No smoking in bars in NJ....

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: waggy
i think its wrong. a private business should be able to say if something that is legal is permited in there business. I hate smokeing and think its disgusting. But i sure do not want the goverment telling me i can not allow something that is legal to happen.

i appreciate you not having to be rude with your rebuttal waggy. :thumbsup:

second hand smoke is a carcinogen. that is why the government is stepping in on this one.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I no longer smoke, but this just seems wrong to me. Anyone can feel free to open a bar which does not allow smoking for all those who get bothered by it.

Yeah, but the employees are the ones who suffer. It's a bar, drink. Just because drinking makes you want to smoke shouldn't matter.. drinking makes some people want to shoot off guns... should they allow guns in bars for this reason? Flawed logic, probably, but why should people who don't smoke be force to breathe smoke or get shot when they go out to a club? :laugh:

:beer:

So don't get a job there. I've turned down a few jobs because I thought they were too dangerous. This used to be a free country. Feel free to go to a non-smoking bar, but it should not be a law.

smoking isn't a danger that is a direct result of serving alchohol. Working in a hookah bar where they are selling and serving tobacoo for smoking in the building, the danger of smoke is inherant to that job. There is a difference.

Falling is not a danger inherant in window washing. Does that mean that window washing companies should now be forced to do only ground level windows because people are afraid they may fall and die? No, if you are afraid you just turn down the job.

However window washing sky scrapers requires that you are hoisted above ground. Anytime you are hoisted up above the ground falling is a danger inherant to that act. Any time your job requires you to be hoisted above ground there is the danger of fallign tha tis not rocket science. Pouring some shmuch a drink and clearing his glasses off the table are not jobs that should require exposure to a non essential danger.

For example like i said above when I goto the offic ean dsit at my desk would it be acceptable for there to be exposed electrical cables, asbestos coming through the air ducts and lead paint chips everywhere?? Of course that wouldn't be acceptable because those dangers are not in herant to a job that requires sitting at a desk. The dangers that are in herant are carpel tunnel, paper cuts, aches and pains from sitting in a non ergonomic posiition for 8 hours. Lets use a more extreme example now.....a soldier who goes into the army as infrantry understands that getting shot at is a danger inherant to his job as an infrantry person. Getting shot at on a daily basis in my office is not a danger inherant to a desk job.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Regs
How about you just round up all the smokers in ghettos or concentration camps?

i wish. maybe then my little brother would stop.

 

[TStep]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: TStep

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

-because the bar stools are more comfy than the park bench outside
-there is usually more people to bum a smoke from in the bar than outside
-they don't let me have a beer with my cig on the street
-I don't like the way the exhaust from the cars taints the flavor of my cig

those aren't needs. those are wants. See I don't want clean air to breath my body needs clean air to breath

Besides bar stools ar enot at all comfortable typically just wood, if everyone is outside lighting up you have a steady location to run to to bum them, many bars in CT have begun setting up roped off areas outside the bar where you can drink and smoke ask your bar owner to do the same, car exhaust? thats a joke.

yes, it's all a joke and using the reduction in air quality from 2nd hand smoke as a measure of NEED is shortsighted. You have ingested 2nd hand smoke and you are here today to debate. ie: you WANT cleaner air for yourself, but do not necessarily NEED the cleaner air that a smoke free taproom would provide, nor have others before you.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I no longer smoke, but this just seems wrong to me. Anyone can feel free to open a bar which does not allow smoking for all those who get bothered by it.

Yeah, but the employees are the ones who suffer. It's a bar, drink. Just because drinking makes you want to smoke shouldn't matter.. drinking makes some people want to shoot off guns... should they allow guns in bars for this reason? Flawed logic, probably, but why should people who don't smoke be force to breathe smoke or get shot when they go out to a club? :laugh:

:beer:

So don't get a job there. I've turned down a few jobs because I thought they were too dangerous. This used to be a free country. Feel free to go to a non-smoking bar, but it should not be a law.

smoking isn't a danger that is a direct result of serving alchohol. Working in a hookah bar where they are selling and serving tobacoo for smoking in the building, the danger of smoke is inherant to that job. There is a difference.

Falling is not a danger inherant in window washing. Does that mean that window washing companies should now be forced to do only ground level windows because people are afraid they may fall and die? No, if you are afraid you just turn down the job.

However window washing sky scrapers requires that you are hoisted above ground. Anytime you are hoisted up above the ground falling is a danger inherant to that act. Any time your job requires you to be hoisted above ground there is the danger of fallign tha tis not rocket science. Pouring some shmuch a drink and clearing his glasses off the table are not jobs that should require exposure to a non essential danger.

For example like i said above when I goto the offic ean dsit at my desk would it be acceptable for there to be exposed electrical cables, asbestos coming through the air ducts and lead paint chips everywhere?? Of course that wouldn't be acceptable because those dangers are not in herant to a job that requires sitting at a desk. The dangers that are in herant are carpel tunnel, paper cuts, aches and pains from sitting in a non ergonomic posiition for 8 hours. Lets use a more extreme example now.....a soldier who goes into the army as infrantry understands that getting shot at is a danger inherant to his job as an infrantry person. Getting shot at on a daily basis in my office is not a danger inherant to a desk job.

Pouring drinks in a smoking bar exposes one to smoke, just as washing windows on a skyscraper is dangerous. If they would make a law that requires bars and resturaunts to announce if they are smoking establishments or not, I would have no problem with that. Then the risk would be part of the job.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I no longer smoke, but this just seems wrong to me. Anyone can feel free to open a bar which does not allow smoking for all those who get bothered by it.

Yeah, but the employees are the ones who suffer. It's a bar, drink. Just because drinking makes you want to smoke shouldn't matter.. drinking makes some people want to shoot off guns... should they allow guns in bars for this reason? Flawed logic, probably, but why should people who don't smoke be force to breathe smoke or get shot when they go out to a club? :laugh:

:beer:

So don't get a job there. I've turned down a few jobs because I thought they were too dangerous. This used to be a free country. Feel free to go to a non-smoking bar, but it should not be a law.

smoking isn't a danger that is a direct result of serving alchohol. Working in a hookah bar where they are selling and serving tobacoo for smoking in the building, the danger of smoke is inherant to that job. There is a difference.

Falling is not a danger inherant in window washing. Does that mean that window washing companies should now be forced to do only ground level windows because people are afraid they may fall and die? No, if you are afraid you just turn down the job.

However window washing sky scrapers requires that you are hoisted above ground. Anytime you are hoisted up above the ground falling is a danger inherant to that act. Any time your job requires you to be hoisted above ground there is the danger of fallign tha tis not rocket science. Pouring some shmuch a drink and clearing his glasses off the table are not jobs that should require exposure to a non essential danger.

For example like i said above when I goto the offic ean dsit at my desk would it be acceptable for there to be exposed electrical cables, asbestos coming through the air ducts and lead paint chips everywhere?? Of course that wouldn't be acceptable because those dangers are not in herant to a job that requires sitting at a desk. The dangers that are in herant are carpel tunnel, paper cuts, aches and pains from sitting in a non ergonomic posiition for 8 hours. Lets use a more extreme example now.....a soldier who goes into the army as infrantry understands that getting shot at is a danger inherant to his job as an infrantry person. Getting shot at on a daily basis in my office is not a danger inherant to a desk job.

Pouring drinks in a smoking bar exposes one to smoke, just as washing windows on a skyscraper is dangerous. If they would make a law that requires bars and resturaunts to announce if they are smoking establishments or not, I would have no problem with that. Then the risk would be part of the job.

so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: TStep

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: TStep

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

-because the bar stools are more comfy than the park bench outside
-there is usually more people to bum a smoke from in the bar than outside
-they don't let me have a beer with my cig on the street
-I don't like the way the exhaust from the cars taints the flavor of my cig

those aren't needs. those are wants. See I don't want clean air to breath my body needs clean air to breath

Besides bar stools ar enot at all comfortable typically just wood, if everyone is outside lighting up you have a steady location to run to to bum them, many bars in CT have begun setting up roped off areas outside the bar where you can drink and smoke ask your bar owner to do the same, car exhaust? thats a joke.

yes, it's all a joke and using the reduction in air quality from 2nd hand smoke as a measure of NEED is shortsighted. You have ingested 2nd hand smoke and you are here today to debate. ie: you WANT cleaner air for yourself, but do not necessarily NEED the cleaner air that a smoke free taproom would provide, nor have others before you.

no its science your body needs clean air to function at an optimal level.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Regs
How about you just round up all the smokers in ghettos or concentration camps?

Well hey, if you're offering...

3 year jail sentence for you for making a joke out of concentration camps!

I didn't, he did!

We could just call them internment camps, those are allowed.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: waggy
i think its wrong. a private business should be able to say if something that is legal is permited in there business. I hate smokeing and think its disgusting. But i sure do not want the goverment telling me i can not allow something that is legal to happen.

i appreciate you not having to be rude with your rebuttal waggy. :thumbsup:

second hand smoke is a carcinogen. that is why the government is stepping in on this one.

No matter how many times you say it it does not make it true

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: TStep

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: TStep

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

-because the bar stools are more comfy than the park bench outside
-there is usually more people to bum a smoke from in the bar than outside
-they don't let me have a beer with my cig on the street
-I don't like the way the exhaust from the cars taints the flavor of my cig

those aren't needs. those are wants. See I don't want clean air to breath my body needs clean air to breath

Besides bar stools ar enot at all comfortable typically just wood, if everyone is outside lighting up you have a steady location to run to to bum them, many bars in CT have begun setting up roped off areas outside the bar where you can drink and smoke ask your bar owner to do the same, car exhaust? thats a joke.

yes, it's all a joke and using the reduction in air quality from 2nd hand smoke as a measure of NEED is shortsighted. You have ingested 2nd hand smoke and you are here today to debate. ie: you WANT cleaner air for yourself, but do not necessarily NEED the cleaner air that a smoke free taproom would provide, nor have others before you.

no its science your body needs clean air to function at an optimal level.

Yet why do you NEED TO GO TO THE BAR?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

Here's the difference: Smoking is a legal thing to do. Asbestos and lead paint are illegal. The owner should have a right to decide whether or not to permit a legal substance into his bar.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: TStep

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: TStep

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

-because the bar stools are more comfy than the park bench outside
-there is usually more people to bum a smoke from in the bar than outside
-they don't let me have a beer with my cig on the street
-I don't like the way the exhaust from the cars taints the flavor of my cig

those aren't needs. those are wants. See I don't want clean air to breath my body needs clean air to breath

Besides bar stools ar enot at all comfortable typically just wood, if everyone is outside lighting up you have a steady location to run to to bum them, many bars in CT have begun setting up roped off areas outside the bar where you can drink and smoke ask your bar owner to do the same, car exhaust? thats a joke.

yes, it's all a joke and using the reduction in air quality from 2nd hand smoke as a measure of NEED is shortsighted. You have ingested 2nd hand smoke and you are here today to debate. ie: you WANT cleaner air for yourself, but do not necessarily NEED the cleaner air that a smoke free taproom would provide, nor have others before you.

no its science your body needs clean air to function at an optimal level.

Yet why do you NEED TO GO TO THE BAR?

TO WORK FOR MONEY TO SURVIVE!!! TO SOCIALIZE!!! ANY BAZILLION REASONS.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

Here's the difference: Smoking is a legal thing to do. Asbestos and lead paint are illegal. The owner should have a right to decide whether or not to permit a legal substance into his bar.

Ok lets say then we take the nastiest legal chemical we can find at home depot and have them leak onto me while im bartending. I'm warned that this is a danger. Is that cool?

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

Feel free to go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. It should not be a law though.

This is horrible logic. Why should people who don't smoke be forced to change their lives for a bunch of addicts? If you want to smoke you make the sacrifices, not the people who just want to go to the bar for a drink.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

Here's the difference: Smoking is a legal thing to do. Asbestos and lead paint are illegal. The owner should have a right to decide whether or not to permit a legal substance into his bar.

right.

As a ex-business owner i hate the idea of the goverment telling me i can have something that is legal in my business. not to mention it is going to cut down on my profits.

as a private citizen it scares me to think when they are going to make it illegal for me to do in my home (for the record i do not smoke). And i worry what is next.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

Here's the difference: Smoking is a legal thing to do. Asbestos and lead paint are illegal. The owner should have a right to decide whether or not to permit a legal substance into his bar.

Ok lets say then we take the nastiest legal chemical we can find at home depot and have them leak onto me while im bartending. I'm warned that this is a danger. Is that cool?

Yes, it is. You may not like it, and you won't take the job because of it, but yes, that's legal.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

you really aren't grasping this at all are you?

edit: to be an electrician you HAVE to handle wires. to wash windows you HAVE to go up in the air. to be a cop chances are you'll HAVE to dodge bullets at some point. these are dangerous jobs.

to pour a drink you don't HAVE to inhale smoke. to serve food you don't HAVE to inhale smoke. to say otherwise is asinine.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

Here's the difference: Smoking is a legal thing to do. Asbestos and lead paint are illegal. The owner should have a right to decide whether or not to permit a legal substance into his bar.

right.

As a ex-business owner i hate the idea of the goverment telling me i can have something that is legal in my business. not to mention it is going to cut down on my profits.

as a private citizen it scares me to think when they are going to make it illegal for me to do in my home (for the record i do not smoke). And i worry what is next.

honestly waggy, bars and restaurants in NY have not suffered from no smoking legislation. in the beginning it seemed so, but after awhile there were no noticeable differences.

 

[BUrassler]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

Here's the difference: Smoking is a legal thing to do. Asbestos and lead paint are illegal. The owner should have a right to decide whether or not to permit a legal substance into his bar.

It is a legal choice for you to skome if you wish. It is not legal for you to force me to inhale those same poisons you which to partake in however. Its legal for you to have sex in your own how, but is it something you often see done on top of a table at a bar? NO. Because it directly affects the other paying customers who have just as mucha right to be there as you do and do not wish to be subjected to that.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

Here's the difference: Smoking is a legal thing to do. Asbestos and lead paint are illegal. The owner should have a right to decide whether or not to permit a legal substance into his bar.

Ok lets say then we take the nastiest legal chemical we can find at home depot and have them leak onto me while im bartending. I'm warned that this is a danger. Is that cool?

Yes, it is. You may not like it, and you won't take the job because of it, but yes, that's legal.

ok thats confirms it you are a moron. If we let you have your way.....there wouldn't any health or building codes, there would be no accoutability for work place hazards and there wouldn't like be any jobs that were actually safe to goto. Your a brilliant man.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
so then it would be ok as long as they told you ahead of time that you would also be breathing asbestos and lead paint dust while having to dodge exposed electrical wires. So if thye warned you about it first its cool.

There are people who work with live wires every day. It's part of their job. And it's dangerous.

I agree whats your point? They knew that when they became electricians.

Precisely. He was aware of the dangers. And the guy knows when he takes the job in the smoking bar.

EDIT: You are agreeing then that if I wanted to get a bartending job....as long as the owner told me i'd be exposed to lead paint dust as well as asbestos and exposed wiring that its ok.

Here's the difference: Smoking is a legal thing to do. Asbestos and lead paint are illegal. The owner should have a right to decide whether or not to permit a legal substance into his bar.

right.

As a ex-business owner i hate the idea of the goverment telling me i can have something that is legal in my business. not to mention it is going to cut down on my profits.

as a private citizen it scares me to think when they are going to make it illegal for me to do in my home (for the record i do not smoke). And i worry what is next.

honestly waggy, bars and restaurants in NY have not suffered from no smoking legislation. in the beginning it seemed so, but after awhile there were no noticeable differences.

the same here in georgia, at least at the places i frequent. they have provided for smokers with a roped off area outside with buttcans and tables/chairs. if anything their business has gone up (note that most of the places i go to aren't straight up bars, they are mostly resteraunts with attached bars) because families have started coming back in.