mean. I still don't really see words and once got a ticket for casting off a peer that said no casting in 6 foot letters. Hehe. It all worked out in the end. I forgave myself and just didn't pay it. ;)
 

whm1974

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According to what you believe. Anybody can believe anything. If you set about to prove to me that you are right with a proof that can't be disputed like a proof on how to solve for pi, I will be more than happy to listen. When I tried to prove that my sacred cows were the REAL ONE AND ONLY SACRED COWS, I failed and it cost me belief in everything. The price of truth is the death of everything you believe. Only the dead can experience resurrection. This isn't something I believe. It is something that ended suffering for me. Who would have ever imagined that everything is perfect and always has been, that there is nowhere to go, nothing to become, nothing to achieve. When thought and hope die, the door opens to the joy of being.
I'm actually not trying to proof anything and while everybody are free to believe what they want, they are not free to perform harmful actions derived from those beliefs.

And what Sacred Cows do you think I believe in anyway? So what are those beliefs based on anyway?
 

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As a 30 year old virgin I honestly don't know if I'll ever have sex. I am autistic and I don't think I have that natural 'congeniality' to be intimate with someone and just go the full stretch. I am just going to go on a holiday from my country and sleep with an escort and then pay her to tell me about what she thinks about intimacy, relationships and what women value in their partners. Particularly things like male psychological attributes and the intersection of female sexual liberation, monogamy and escorting as a profession

You are like most people that are on the spectrum when it comes to contact with others, I am also on the spectrum but don't have all of the issues when it comes to contact with others just the trust issues that come with it. My sociopathy keeps me from contact with others more than anything else does.
 
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whm1974

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You are like most people that are on the spectrum when it comes to contact with others, I am also on the spectrum but don't have all of the issues when it comes to contact with others just the trust issues that come with it. My sociopathy keeps me from contact with others more than anything else does.
Which sociopathy do you have? And just being on the Autistic Spectrum doesn't mean that the person is sociopath.
 

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Which sociopathy do you have? And just being on the Autistic Spectrum doesn't mean that the person is sociopath.

I know that just because someone is on the spectrum it doesn't mean that they are a sociopath. I was only talking about myself being both and that it's my sociopathy that keeps me away from people.

Seeing as you asked nicely I will just say that I have a deep hatred for humans that will only go away with the death of others.
 

whm1974

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I know that just because someone is on the spectrum it doesn't mean that they are a sociopath. I was only talking about myself being both and that it's my sociopathy that keeps me away from people.

Seeing as you asked nicely I will just say that I have a deep hatred for humans that will only go away with the death of others.
Why do you have deep hatred for people? Have you ever sought therapy for this? I'll admit that I had deep anger toward young women during High School and College. But I have never went as far to actually hurt them.
 

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Why do you have deep hatred for people? Have you ever sought therapy for this? I'll admit that I had deep anger toward young women during High School and College. But I have never went as far to actually hurt them.

That part of my brain is broken and there is no amount of therapy that will fix it, I would prefer not to harm anyone ever but I can't guarantee the safety of others when I get angry.
 

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That part of my brain is broken and there is no amount of therapy that will fix it, I would prefer not to harm anyone ever but I can't guarantee the safety of others when I get angry.
I see. Well you know yourself better then I do. However you will still benefit from therapy such better anger management.
 

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I'm actually not trying to proof anything and while everybody are free to believe what they want, they are not free to perform harmful actions derived from those beliefs.

And what Sacred Cows do you think I believe in anyway? So what are those beliefs based on anyway?
We went over that. You mentioned two, humanism and satanism. By trying to use thinking to figure this out you create your own prison because it is thinking that is the prison.
 

whm1974

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We went over that. You mentioned two, humanism and satanism. By trying to use thinking to figure this out you create your own prison because it is thinking that is the prison.
Oh really? So you are saying that you do not think at all? What the Hell do you use instead of Reason and Evidence to determine what is true or not. Pray? Simply just Believe only because you want something to be true?

That has to be one of the most silly ass reasons I have ever hear heard of for believing.
 

Moonbeam

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Oh really? So you are saying that you do not think at all? What the Hell do you use instead of Reason and Evidence to determine what is true or not. Pray? Simply just Believe only because you want something to be true?

That has to be one of the most silly ass reasons I have ever hear heard of for believing.
Prove it.
 

whm1974

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Prove it.
A short websearch:

The nonsense you keep sprouting in most of your posts speaks for itself. And you didn't answer my question on what you use to determine if something is true or not. Please provide an answer on why?
 

Moonbeam

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A short websearch:

The nonsense you keep sprouting in most of your posts speaks for itself. And you didn't answer my question on what you use to determine if something is true or not. Please provide an answer on why?
I told you that whatever you call truth can't be proven as so. It is your opinion as to whether what I say is nonsense or not. Why are you stuck of telling me I full of nonsense when nothing you say can be proven. It is what you believe. It's your opinion.

And I have told you any number of times who I know something is true or not. When you question what is true you use thinking. But thought is fear. Thought is memory of the past. Thought is division. Truth isn't philosophy or ideas or concepts. Truth is a state of being. You either are or you are lost in thought. Everything is perfect as it is. There are no questions, no need. Truth is conscious awareness, the oneness of all things. You are like a fish in search of water. It is that in which you have your being. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon.

When I was first confronted and was confounded by this I went into a rage
 

whm1974

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I told you that whatever you call truth can't be proven as so. It is your opinion as to whether what I say is nonsense or not. Why are you stuck of telling me I full of nonsense when nothing you say can be proven. It is what you believe. It's your opinion.

And I have told you any number of times who I know something is true or not. When you question what is true you use thinking. But thought is fear. Thought is memory of the past. Thought is division. Truth isn't philosophy or ideas or concepts. Truth is a state of being. You either are or you are lost in thought. Everything is perfect as it is. There are no questions, no need. Truth is conscious awareness, the oneness of all things. You are like a fish in search of water. It is that in which you have your being. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon.

When I was first confronted and was confounded by this I went into a rage
And how actually do you believe science is done? And despite what you say you believe, whether something is true or not can be tested if it is or isn't. And Science works not matter if you believe in it or not.
 

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And how actually do you believe science is done? And despite what you say you believe, whether something is true or not can be tested if it is or isn't. And Science works not matter if you believe in it or not.
I only suggested to you there was a conscious evolution possible to you that you do not seem to see. I can't make you see it. I wouldn't attempt to make you see it. Everything that you argue here I have known for a very long time. I got some sort of student most likely to succeed in science crap when I graduated from high school. I was the kind of person who had to know myself, personally, just how everything works, not by knowing the formulas in memory but by being able to recreate them myself. I applied that to everything I had been taught to believe in those late high school years and realized to my great agony there was no basis for any of them. The haunting existential questions regarding life purpose and meaning, free will and the like were just matters of local superstition. And the other thing I noticed is that most people never even look or care. I saw that I lived in a world full of people whose intention to self reflect was skin deep and a mile wide with ego. I was an outsider, an anomaly, a freak. All the naive notions and quieting beliefs that others used to avoid the Truth that I knew to be, were useless.

All alone, I thought, I discovered that I was not. That others had made the same journey and were filled not empty like me.

There is another science, one you don't credit properly, and it is the science of conscious states. The vision we have of the world is based on attitude. The hungry man things of food. The lonely man thinks of companionship, the needy man is filled with greed, the man who hates himself lives out of pretense. There is a science to the discovery of motivation, a science of observation. Now, how does the I see itself? How can it achieve a position of unbiased separation where it can look at itself. How can thinking end itself by thinking. How can the ego ever kill itself. This is the world of duality we are trapped within, the prison of the mind, the self that is the prison.

As the existentialist discovers, there is no exit. The scientific fact I had no idea exists is that when the rat that is the thinking mind reaches the end of it's rope and accepts its hopeless fate, something strange can happen. The world can flip over and turn itself inside out. It is the ancient truth of awakening from a dream that has been experienced and spoken of in various ways for thousands of years. I sought the light everywhere with an intense longing only to discover to my great shock that I am the sun. And so are you so shine on you crazy diamond.

Now I am only a very very small and tiny sun, but in the dark you can read by the light of a candle.
 

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I only suggested to you there was a conscious evolution possible to you that you do not seem to see. I can't make you see it. I wouldn't attempt to make you see it. Everything that you argue here I have known for a very long time. I got some sort of student most likely to succeed in science crap when I graduated from high school. I was the kind of person who had to know myself, personally, just how everything works, not by knowing the formulas in memory but by being able to recreate them myself. I applied that to everything I had been taught to believe in those late high school years and realized to my great agony there was no basis for any of them. The haunting existential questions regarding life purpose and meaning, free will and the like were just matters of local superstition. And the other thing I noticed is that most people never even look or care. I saw that I lived in a world full of people whose intention to self reflect was skin deep and a mile wide with ego. I was an outsider, an anomaly, a freak. All the naive notions and quieting beliefs that others used to avoid the Truth that I knew to be, were useless.

All alone, I thought, I discovered that I was not. That others had made the same journey and were filled not empty like me.

There is another science, one you don't credit properly, and it is the science of conscious states. The vision we have of the world is based on attitude. The hungry man things of food. The lonely man thinks of companionship, the needy man is filled with greed, the man who hates himself lives out of pretense. There is a science to the discovery of motivation, a science of observation. Now, how does the I see itself? How can it achieve a position of unbiased separation where it can look at itself. How can thinking end itself by thinking. How can the ego ever kill itself. This is the world of duality we are trapped within, the prison of the mind, the self that is the prison.

As the existentialist discovers, there is no exit. The scientific fact I had no idea exists is that when the rat that is the thinking mind reaches the end of it's rope and accepts its hopeless fate, something strange can happen. The world can flip over and turn itself inside out. It is the ancient truth of awakening from a dream that has been experienced and spoken of in various ways for thousands of years. I sought the light everywhere with an intense longing only to discover to my great shock that I am the sun. And so are you so shine on you crazy diamond.

Now I am only a very very small and tiny sun, but in the dark you can read by the light of a candle.
So I see that you are into the utter nonsense of The Eastern Religions. And I will inform you that consciousness is a function of the Brain. If there is no Brain then Consciousness is not even possible.
 

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So I see that you are into the utter nonsense of The Eastern Religions. And I will inform you that consciousness is a function of the Brain. If there is no Brain then Consciousness is not even possible.
Did I mention that the scientific facts you are aware of I am very likely to be well acquainted with. You may as well told me that bees love honey for all the relevance it has to what I said. When you don't understand something you don't understand it, period.
 

whm1974

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Did I mention that the scientific facts you are aware of I am very likely to be well acquainted with. You may as well told me that bees love honey for all the relevance it has to what I said. When you don't understand something you don't understand it, period.
And which Scientific Facts did you actually mentioned? You only made assertions and continue sprouting them no matter what. And no we Humans are not asleep and our lives are not a dream at all. We are indeed awake.
 

Moonbeam

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And which Scientific Facts did you actually mentioned? You only made assertions and continue sprouting them no matter what. And no we Humans are not asleep and our lives are not a dream at all. We are indeed awake.
Use logic. I didn't intend to mention any scientific facts. What I said was that as someone who was always deeply interested in science and apparently had some facility according to my teachers and my grades, and for whom it was my first love of learning, I simply said that any facts of science that you suggested to me that I should deal with as they support your position, I was aware of at least, most likely, as you are. My point was that nothing you said to be scientific facts do i dispute, only that they are irrelevant to the points I have been making. You are simply having an argument with the wind or something, but not with me.

The things I have been saying I said for somebody who might be open and interested, not to create an argument with people who react self defensively as if new or different ideas were a terrible threat. Your tea cup is full, you're defensive and unperceptive. Time to move along.
 

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Nofap came out around the same time as The Red Pill.

It probably splintered from The Red Pill's growth... which would explain the lawsuit. Red Pillers are raging assholes who hate themselves 24/7... even while they sleep.

Did someone blink twice in a row? Oh yeah, that is totally a sign of society trying to oppress the Patriarchy with secret relay messages of emasculating real men and forcing us into feminazi rule.

Literally, everything - and I mean everything is somehow an A-HA moment for Red Pillers. It doesn't matter they are incorrect and wrong 99.99% of the time. That .01% proves they know everything. And the nofap movement is nothing more than a deranged cousin of the Red Pill.
 

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Normal sexuality is anything that involves consensual activity and doesn't directly contribute to clearly unhealthy behavior (say, abuse or self-harm).

Porn addiction is real, but the danger of it is also exaggerated by religious conservatives trying to shame people for, well, being sexual. There's more of a risk of buying into unrealistic expectations set by some porn than there is of being hooked on porn. But then again, religion has also set unhealthy expectations for sex for centuries, such as false claims about virginity.
when religion can get people to suppress their sexual desires and channel the energy to the church is a real problem.
 

Moonbeam

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when religion can get people to suppress their sexual desires and channel the energy to the church is a real problem.
I mentioned, I think, that when self hate is instilled, the first thing to go is a healthy attitude toward sex. As soon as the war between good and evil begins via thought, the world is divided into two teams, those who see sex as evil, and those who glorify that evil as the good. We have all fallen into the duality where we categorize things and have all lined up in various teams. What we know of sex is intercourse between sleeping machines. Some might want more than that, even unconsciously, which will give rise to a lot of personal suffering and dissatisfaction, fear, and loneliness. The disease of duality gives rise to comparisons, and that to the fear of inadequacy. The transformation that accompanies the realization of the perfection of everything puts an end to that. It has lots of names. Self love, self realization, cosmic or God consciousness, enlightenment, being reborn, and on and on, fingers that point to the moon, but are otherwise only empty words.