No way! France speaks out against US war plan

[shiner]

The American people are great, but their foreign policy is totally imperialist. Why the sick suppost to Israel??? Where is the "defense of freedom" against all the attrocities commited against the palestinians??? Israel has "weapons of mass destruction", and they surely would use them against their neighbors. Shouldn't they be labeled also as "a theat to freedom"???

I was actually thinking you might be posting a fair minded and well thought out post until I read the above. Why is it always the evil Israelis committing atrocities but never mentioning suicide bombers walking into malls and blowing themselves up in order to murder a few Israelis?

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
John Stuart Mill

 

[Moonbeam]

India, which has all the same excuses as the US, but has the additional benefit that its excuses are valid, will then attack Pakistan and the nuclear war will be off. Forget about girls. They will bare only mutants.

 

[Moonbeam]

Palistinian child suicide bombers is a horror. Give the Palistinians all the Israeli military might, have them switch terratories, let the Palistinians treat the Israelis like the israelis treat the Palistinians, and voila you will have Israeli kids blowing themselves up as bombs. Try to see the real issues.

 

[shiner]

Give the Palistinians all the Israeli military might, have them switch terratories, let the Palistinians treat the Israelis like the israelis treat the Palistinians, and voila you will have Israeli kids blowing themselves up as bombs.

No, the Palestinians would use the nukes and destroy Israel. They want the state of Israel to cease to exist. The same cannot be said of Israel's view towards the Palestinians.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You said it...

Now how Nieve do YOU look?

PS: Turkey is prodominantly Isalamic. I have a house there. Been there 3 times already this year, off there again in two weeks. Foo.

LOL, oh, how "nieve" I must look! You misspelled "naive", "predominantly" and "Islamic" in one post but I'm the one looking the fool!

So, I wrote out a half page for you to latch on eight of the last words. Listen, do you know how the code of laws and rights work in any civilized country? You are free to do whatever the hell you want as long as it doesn't negatively affect another. Let's apply this concept.

1. Iraq considers the West and America in particular The Great Satan. Fine by us, we've been called worse. Must be why the entire world flocks to live in these countries. Sticks and stones...

2. Iraq senses economic opportunity by steamrolling through Kuwait and managing their immense oil resources as they wish. DING DING DING! Nuh uh, we can't have that. Allowing a hostile nation to control the #1 sought after resource in the world is NOT acceptable to ANYONE, hence a little UN resolution to bring their butts back in line. Remember that one?

3. This is done, but then p*ssyfoots like you cry, "Ohhhhh you big bad America, don't hurt the nice dictator who likes to invade neighbouring countries! I'm sure he's learned his lesson and stuff!" Being the terrible war-mongering country the US is, they consent although being just 100 km away from Baghdad at this point.

4. Occasional swats on the ass do not keep Iraq from keeping to what they agreed to - NOT BUILD STUFF MEANT TO KILL ALL OF US. This of course is declared a conspiracy by the US to allow them to continue killing Iraqi babies for fun and sport - soon to be broadcasted globally on ESPN2.

You see, the reality of the world is nobody cares what you do as long as it doesn't affect everyone else or is so grossly outside of acceptable morality that something must be done. I'm convinced today that people like you would let WWII happen all over again because "we don't have the right" to interfere down near Germany. What's it "our right" to go interfere between if Poland decides, oh hey, let's become part of Germany now...

NOT BUILD STUFF MEANT TO KILL ALL OF US.

So no weapons of mass destruction in the US then? Riiiiiiiiiiight.

As for the spelling, more of a typo, but if you need to hang on to that, I know exactly where your coming from...

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
So no weapons of mass destruction in the US then? Riiiiiiiiiiight.

As for the spelling, more of a typo, but if you need to hang on to that, I know exactly where your coming from...

You're an incredible fool whose obvious picking up of 2% of the words in any post and then making some inane remark in reply to it prove just that. I have a few phone calls to make right now, someone else deal with this clown.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I'm convinced today that people like you would let WWII happen all over again because "we don't have the right" to interfere down near Germany. What's it "our right" to go interfere between if Poland decides, oh hey, let's become part of Germany now...

OK, you start the war in, lets say, Jan 2003, Everyone else will turn up to help you in, what, 2007? Just like WW2 then...

 

[Bluga]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Where you see Iraq feel free to substitite France.

The WW11 lessons are valid, I think. Germany felt there was great injustice in the world. The Germans had a view on themselves that was being thwarted by history. They had just been unable to accomplish a regime change in, I forget, I think Iraq. The economy was in trouble. A mad man gained control over the government by suspicious means and began a militaristic buildup and saber rattling. He began to accuse the Iraqis, it was the Iraqis wasn't it, of being the cause of everything that was wrong with the world. He began a propaganda war of lies and deception to whip his people into a state of war mongering psychosis. They began to legally detain their own citizens and suspend freedoms. They looked around and noticed that they were the big bully on the block. Nobody could stand against them. They had all the smart technology. So they did something interesting, in not new. They attacked Iraq. It didn't matter about the death because the Iraqis weren't really important. They weren't human in the same way the Germans were. The Germans had culture. Iraq supported people who wore beanies with propellers. They had to die. Then a funny thing happened on the way to the party. The rest of the world turned against them and did everything to bring them down. A no account nobody across the sea started work on a device that would have put and did put an end to their ally's nonsense. It was made possible by an Iraqi scientist. The Germans were the best, the brightest, the most advanced, they even had the biggest egos, but they were taken down. Wasn't that wonderful. And all because they wanted a short cut to redress their grievances. They didn't trust that truth would out, that they could take a high road and work things out with justice and compassion. But how could they. They would have had to look inside and see their pain. How could they know that you can never end your own pain by causing others to feel it. Yes, how could they know that. They were cowards and didn't want to remember what even a baby, I mean what every baby has to face and forget. They didn't know they had already died in the first world war, the childhood holocaust, so they set out to recreate the situation so they could relive it unconsciously all over again just as every human automaton must. The moth dies in the flame because he has lost sight of the sun.

and history repeats itself, again, and again.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
So no weapons of mass destruction in the US then? Riiiiiiiiiiight.

As for the spelling, more of a typo, but if you need to hang on to that, I know exactly where your coming from...

You're an incredible fool whose obvious picking up of 2% of the words in any post and then making some inane remark in reply to it prove just that. I have a few phone calls to make right now, someone else deal with this clown.

You need to deal with your red-mist, pal. Make sure that before you throw those stones you exit your glass house, okay?

Muppet.

 

[Bluga]

American government is just a pretty packaged communist.

 

[shiner]

American government is just a pretty packaged communist.

Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner in the stupid post of the day contest.

 

[shiner]

OK, you start the war in, lets say, Jan 2003, Everyone else will turn up to help you in, what, 2007? Just like WW2 then...

That's ok. We don't really need any help. It's just that we thought there would be other countries willing to make sacrifices in order to make the world a safer place. Don't worry about it though, we will protect you and you can just go on about your life with your head tucked between your legs.

 

[Moonbeam]

Bluga quote: and history repeats itself, again, and again.

They say that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it, but as we can see, that is not the problem. People repeat history because they cannot see themselves in it.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

OK, you start the war in, lets say, Jan 2003, Everyone else will turn up to help you in, what, 2007? Just like WW2 then...

That's ok. We don't really need any help. It's just that we thought there would be other countries willing to make sacrifices in order to make the world a safer place. Don't worry about it though, we will protect you and you can just go on about your life with your head tucked between your legs.

Like when the Brits had to help you out after you lost Osama(Op Annaconda)? After your men couldn't hack it in the mountains cause the only training they'd done was with technology, not old fashioned fighting, and they got worn out(ahh, diddums)?

I bet the Canadians won't want to help this time either, lest you bust some more of them up.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

OK, you start the war in, lets say, Jan 2003, Everyone else will turn up to help you in, what, 2007? Just like WW2 then...

That's ok. We don't really need any help. It's just that we thought there would be other countries willing to make sacrifices in order to make the world a safer place. Don't worry about it though, we will protect you and you can just go on about your life with your head tucked between your legs.

Thats exactly what Britain thought in WW2, but the US had their 'head tucked between their legs', to paraphrase you, for some years before bothering to turn up.

 

[Moonbeam]

shinerburke, I told you it's you who are the coward. You are afraid and you don't know why. You need to attack to end your paranoia. It won't work. What you fear already happened. You need to remember. And don't forget, one of the symptoms of fear is rage. But you aren't just shinerburke, you are everybody.

 

[shiner]

Thats exactly what Britain thought in WW2, but the US had their 'head tucked between their legs', to paraphrase you, for some years before bothering to turn up.

That was back when we were isolationist. We will never let that happen again.

 

[shiner]

shinerburke, I told you it's you who are the coward. You are afraid and you don't know why. You need to attack to end your paranoia. It won't work. What you fear already happened. You need to remember. And don't forget, one of the symptoms of fear is rage. But you aren't just shinerburke, you are everybody.

Afraid? Maybe but then again in these times we should all be. Saying that fear has already happened is misleading. Yes a huge fear occured on 9/11 but without vigilance and action something as bad or worse is likely to happen again.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together........

..........I am the eggman, oh they are the eggmen, oh I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob
G'goo goo g'joob, goo goo g'joob, g'goo goo g'joob, goo

 

[Moonbeam]

That was back when we were isolationist.
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He he he. You talking about Bushes hands off Israeli Palistinian early unterm policies?

 

[Moonbeam]

I am the egg man. Well then, wipe it off your face. Of course, had you read or digested my earlier post you would know to what earlier fear I refered.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Thats exactly what Britain thought in WW2, but the US had their 'head tucked between their legs', to paraphrase you, for some years before bothering to turn up.

That was back when we were isolationist. We will never let that happen again.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

The American people are great, but their foreign policy is totally imperialist. Why the sick suppost to Israel??? Where is the "defense of freedom" against all the attrocities commited against the palestinians??? Israel has "weapons of mass destruction", and they surely would use them against their neighbors. Shouldn't they be labeled also as "a theat to freedom"???

I was actually thinking you might be posting a fair minded and well thought out post until I read the above. Why is it always the evil Israelis committing atrocities but never mentioning suicide bombers walking into malls and blowing themselves up in order to murder a few Israelis?

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
John Stuart Mill

Man, sorry to dissapoint you. Again, it is not the israeli people, it is the Israel goverment. You have a valid point, why not talking about the suicide bombers????

Well, those suicide bombers are fighters for freedom. They are trying to kick out the invaders of their land (yes, invaders, and prove me wrong with HISTORY facts). They are suicide because they don't have weapons to face a more equipped enemy. You think they are cowards, but they are not. Give them weapons and they will stop the suicide bombing.....

I agree, I should have clarified the difference between the Jew people and the Israel goverment. I'll wait for the facts that I asked for.

 

[Moonbeam]

The day is comming when gun laws, or their equivalent will make it possible for every las man woman and child on the planet to carry and conseal a doomsday device. We must wake up or die.

I don't know about me, but you prefer death.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's a generic 'you'.

 

[Vinny N]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bluga quote: and history repeats itself, again, and again.

They say that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it, but as we can see, that is not the problem. People repeat history because they cannot see themselves in it.

Here's another variation of it that some people might be familiar with...
"Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. Those who fail to learn history correctly are simply doomed."

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Thats exactly what Britain thought in WW2, but the US had their 'head tucked between their legs', to paraphrase you, for some years before bothering to turn up.

That was back when we were isolationist. We will never let that happen again.

Isolationist? I think a better explanation might be that the US wasn't quite ready. Didn't the US make a small showing compared to say, the UK, as far as things such as aircraft produced for WWI? I think the delay was possibly warranted if it meant being a more useful ally.