No smoking in bars in NJ....

[otispunkmeyer]

no smoking bars :thumbsup:

 

[Regs]

Trust me, if the common folk of this great nation found a way to make you socially inept or just plain disgusting or intolerable, they will find a way around the law to make your life miserable.

You are 40+ lbs over weight? We don't want you here.
You are 60+ years of age? We don't want you here. (nor should you drive, dear god no)
You robbed a candy bar when you were 18? You can't have this job Mr.Over Qualified.
You are a female? Hah, I'm just sorry.
You are African American? I don't even want to go there!
You smoke? You can't drink or work here (depending on the company).
You can count cards? (even though we can't prove cheating) We don't want you tipping the humongous odds in our casino. Bye and never come back.
Church, pay taxes? Hell no. Do they use our tax money? Hell yes. Just don't put the ten commandments up in our courthouses and you have yourself a deal! Yeh Haw!

Your child will receive 3 hours detention for failure to say the pledge of allegiance. Ohhhh no no no mister! My son doesn't have to say nothing, we're not religious! And I can make a national dispute about it too.


When will all these socially acceptable state "laws" end? It won't. They are not even laws. They are just a state of mind.

 

[Molondo]

There is a reason smoking is getting banned. Think about it.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Molondo
There is a reason smoking is getting banned. Think about it.

Not socially acceptable anymore. Period.

If you were about to tell me that we now just recently discovered cigarettes to be unhealthy or "smelly", you are a damn fool. ( I don't mean that as an personal insult). I just mean it's a little far fetched for anyone to believe cigarettes were anything but healthy.

Now we have a "war" on cigarettes. Increasing everybody's "awareness". Give me a f'ing brake. It's got to be the most hypocritical pile of garbage ever.

 

[Regs]

And guess where smoking is still inhibited from this new law? Can you guess? Casinos!! Go to Atlantic city and smoke all you want. Blow it in the damn black jack dealers face when you lose.

 

[Toonces]

yup, we have those type of laws here in Canada as well... Bingo halls and Casinos are exempt.

Lobby groups are strong on both sides of the border it seems damn hypocrites.

 

[Molondo]

Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

 

[Regs]

Yes Molondo, I agree. However this new ordinance or law will not change the matter. All it's doing is impeding on privately owned entrepreneur's rights to govern their own business. I am thinking that this is opening up a aboideau of other laws that none of us want-- yet have the will power to stand up and fight against if otherwise. If the substance, tobacco itself, is not deemed or classified as illegal, then there is no other recourse but to denounce the state law as un constitutional.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Molondo
Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

Do you know what tyranny of the majority is?

If the majority of people in this country wanted to elminate all minorities, would you be down for that because it was a majority behind it?

 

[rubix]

in the 80's restaurants had one side for smoking and one for non-smoking. what's wrong with that? if the waitresses/ers have a problem with that they can enter the smoking side in those all white radiation suits wearing masks and using those beeping probes.

 

[Zolty]

no smoking in bars rules, I can actually wear the cloths I went out in the next day!!

 

[Injury]

OP needs to go listen to some more "Rage Against the Machine" and go tell all his friends how George Bush is the devil.

Just about every statement you make is such a logical falicy that it goes without saying that you're just pissed because you, the minority of America, can no longer smoke in a public establishment because you feel it's your given right to pollute the air and make other people breathe it.

Hooray for New Jersey. If there was a bar around me that was non-smoking, I'd be there every night just to show them how much I appreciate that. Nothing sucks more than going to have a couple of beers with friends and choking on smoke, then coming home and needing to take a shower before you can turn in for the night because someone wanted to enjoy some nicotine.

 

[Confused]

I for one will be glad when England adopts a No Smoking policy.

I'm fed up with coming back from a pub/club and stinking of smoke. It stinks out my house until I can put the washing on and I have a shower.

I don't mind people smoking, but if it's a public place with non-smokers too, then we as non-smokers shouldn't have to put up with the second hand smoke from those who decide to do it. If I wanted to small of tobaco, I'd smoke myself.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: Regs
How about you just round up all the smokers in ghettos or concentration camps?

How about quitting?

Who said I smoked? I'm just a concerned member of this nations rights to free enterprise.

Free enterprise is too loosely defined to be a useful term in a debate.

Lets use the term private property rights

If it is my property then I should get to choose.

Now If you decide to enter MY property then you accept what rules I have in place in RE: smoking.

If non smoker really were reallt staying home to avoid the smoke, non smoking clubs would be popping up. They are not.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Molondo
Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

THis country was not founded on MAJORITY RULES.

It was founded ON PERSONAL RIGHTS or THE RIGHTS OF THE ONE.

 

[Pepsi90919]

deal with it. we've had it for years.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

All states should implement this. I remember I was in Chicago, and coming back from a resturaunt smelling like smoke. They said they ran out of non-smoking sections. Haven't heard "nonsmoking-section" in years.

Las Vegas of all places should heavily implement this.

 

[Deeko]

This is a GREAT law and I can't wait for them to bring it to PA. My smoker friends agree, too...being in the bar gives them an atmosphere where they smoke way more than normal, which, believe it or not most sane people don't like doing, not to mention it makes the rest of us reek.

 

[edro]

They banned it last year in Columbus, Ohio.

Man, I am so glad I can get drunk now and not smell like ****** when I wake up in the morning. (mainly my coat)

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Molondo
Not socially acceptable? Never should have been. Its just as bad as a greenhouse gas. Dirty and unhealthy. Everynon smoker will say the same, even smoker agree, they just don't have the will power to stop. Whatever, you can complain, but democracy is a democracy. Majority wins. I'm happy to know that my kids will have one less dirty retart habit to stay away from.

THis country was not founded on MAJORITY RULES.

It was founded ON PERSONAL RIGHTS or THE RIGHTS OF THE ONE.

But the problem here is that the majority of people have the personal right to clean air, which is essential to human life, a right that the minority belives they have the personal right to take away from the others as they see fit, simply because they cannot confine their bad habits to certain locations.

Smokers may have the right to smoke, but they should not have the right to deprive me of my choice not to smoke simply because they are selfish and arrogant.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I don't really care either way but maybe that is because I've never been to a smoke-free bar so I don't know what I'm missing.

However, I feel that if I want to open an establishment then I should be able to choose whether to allow smoking or not and hire people based on if the fact that it is a 'smoking' business bothers them or not. Smoking is legal so please refrain from replacing smoking with 'doing coke' when arguing against this.

 

[huberm]

IMO if they are going to ban smoking everywhere they should just completely outlaw tobacco products. As far as I know smoking is a legal activity, yet they put excessive restrictions on where it can be done at?

I think the only reason they haven't made smoking cigarettes illegal is because of the large amount of taxes they receive from tobacco/tobacco companies.

 

[ForumMaster]

Finally! it's about time! in Israel, smoking is prohibited inside all public places and now, they have finally passed the law in NJ as well. i remember when i was in some pubs in NJ! it would simply reek! smoking in unhealthy and passive smoking (breathing the smoke that smokers exhale) is JUST AS DANGEROUS AS SMOKING THE CIGARETTE YOUR SELF! shish! u wanna kill ur self, fine! i didn't do anything and hate smoking. y should i die becuase u r addicted to rat poison and all you want to do is waste your money? here's a quick question, do you know what is in cigarettes? Well here's your answer!

 

[DougK62]

I can't believe so many are in favor of these laws. Kinda sad. I think smoking is nasty and hate smelling like it too, but this is a slippery slope that we're on. You'd all be the first to complain if they outlawed alcohol consumption in private businesses, or something similar.

 

[wvtalbot]

Well considering you have to breathe the crap a smoker sitting next to you does, I think its a good idea, but not in Jersey you are breathing toxic air no matter where you are in that crap hole.