No way! France speaks out against US war plan

[B00ne]

France is not the only one , Germany speaks out against the war plan to so does pretty much the rest of the world. Even your closest buddy and arse licker britain is not to hyped about the war and the british population is against it.

Your war is not allowed by treaties the USA signed too - u cant attack a souvereign country for leaders u dont like. Whats next, nuke us in Germany (or anywhere else) because the election might not have the outcome the US likes and then establish some marionette regime that will become the next "evil" power once it realizes that it can cut the strings? The US has a lot to learn about freedom before surpressing others on the behalf of what they call freedom. I call it colonization. Everyone knows that the US tries to be the Emporer of earth but dont be surprised if ppl dont like it and fight it...

Believe it or not, most ppl fear u and nobody else for u represent oppression and the denial of free choice


that being said, I do think Saddam needs to go too, but that doesnt mean u can wage war on a country because u dont like the leader. America posses WMD too and is even using them, it is also starting wars all over the world, denies human rights (KZ on Cuba, numerous prisoners without legal rights and without charges still being held captive, reports of torture for info) maybe a war needs to be started to prevent this threat to the world - Your own argument.....

 

[syzygy]

Last time I checked, USA was a big supporter of Iraq in their war against Iran.

well, our relationship of convenience with iraq ended 13 years ago, so since you last checked in alot of history has taken place . . . . really. it could have been worse for you

Well in that case I predict the entire collapse of Western Civilization as you know it in 50 years when all the oil has gone. Oh, and to cheer you up some more, we only have 100 odd years left of coal too...

excellent !

He's a seriously destabilizing influence in the Middle East.

we know his history and his itch for greater arab glory may never die, but he's been humbled by defeat after defeat, politically and
militarily, and as charrison's wonderful link shows, america has not relented in their on-going assault on his feeble defense networks.
the mere possibility he may grow desperate and resort to less statesman-like means of vengeance may not be sufficient grounds to
justify a u.s. military invasion. an iraqi threat against anyone is not imminent, their resources are depleted, and they're politcally isolated.
i do not know.

methinks, a major problem the american campaign will face is in the aftermath of their presumed victory - how do they maintain the peace ? unilaterally ?

 

[Moonbeam]

The WW11 lessons are valid, I think. Germany felt there was great injustice in the world. The Germans had a view on themselves that was being thwarted by history. They had just been unable to accomplish a regime change in, I forget, I think Iraq. The economy was in trouble. A mad man gained control over the government by suspicious means and began a militaristic buildup and saber rattling. He began to accuse the Iraqis, it was the Iraqis wasn't it, of being the cause of everything that was wrong with the world. He began a propaganda war of lies and deception to whip his people into a state of war mongering psychosis. They began to legally detain their own citizens and suspend freedoms. They looked around and noticed that they were the big bully on the block. Nobody could stand against them. They had all the smart technology. So they did something interesting, in not new. They attacked Iraq. It didn't matter about the death because the Iraqis weren't really important. They weren't human in the same way the Germans were. The Germans had culture. Iraq supported people who wore beanies with propellers. They had to die. Then a funny thing happened on the way to the party. The rest of the world turned against them and did everything to bring them down. A no account nobody across the sea started work on a device that would have put and did put an end to their ally's nonsense. It was made possible by an Iraqi scientist. The Germans were the best, the brightest, the most advanced, they even had the biggest egos, but they were taken down. Wasn't that wonderful. And all because they wanted a short cut to redress their grievances. They didn't trust that truth would out, that they could take a high road and work things out with justice and compassion. But how could they. They would have had to look inside and see their pain. How could they know that you can never end your own pain by causing others to feel it. Yes, how could they know that. They were cowards and didn't want to remember what even a baby, I mean what every baby has to face and forget. They didn't know they had already died in the first world war, the childhood holocaust, so they set out to recreate the situation so they could relive it unconsciously all over again just as every human automaton must. The moth dies in the flame because he has lost sight of the sun.

 

[shiner]

Well in that case I predict the entire collapse of Western Civilization as you know it in 50 years when all the oil has gone. Oh, and to cheer you up some more, we only have 100 odd years left of coal too...

Wrong, but nice to see that you've bought into that scare tactic. There are untapped oil reserves in the former soviet union and the Gulf Of Mexico that will make the Middle East seem like a drop in the bucket. As for coal......we're lousy with it here in Oklahoma, we just don't mine that much of it. Hey look out......the sky is falling!!!!

 

[shiner]

Your war is not allowed by treaties the USA signed too

You seem to be missing the point that under the U.N. resolution that led to Desert Storm we have all the right we need to go in and take him out. He has been violating the cease fire agreement and that's all the cause in the world right there.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Your war is not allowed by treaties the USA signed too

You seem to be missing the point that under the U.N. resolution that led to Desert Storm we have all the right we need to go in and take him out. He has been violating the cease fire agreement and that's all the cause in the world right there.

You think Desert Storm ended in '91? Thousands of bombing sorties have been made in the years between then and NOW on Iraq. I think you have a cheek to be pulling the 'Ceasefire Violation' sh1t. Thats just a poorly veiled excuse for getting payback for Bush Snr's failing to oust Saddam in the first skirmish.

 

[shiner]

Everyone knows that the US tries to be the Emporer of earth but dont be surprised if ppl dont like it and fight it...

I don't recall the U.S. ever overrunning Europe, invading Russia, and gassing several million people to death all because some frustrated vegetarian painter couldn't quite get his trees right.

Believe it or not, most ppl fear u and nobody else for u represent oppression and the denial of free choice

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

Gee....where have I heard those words before???

 

[Tiger]

These armchair generals only sound tough ON THE INTERNET because there are other americans who will be sent in their place over there to fight that war if it ever happens. Nuke this nuke that, this blood-thirsty attitude is sickening.

I tell you what skippy, I've got family in two branches of the military right now. My cousin served in Desert Storm in the Marine corps and his brother is Airforce reserve in Germany NOW so we can go after AL-Quaeda in Afghanistan. I know people who were killed on 9/11. Nobody has a blood thirsty attitude, just experience and a willingness to learn from history.

It's intersting to me that the most vociferous posters in this thread are from Europe.
The same Europe that has a finanacial interest in keeping Saddam in power.
You people will put up with anything for money won't you?
I also wonder if WTC had happened in Europe, say Berlin, and it was the US who was being seen as being "reasonable" what would Europe expect from the US?

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Your war is not allowed by treaties the USA signed too

You seem to be missing the point that under the U.N. resolution that led to Desert Storm we have all the right we need to go in and take him out. He has been violating the cease fire agreement and that's all the cause in the world right there.

Whatever man, I am sure B, C, R will find "conclusive" evidence to justify the war and all. There is no use arguing, Just look at u bloodthirsty, raging. Seems like war is the whole lifegoal of the US. WAR WAR WAR wherever u are its the best u do MURDER KILL OPRESS EXPLOIT.

Funny thing is all the fears of 2 years ago when Bush seized power of the white house came true - at least one term full of war....


I think u should change the motto of ur $bills to : I WAR we trust - for blood we lust.

Sounds pretty good and describes the US better than anything else

btw there is 8 more planets in the vicinity - why dont u take them and go play with your toys just leave us alone

 

[shiner]

Thats just a poorly veiled excuse for getting payback for Bush Snr's failing to oust Saddam in the first skirmish.

Interesting. You complain about what you perceive as the U.S. acting unilaterally to oust Saddam now, but don't seem to think it would have been a problem during Desert Storm even though it was not part of the original U.N. Resolution and it would have destroyed the coalition of countries we had together back then because it would have pissed off all the Arab countries. Care to explain to me how it would have been ok to go it alone then but not now? As for me, I really don't give a rat's ass what the rest of the world or the U.N. thinks. We can't pussy foot around in a situation like this. The madman needs to be taken out, if one replaces him take him out to, and so on and so on and so on. Of course you probably have a poster of Neville Chamberlain on your wall and don't understand that the world is a dangerous place and it isn't going to be made safer by give madmen a cookie and telling them to play nice.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
[WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

Gee....where have I heard those words before???

How about u start to think what these words could possibly mean. hint: Websters can help u to find the meaning

 

[shiner]

A German saying the U.S. is warmongering. Now that's funny. At least we have reasons when we go to war. We don't just start them on whims like a certain European country that caused both World Wars.

 

[shiner]

think u should change the motto of ur $bills to : I WAR we trust - for blood we lust.

We will change ours right after Germany changes theirs to read "Those Jews are a pain in the ass, let's give them the gas."

 

[B00ne]

last time I checked WWII has happened 30 years before my birth - now think again.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Tiger

These armchair generals only sound tough ON THE INTERNET because there are other americans who will be sent in their place over there to fight that war if it ever happens. Nuke this nuke that, this blood-thirsty attitude is sickening.

I tell you what skippy, I've got family in two branches of the military right now. My cousin served in Desert Storm in the Marine corps and his brother is Airforce reserve in Germany NOW so we can go after AL-Quaeda in Afghanistan. I know people who were killed on 9/11. Nobody has a blood thirsty attitude, just experience and a willingness to learn from history.

It's intersting to me that the most vociferous posters in this thread are from Europe.
The same Europe that has a finanacial interest in keeping Saddam in power.
You people will put up with anything for money won't you?
I also wonder if WTC had happened in Europe, say Berlin, and it was the US who was being seen as being "reasonable" what would Europe expect from the US?

Europe has a financial interest in keeping Saddam in Power? LMAO! Let us in on this Jewel of a factiod you have dug up! The Iraqi economy is fvcked, due to massive sanctioning by the western world, what can anyone gain from it? Any American filling up their gas tank has a pretty good chance of filling it up with Iraqi oil, so who do you think is gaining from any action? YOU!

"Persian Gulf producers led by Saudi Arabia still account for over a quarter of the world's oil supply and continue to be the key to the market." Source of quote

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
A German saying the U.S. is warmongering. Now that's funny. At least we have reasons when we go to war. We don't just start them on whims like a certain European country that caused both World Wars.

Vietnam?

Muppet.

 

[shiner]

Vietnam?

Muppet.

Ever heard of the policy of containment? You know, that little thing to keep communism from spreading. Funny though, that's actually a war the French started and we took over when they left. Too bad the politicians wouldn't let the military fight Vietnam like it needed to be. Gotta love it when LBJ is picking out bombing targets with no regard to their military importance.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SuperCyrix
France backing out again, big surprise. Wasn't this how they got whooped 2X by German?

They were only whooped once by Germany.

whooped twice and there was almost a 3rd time but paris was saved by the brits in 1914. germans were still in shelling range.

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Well let's see......France did sell Iraq a lot of military equipment both before and after Desert Storm. They are also the main source for the starter materials Iraq used to develop it's biological and chemical warfare programs. Hmmmm..........of course Germany, UK, and the U.S. also contributed to Iraq's chemical weapons program in the early to mid 80's but France has continued to do so. Gotta love those cheese eating surrender monkeys........

What about the US and the Taliban? Didn't the US support Bin Laden in the "War against Communism"?

 

[shiner]

Any American filling up their gas tank has a pretty good chance of filling it up with Iraqi oil, so who do you think is gaining from any action? YOU!

Not really. It's only something like 8% of the total oil that the U.S. imports that may, MAY come from Iraq and that is only because we let them sell it for "humanitarian" purposes. 8% is nothing and could be made up by any country, in fact Kuwait has already said it would make up for any lost Iraqi oil production.

Europe, mostly France, has strong economic ties to Iraq. To believe otherwise is burying your head in th sand and hiding from the facts.

 

[shiner]

What about the US and the Taliban? Didn't the US support Bin Laden in the "War against Communism"?

No, the U.S. supported, trained, gave arms to the Mujahedin who were a colletion of many groups fighting against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Bin Laden also supported the Mujahedin with money but as far as I know what not directly involved with them or any kind of leader until after the Gulf War.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Any American filling up their gas tank has a pretty good chance of filling it up with Iraqi oil, so who do you think is gaining from any action? YOU!

Not really. It's only something like 8% of the total oil that the U.S. imports that may, MAY come from Iraq and that is only because we let them sell it for "humanitarian" purposes. 8% is nothing and could be made up by any country, in fact Kuwait has already said it would make up for any lost Iraqi oil production.

Europe, mostly France, has strong economic ties to Iraq. To believe otherwise is burying your head in th sand and hiding from the facts.

If you are able to provide facts, I'll fall off my chair in surprise.

we let them sell it for "humanitarian" purposes.

Ooooh, how very big of you. Trust me when I say that this helps the Iraqi people not one jot.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Any American filling up their gas tank has a pretty good chance of filling it up with Iraqi oil, so who do you think is gaining from any action? YOU!

Not really. It's only something like 8% of the total oil that the U.S. imports that may, MAY come from Iraq and that is only because we let them sell it for "humanitarian" purposes. 8% is nothing and could be made up by any country, in fact Kuwait has already said it would make up for any lost Iraqi oil production.

Europe, mostly France, has strong economic ties to Iraq. To believe otherwise is burying your head in th sand and hiding from the facts.

If you are able to provide facts, I'll fall off my chair in surprise.

we let them sell it for "humanitarian" purposes.

Ooooh, how very big of you. Trust me when I say that this helps the Iraqi people not one jot.

its not our fault that saddam takes the money and uses it to buy weapons from france and russia.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Vietnam?

Muppet.

Ever heard of the policy of containment? You know, that little thing to keep communism from spreading. Funny though, that's actually a war the French started and we took over when they left. Too bad the politicians wouldn't let the military fight Vietnam like it needed to be. Gotta love it when LBJ is picking out bombing targets with no regard to their military importance.

You know, that little thing to keep communism from spreading

So what if some people want to be communists? Some people want to become Hari Krishna, some want to dress as babies. You tell me me who you are that you can judge these choices?

Live and let live, or you shall never have really lived.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Any American filling up their gas tank has a pretty good chance of filling it up with Iraqi oil, so who do you think is gaining from any action? YOU!

Not really. It's only something like 8% of the total oil that the U.S. imports that may, MAY come from Iraq and that is only because we let them sell it for "humanitarian" purposes. 8% is nothing and could be made up by any country, in fact Kuwait has already said it would make up for any lost Iraqi oil production.

Europe, mostly France, has strong economic ties to Iraq. To believe otherwise is burying your head in th sand and hiding from the facts.

If you are able to provide facts, I'll fall off my chair in surprise.

we let them sell it for "humanitarian" purposes.

Ooooh, how very big of you. Trust me when I say that this helps the Iraqi people not one jot.

its not our fault that saddam takes the money and uses it to buy weapons from france and russia.

When threatened with War on a daily basis, what would you do?????? Buy bread or find a way to defend the bakery? I don't condone it, but I can understand why he might do it.