No way! France speaks out against US war plan

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UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dave, are we going down the road of knocking off every potential threat that anybody at all can conceive of? Maybe we should attack ourselves incase we pose an accidantal nuclear threat. There was an Israeli general on the other day claiming that Iraq isn't a threat to anything, that he sleeps very soundly at night, and that if, if Iraq were a threat, Israel would take care of it pronto.

MB-- I have said from the beginning of this that I thought that Iraq posed a threat. I have also said from the beginning of this that we should build a coalition before doing anything. If there is enough evidence of a threat, that will be enough evidence to build a coalition. If we decide to go alone, whether we are right or wrong, that will be a huge problem.

How would attacking ourselves prevent an accidental nuclear threat. What is an accidental nuclear threat?

If there are any Israeli generals sleeping soundly at night with all the problems they have over there then I would respectfully submit that the General is numb from the neck up.

 

JellyBaby

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yea, Jelly, but penguins crap on snow. You should be locked up.
Beamer, penguins also excrete underwater.

If I'm locked up I'm asking for your cell. I think you'd make an interesting companion. We could both attempt to unravel the real Truth behind crapping arctic waterfoul.
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: syzygy
how many countries must saddam invade for him to be understand by certain people to be a murderous megalomaniac ?

iran in 1980. kuwait in 1990. without a u.s. led intervention, he would not have stopped. when his territorial ambitions were
frustrated (both in his stalemate with iran and defeat in kuwait) he turned on his own oppressed subjects who had the gall
to revolt. he gassed the kurds in the 1980's and attempted to annihilate the shiites in the south following their brief uprising
in 1991.

there isn't another contemporary dictator who has displayed and acted upon similar militaristic goals.

True. He's a seriously destabilizing influence in the Middle East.

Since the existence of Western Civilization itself depends on oil, it's very much in the interests of the entire Western world to remove this guy from power. Bleeding-ass liberals, environmentalists, and the French may not like that particular fact, but it simply is.

Well in that case I predict the entire collapse of Western Civilization as you know it in 50 years when all the oil has gone. Oh, and to cheer you up some more, we only have 100 odd years left of coal too...

Before then hopefully civilization will wake up and turn to engine techs that don't use much gas or hell don't use any gas. What about natural gas and corn-gas? How are supplies of natural gas? Methane can be extracted from landfills, no? I'm betting that when dino fuel starts running low that we'll need these alternatives.

 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Well in that case I predict the entire collapse of Western Civilization as you know it in 50 years when all the oil has gone. Oh, and to cheer you up some more, we only have 100 odd years left of coal too...
Wrong, but nice to see that you've bought into that scare tactic. There are untapped oil reserves in the former soviet union and the Gulf Of Mexico that will make the Middle East seem like a drop in the bucket. As for coal......we're lousy with it here in Oklahoma, we just don't mine that much of it. Hey look out......the sky is falling!!!!

Alberta also has enormous oil reserves but the oil is too expensive to process. Anyways, even if we have the oil is it wise to continue to rely on it exclusively without exploring alternatives? Is it worth the environmental destruction of surveying and extracting oil? I think that better choices lie ahead.
 

Mookow

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No way! France speaks out against US war plan

Well, of course. It differs from the standard military strategy of the French during wartime: The only fighting french troops should engage in is over who gets to surrender first.

 

Hayabusa Rider

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FYI
The French got themselves into a mess some time back. They got out of it, and warned us not to make the same mistake. That was Vietnam.
 

MadRat

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The advance stopped short of Baghdad in `91 for a reason.

Not because of the threat, but for the lack of one.
 

MadRat

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On that last point of the French offering advice... FVCK THEM!

Do you know why we got into Vietnam? The French. Those greasy, whiney bastards need the STFU when it comes to foriegn policy.
 

sc0tty8

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Heh, I wish they would just get this bullsh!t over with. They should just nuke the bastards. I am so tired of bush wasting my tax dollars on this crap:(
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: sc0tty8
Heh, I wish they would just get this bullsh!t over with. They should just nuke the bastards. I am so tired of bush wasting my tax dollars on this crap:(

Do you hate Saddam or all Iraqi's? Do you have some kind of localized Super-smart Nuke that can pick only him out?

Seems like your tarring the People with the Saddam brush, and that is a very dangerous way to think...
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: MadRat
On that last point of the French offering advice... FVCK THEM! Do you know why we got into Vietnam? The French. Those greasy, whiney bastards need the STFU when it comes to foriegn policy.

McCarthy had more to do with it than the French. That does not mean that I approve of what the French did, nevertheless the US decided to go in not because of the French, but because of Communism.

Looky here
 

Moonbeam

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sc0tty8, don't you just hate it when you could save a dime by killing thousands and thousands of people encluding your own soldiers. I know it sure pisses me off. But I just a lot of people aren't smart like you and me. They think about ethical issues, hey they chave the capacity to think in general, which must be a bummer. Anyway, we're lucky to be clear eyed Americans. Somebody disturbs our sleep or costs us money, kill um, nuke um. The good part is when the flash is overhead, heck, you don't even have time to realize that somebody else must have had the same idea.
 

VFAA

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Originally posted by: Bobomatic
France, what do they know about war plans. Umm, when is the last war that they won?
rolleye.gif
They saved the USAs ass in the American Revolution, didn't they? If it hasn't been for them, you probably wouldn't be sitting here and enjoying the internet.

EDIT:

And on a side note, there is nobody supporting USAs actions against Iraq at the moment. Tony Blair seem to support it but 68% of the population in BG does not. Do you people really want another war against Iraq? A lot of countries in Europe, Asia and even Canada does not support USAs actions against Iraq.
 

MadRat

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The American Revolution was an inevitable outcome. The logistics were too incredible for the British to overcome. We honor the French for what they did, not that it was necessary. Kind of like how the wife honors you for putting the seat down on the toilet when in reality she could do it herself if you were not around. ;)
 

SnapIT

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For many years Europe had to face Germany, trying to become the world power, i strongly fear that the US will become the next country to try to achieve world power...

You can see it in the comments people make, glass parking lots, how the US is the only country that counts, nuke this, nuke that... You may think of this as a joke, but who didn't when the German Reich started to form?

It scares me... because i know, that the WWIII will be between US and the rest of the world...
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
For many years Europe had to face Germany, trying to become the world power, i strongly fear that the US will become the next country to try to achieve world power...

You can see it in the comments people make, glass parking lots, how the US is the only country that counts, nuke this, nuke that... You may think of this as a joke, but who didn't when the German Reich started to form?

It scares me... because i know, that the WWIII will be between US and the rest of the world...

ROFLMAO. Quick, go find a cave to hide in. Hurry, those evil Americans are coming.
rolleye.gif
 

Bollocks

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Originally posted by: HOWITIS
lets forget about iraq, lets go after the frogs, i'm willing to enter the draft for that.

Why are so many Americans war-mongering and jingoistic?
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
For many years Europe had to face Germany, trying to become the world power, i strongly fear that the US will become the next country to try to achieve world power...

You can see it in the comments people make, glass parking lots, how the US is the only country that counts, nuke this, nuke that... You may think of this as a joke, but who didn't when the German Reich started to form?

It scares me... because i know, that the WWIII will be between US and the rest of the world...

ROFLMAO. Quick, go find a cave to hide in. Hurry, those evil Americans are coming.
rolleye.gif

Yup, that is all we have, we live in the mountains here in sweden, lot's of caves...

And you are acting just like i said you would...

I lived in the US for 16 years, i have no problem except for your general attitude towards the rest of the world...

IF something should happen, UN should do it, you do not agree, well, it is you against the world, got that mr high and mighty?

The problem is, the US think they can do what they want in the world, the Americans think that they are somehow superior... naturally, all of that is BS...

I really don't give a fsck about the oil down there, the gas i buy is produced from oil from Norway... We are not members of the kiss ass coalition NATO so i will not have to bother about that either, but what will you do when you have defeated them? start dealing with governments that critizises your ways of dealing with it?

The US will try to become a superpower, not in my lifetime, and not in yours, but eventually... It has already started, superiority is the first step of changing the nations minds, it has been done before...
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
For many years Europe had to face Germany, trying to become the world power, i strongly fear that the US will become the next country to try to achieve world power...

You can see it in the comments people make, glass parking lots, how the US is the only country that counts, nuke this, nuke that... You may think of this as a joke, but who didn't when the German Reich started to form?

It scares me... because i know, that the WWIII will be between US and the rest of the world...

ROFLMAO. Quick, go find a cave to hide in. Hurry, those evil Americans are coming.
rolleye.gif

Yup, that is all we have, we live in the mountains here in sweden, lot's of caves...

And you are acting just like i said you would...

I lived in the US for 16 years, i have no problem except for your general attitude towards the rest of the world...

IF something should happen, UN should do it, you do not agree, well, it is you against the world, got that mr high and mighty?

The problem is, the US think they can do what they want in the world, the Americans think that they are somehow superior... naturally, all of that is BS...

I really don't give a fsck about the oil down there, the gas i buy is produced from oil from Norway... We are not members of the kiss ass coalition NATO so i will not have to bother about that either, but what will you do when you have defeated them? start dealing with governments that critizises your ways of dealing with it?

The US will try to become a superpower, not in my lifetime, and not in yours, but eventually... It has already started, superiority is the first step of changing the nations minds, it has been done before...

1. We are a superpower
2. If we really wanted to do what you are saying, what is stopping us?
3. Your "i don't give a fsck" statement is exactly the short sightedness that causes europe to get the sh!t kicked out of it every 50 years or so.
4. You must have spent 16 years here with your head stuck up your ass since it is obvious you know nothing about the people here, what makes us tick, etc. The attitude you describe would at least have to prevelant in our gov't and military. It is not in either case so it is obvious that you are getting your info from some biased euro news source and are simply America bashing and talking out your ass. Why don't you take a look at your own country and see if you can't figure out why you can't fix the problems on your continent, in your part of the world, instead of being like every other f-tard and doing nothing but blaming America every time something goes wrong.

 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
For many years Europe had to face Germany, trying to become the world power, i strongly fear that the US will become the next country to try to achieve world power...

You can see it in the comments people make, glass parking lots, how the US is the only country that counts, nuke this, nuke that... You may think of this as a joke, but who didn't when the German Reich started to form?

It scares me... because i know, that the WWIII will be between US and the rest of the world...

ROFLMAO. Quick, go find a cave to hide in. Hurry, those evil Americans are coming.
rolleye.gif

Yup, that is all we have, we live in the mountains here in sweden, lot's of caves...

And you are acting just like i said you would...

I lived in the US for 16 years, i have no problem except for your general attitude towards the rest of the world...

IF something should happen, UN should do it, you do not agree, well, it is you against the world, got that mr high and mighty?

The problem is, the US think they can do what they want in the world, the Americans think that they are somehow superior... naturally, all of that is BS...

I really don't give a fsck about the oil down there, the gas i buy is produced from oil from Norway... We are not members of the kiss ass coalition NATO so i will not have to bother about that either, but what will you do when you have defeated them? start dealing with governments that critizises your ways of dealing with it?

The US will try to become a superpower, not in my lifetime, and not in yours, but eventually... It has already started, superiority is the first step of changing the nations minds, it has been done before...

1. We are a superpower
2. If we really wanted to do what you are saying, what is stopping us?
3. Your "i don't give a fsck" statement is exactly the short sightedness that causes europe to get the sh!t kicked out of it every 50 years or so.
4. You must have spent 16 years here with your head stuck up your ass since it is obvious you know nothing about the people here, what makes us tick, etc. The attitude you describe would at least have to prevelant in our gov't and military. It is not in either case so it is obvious that you are getting your info from some biased euro news source and are simply America bashing and talking out your ass. Why don't you take a look at your own country and see if you can't figure out why you can't fix the problems on your continent, in your part of the world, instead of being like every other f-tard and doing nothing but blaming America every time something goes wrong.


1. the rest of the world is stronger
2. i didn't say anything was stopping you, it's just a matter of time, as i see it, i would have thought you would understand that by now...
3. yup, the "Americans are superior" that i expected...
4. no, the rest of the world only blames the US when they interfere when the rest of the world think they should not... why don't you get it, UN should make the decisions, the US cannot allow that, they want to be seperated from the world, more powerful than the world (IE a world power, just like Nazi-Germany)... I have NEVER blamed america for anything, pleeeease tell me when someone has? in a desicion that wasn't americas own?

You try, you try so hard to justify, yet you fail so miserably... time and time and time again...

 

Bollocks

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
For many years Europe had to face Germany, trying to become the world power, i strongly fear that the US will become the next country to try to achieve world power...

You can see it in the comments people make, glass parking lots, how the US is the only country that counts, nuke this, nuke that... You may think of this as a joke, but who didn't when the German Reich started to form?

It scares me... because i know, that the WWIII will be between US and the rest of the world...

ROFLMAO. Quick, go find a cave to hide in. Hurry, those evil Americans are coming.
rolleye.gif

Yup, that is all we have, we live in the mountains here in sweden, lot's of caves...

And you are acting just like i said you would...

I lived in the US for 16 years, i have no problem except for your general attitude towards the rest of the world...

IF something should happen, UN should do it, you do not agree, well, it is you against the world, got that mr high and mighty?

The problem is, the US think they can do what they want in the world, the Americans think that they are somehow superior... naturally, all of that is BS...

I really don't give a fsck about the oil down there, the gas i buy is produced from oil from Norway... We are not members of the kiss ass coalition NATO so i will not have to bother about that either, but what will you do when you have defeated them? start dealing with governments that critizises your ways of dealing with it?

The US will try to become a superpower, not in my lifetime, and not in yours, but eventually... It has already started, superiority is the first step of changing the nations minds, it has been done before...

1. We are a superpower
2. If we really wanted to do what you are saying, what is stopping us?
3. Your "i don't give a fsck" statement is exactly the short sightedness that causes europe to get the sh!t kicked out of it every 50 years or so.
4. You must have spent 16 years here with your head stuck up your ass since it is obvious you know nothing about the people here, what makes us tick, etc. The attitude you describe would at least have to prevelant in our gov't and military. It is not in either case so it is obvious that you are getting your info from some biased euro news source and are simply America bashing and talking out your ass. Why don't you take a look at your own country and see if you can't figure out why you can't fix the problems on your continent, in your part of the world, instead of being like every other f-tard and doing nothing but blaming America every time something goes wrong.


You are a jingoistic imperialist fucktard.

 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Bollocks
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
For many years Europe had to face Germany, trying to become the world power, i strongly fear that the US will become the next country to try to achieve world power...

You can see it in the comments people make, glass parking lots, how the US is the only country that counts, nuke this, nuke that... You may think of this as a joke, but who didn't when the German Reich started to form?

It scares me... because i know, that the WWIII will be between US and the rest of the world...

ROFLMAO. Quick, go find a cave to hide in. Hurry, those evil Americans are coming.
rolleye.gif

Yup, that is all we have, we live in the mountains here in sweden, lot's of caves...

And you are acting just like i said you would...

I lived in the US for 16 years, i have no problem except for your general attitude towards the rest of the world...

IF something should happen, UN should do it, you do not agree, well, it is you against the world, got that mr high and mighty?

The problem is, the US think they can do what they want in the world, the Americans think that they are somehow superior... naturally, all of that is BS...

I really don't give a fsck about the oil down there, the gas i buy is produced from oil from Norway... We are not members of the kiss ass coalition NATO so i will not have to bother about that either, but what will you do when you have defeated them? start dealing with governments that critizises your ways of dealing with it?

The US will try to become a superpower, not in my lifetime, and not in yours, but eventually... It has already started, superiority is the first step of changing the nations minds, it has been done before...

1. We are a superpower
2. If we really wanted to do what you are saying, what is stopping us?
3. Your "i don't give a fsck" statement is exactly the short sightedness that causes europe to get the sh!t kicked out of it every 50 years or so.
4. You must have spent 16 years here with your head stuck up your ass since it is obvious you know nothing about the people here, what makes us tick, etc. The attitude you describe would at least have to prevelant in our gov't and military. It is not in either case so it is obvious that you are getting your info from some biased euro news source and are simply America bashing and talking out your ass. Why don't you take a look at your own country and see if you can't figure out why you can't fix the problems on your continent, in your part of the world, instead of being like every other f-tard and doing nothing but blaming America every time something goes wrong.


You are a patriotic jingoistic imperialist fucktard.

Americans are not too popular - it's about time you stopped eating the hot dogs and hamburgers and absorbed the message.


Make your point, skip the namecalling...