No smoking in bars in NJ....

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Regs
Second hand smoking will kill you -- you know. So driving home drunk trying to weave through all the innocent bystanders has now become a Olympic sport?

At this rate, I would not be surprised if prohibition comes back.

And the 10 commandments in courthouses? Who needs them? I shall not commit murder is a bit obsolete for our time any how. However for some weird reason or strange coincidence...."in god we trust" is still printed on the dollar bill.

this country is going down the toliet, isn't it? :laugh:

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I can't believe so many are in favor of these laws. Kinda sad. I think smoking is nasty and hate smelling like it too, but this is a slippery slope that we're on. You'd all be the first to complain if they outlawed alcohol consumption in private businesses, or something similar.

Yes, because the person beside you comes home smelling like all the booze you drank, with cirrhosis of the liver too...

:sigh:

 

[Aharami]

I for one cannot wait till this goes into effect. I'd love to come back from a bar not smelling like smoke

 

[gigapet]

how bout this if you can find a way to smoke ciggarettes without making my clothes smell like sh1t or making it difficult for non smokers to breath we will review this law. until then stfu stop whining. Drinking shouldnt require my clothes smelling terrible and hacking up flem at the end of the night. if you want your cancer stick step out side and smoke until the cows come home.

 

[Asharus]

Originally posted by: Albis
i love no smoking bars and hope more states will follow

Same here

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Molondo
Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

THis country was not founded on MAJORITY RULES.

It was founded ON PERSONAL RIGHTS or THE RIGHTS OF THE ONE.

But the problem here is that the majority of people have the personal right to clean air, which is essential to human life, a right that the minority belives they have the personal right to take away from the others as they see fit, simply because they cannot confine their bad habits to certain locations.

Smokers may have the right to smoke, but they should not have the right to deprive me of my choice not to smoke simply because they are selfish and arrogant.

It never should have been a govnermental issue. If the government wants to ban smoking in public areas (courthouse, city hall, etc...) that's fine....when they start banning things like smoking in bars it is an infringement of property rights.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Molondo
Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

THis country was not founded on MAJORITY RULES.

It was founded ON PERSONAL RIGHTS or THE RIGHTS OF THE ONE.

But the problem here is that the majority of people have the personal right to clean air, which is essential to human life, a right that the minority belives they have the personal right to take away from the others as they see fit, simply because they cannot confine their bad habits to certain locations.

Smokers may have the right to smoke, but they should not have the right to deprive me of my choice not to smoke simply because they are selfish and arrogant.

It never should have been a govnermental issue. If the government wants to ban smoking in public areas (courthouse, city hall, etc...) that's fine....when they start banning things like smoking in bars it is an infringement of property rights.

so when they said 8 year olds can't work in iron smelts anymore was that another big government infringement on the property rights of iron smelt owners?

or maybe a better example when they made it mandatory for their to be handicap access and male and female rest rooms......are those again infringments on property rights ?

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Molondo
Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

THis country was not founded on MAJORITY RULES.

It was founded ON PERSONAL RIGHTS or THE RIGHTS OF THE ONE.

But the problem here is that the majority of people have the personal right to clean air, which is essential to human life, a right that the minority belives they have the personal right to take away from the others as they see fit, simply because they cannot confine their bad habits to certain locations.

Smokers may have the right to smoke, but they should not have the right to deprive me of my choice not to smoke simply because they are selfish and arrogant.

It never should have been a govnermental issue. If the government wants to ban smoking in public areas (courthouse, city hall, etc...) that's fine....when they start banning things like smoking in bars it is an infringement of property rights.

so when they said 8 year olds can't work in iron smelts anymore was that another big government infringement on the property rights of iron smelt owners?

REVOLUTION!! Down with tyranny. Nukes in the garage for everyone!

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Molondo
Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

THis country was not founded on MAJORITY RULES.

It was founded ON PERSONAL RIGHTS or THE RIGHTS OF THE ONE.

But the problem here is that the majority of people have the personal right to clean air, which is essential to human life, a right that the minority belives they have the personal right to take away from the others as they see fit, simply because they cannot confine their bad habits to certain locations.

Smokers may have the right to smoke, but they should not have the right to deprive me of my choice not to smoke simply because they are selfish and arrogant.

It never should have been a govnermental issue. If the government wants to ban smoking in public areas (courthouse, city hall, etc...) that's fine....when they start banning things like smoking in bars it is an infringement of property rights.

so when they said 8 year olds can't work in iron smelts anymore was that another big government infringement on the property rights of iron smelt owners?

or maybe a better example when they made it mandatory for their to be handicap access and male and female rest rooms......are those again infringments on property rights ?

The child issue is a completely different arguement. Children under 18 have no "voice" for things like that.

The handicapped issue...well, yes I see that as an infringement on property rights as well.

 

[effowe]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I don't think they will ever ban smoking in IL which is part of why I want out so bad..

Dude, they just banned it in Chicago.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Molondo
Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

THis country was not founded on MAJORITY RULES.

It was founded ON PERSONAL RIGHTS or THE RIGHTS OF THE ONE.

But the problem here is that the majority of people have the personal right to clean air, which is essential to human life, a right that the minority belives they have the personal right to take away from the others as they see fit, simply because they cannot confine their bad habits to certain locations.

Smokers may have the right to smoke, but they should not have the right to deprive me of my choice not to smoke simply because they are selfish and arrogant.

It never should have been a govnermental issue. If the government wants to ban smoking in public areas (courthouse, city hall, etc...) that's fine....when they start banning things like smoking in bars it is an infringement of property rights.

so when they said 8 year olds can't work in iron smelts anymore was that another big government infringement on the property rights of iron smelt owners?

or maybe a better example when they made it mandatory for their to be handicap access and male and female rest rooms......are those again infringments on property rights ?

The child issue is a completely different arguement. Children under 18 have no "voice" for things like that.

The handicapped issue...well, yes I see that as an infringement on property rights as well.

should it be ok for there to be exposed electrical wires, asbestos and lead paint in the workplace too? How about poor lighting with uncovered razor sharp pieces of sheet metal laying about.

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I can't believe so many are in favor of these laws. Kinda sad. I think smoking is nasty and hate smelling like it too, but this is a slippery slope that we're on. You'd all be the first to complain if they outlawed alcohol consumption in private businesses, or something similar.

Well people can smoke on the street and I can't drink on the street so should I start crying about that, and other than bars and sporting events what other private businesses let you drink? People don't walk into the supermarket and crack open a beer while waiting on line, so why should they be allowed to smoke there? Bars are for drinking, if you want to smoke you go outside for 5 minutes, when you're done you go back in. Every person in the bar shouldn't accustom their lives to a smokers habits, if a person wants to smoke they make the sacrifice.

 

[gigapet]

can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: DougK62
I can't believe so many are in favor of these laws. Kinda sad. I think smoking is nasty and hate smelling like it too, but this is a slippery slope that we're on. You'd all be the first to complain if they outlawed alcohol consumption in private businesses, or something similar.

Yes, because the person beside you comes home smelling like all the booze you drank, with cirrhosis of the liver too...

:sigh:

LOL. That's not even the point. You aren't even trying to understand. YES - smoking smells bad and is bad for your health and others around you - I AGREE WITH THIS COMPLETELY. That's notwhat I'm worried about.

 

[TStep]

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

-because the bar stools are more comfy than the park bench outside
-there is usually more people to bum a smoke from in the bar than outside
-they don't let me have a beer with my cig on the street
-I don't like the way the exhaust from the cars taints the flavor of my cig

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: TStep

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

-because the bar stools are more comfy than the park bench outside
-there is usually more people to bum a smoke from in the bar than outside
-they don't let me have a beer with my cig on the street
-I don't like the way the exhaust from the cars taints the flavor of my cig

those aren't needs. those are wants. See I don't want clean air to breath my body needs clean air to breath

Besides bar stools ar enot at all comfortable typically just wood, if everyone is outside lighting up you have a steady location to run to to bum them, many bars in CT have begun setting up roped off areas outside the bar where you can drink and smoke ask your bar owner to do the same, car exhaust? thats a joke.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

Feel free to go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. It should not be a law though.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I no longer smoke, but this just seems wrong to me. Anyone can feel free to open a bar which does not allow smoking for all those who get bothered by it.

Yeah, but the employees are the ones who suffer. It's a bar, drink. Just because drinking makes you want to smoke shouldn't matter.. drinking makes some people want to shoot off guns... should they allow guns in bars for this reason? Flawed logic, probably, but why should people who don't smoke be force to breathe smoke or get shot when they go out to a club? :laugh:

:beer:

So don't get a job there. I've turned down a few jobs because I thought they were too dangerous. This used to be a free country. Feel free to go to a non-smoking bar, but it should not be a law.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: gigapet
can someone give me a good reason why you NEED to smoke IN the bar? I can give plenty of reasons why I Need to breathe IN the bar

Feel free to go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. It should not be a law though.

Dancing around the subject again. This isnt about me as a patron its about the right for workers to have safe work environment. The right to safe work environment supercedes any "need" patrons have to smoke inside.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I no longer smoke, but this just seems wrong to me. Anyone can feel free to open a bar which does not allow smoking for all those who get bothered by it.

Yeah, but the employees are the ones who suffer. It's a bar, drink. Just because drinking makes you want to smoke shouldn't matter.. drinking makes some people want to shoot off guns... should they allow guns in bars for this reason? Flawed logic, probably, but why should people who don't smoke be force to breathe smoke or get shot when they go out to a club? :laugh:

:beer:

So don't get a job there. I've turned down a few jobs because I thought they were too dangerous. This used to be a free country. Feel free to go to a non-smoking bar, but it should not be a law.

smoking isn't a danger that is a direct result of serving alchohol. Working in a hookah bar where they are selling and serving tobacoo for smoking in the building, the danger of smoke is inherant to that job. There is a difference.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I no longer smoke, but this just seems wrong to me. Anyone can feel free to open a bar which does not allow smoking for all those who get bothered by it.

Yeah, but the employees are the ones who suffer. It's a bar, drink. Just because drinking makes you want to smoke shouldn't matter.. drinking makes some people want to shoot off guns... should they allow guns in bars for this reason? Flawed logic, probably, but why should people who don't smoke be force to breathe smoke or get shot when they go out to a club? :laugh:

:beer:

So don't get a job there. I've turned down a few jobs because I thought they were too dangerous. This used to be a free country. Feel free to go to a non-smoking bar, but it should not be a law.

smoking isn't a danger that is a direct result of serving alchohol. Working in a hookah bar where they are selling and serving tobacoo for smoking in the building, the danger of smoke is inherant to that job. There is a difference.

Falling is not a danger inherant in window washing. Does that mean that window washing companies should now be forced to do only ground level windows because people are afraid they may fall and die? No, if you are afraid you just turn down the job.

 

[moshquerade]

a lot of the same ole arguments in this thread. fact is this is a good law. may it spread throughout the land.

 

[waggy]

i think its wrong. a private business should be able to say if something that is legal is permited in there business. I hate smokeing and think its disgusting. But i sure do not want the goverment telling me i can not allow something that is legal to happen.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Regs
How about you just round up all the smokers in ghettos or concentration camps?

Well hey, if you're offering...

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Regs
How about you just round up all the smokers in ghettos or concentration camps?

Well hey, if you're offering...

3 year jail sentence for you for making a joke out of concentration camps!