No job, no insurance, has brain tumor

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Hayabusa Rider

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The poor guy has a brain tumor. Let's not beat up either political "side" and let's instead think of ways to solve the guy's crisis. Maybe a collection? A bullied bus monitor in Upstate NY got over $700k for just being there. This might not be the best long term solution for a broad group of people facing life threatening situations and expensive medical bills, but maybe this kind of grassroots effort is a start in the right direction.

Those who say "this side thinks this" and "that side thinks that" are doing nothing more that propagating partisan flame fests. Make your own conclusions instead of suggesting you know what someone or a political party thinks. And you wonder why there is so much division.

That would be great, but official fund raising here has been problematic because of potential scams. Doesn't mean it's one by any means, but you could appreciate the difficulty it would place the forum in. If the OP had a link to an official story then perhaps people could donate as they see fit through the hospital or local cancer society.
 

a777pilot

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I was debating between putting this in off topic, but since it deals with the politics of insurance, I decided to put it here. And this is a serious topic.

Middle aged man, friend of my family, in his late 40s, let go from his job a few weeks ago, no health insurance, has been suffering from mood swings and headaches for several months. The man has also been forgetting stuff lately.

Family thought it might just be a mid-life crisis that a lot of people experience.

Last night the man started running a high fever. Wife took him to local small town emergency room where an x-ray of his head was done.

x-ray showed a baseball sized tumor in the brain.

Small town hospital shipped him to larger town for cat-scan and mri. Scans showed the cancer has spread into the sinus area.

As of this morning, he is in Houston.

The family is already looking at tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills.

Why isnt there a safety net for people who make more then what medicaid allows, but can not afford to buy health insurance?

Obama would force people to buy insurance. But when families are barely getting by, how are they supposed to pay for the coverage?

Why didn't he pay for COBRA?
 

Texashiker

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Why didn't he pay for COBRA?

I honestly do not know.

How many people think that a small lapse on insurance will cost them so much?

The daughter and son-in-law are on their way to houston. Family and friends are hoping to know more in the next couple of days.

Doctors told the family a biopsy needs to be done.
 

JKing106

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Or we could just cut Medicaid to the POS it covers now and instead extend it to the people described in the OP.

EDIT: Or extend free health care to people who graduate high school, don't have children out of wedlock, and don't do drugs

Its called the social contract which means there are obligations to both sides.

Why should it extend to the guy in the OP? Fuck him. I don't know him. It's not our fault he was stupid enough to lose his job and insurance, then let a tumor grow in his head.
 

Texashiker

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Why should it extend to the guy in the OP? Fuck him. I don't know him. It's not our fault he was stupid enough to lose his job and insurance, then let a tumor grow in his head.


I honestly hope you are being sarcastic.
 

JKing106

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Well look at the time stamp. I allowed more time and guess what? The lying shack of crit pussed out.

As I scrape dog shit off my shoe so I do with you. You are dismissed as worthless. Oh, rant if you want, but you painted yourself into a corner and when it came down to it you dumped a heaping pile of poo in your head. Wear it well, you deserve it.

Well, look who doesn't give a fuck about your opinion on anything. You honestly think I care what you, or anyone else in this fucking garbage heap of a forum thinks about me? Thinks about anything? You're a nobody, on a forum that nobody gives a flying fuck about, Your Grace. Go fuck yourself.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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This is my own personal worst fear and I have insurance. I can't imagine how not having it compounds the impact of something like this. I hope your friend manages the bills and the sickness OK.

And that's all I'll say because I really don't feel like using this to springboard into a political rant. These kind of things happen every day and have been for decades and that alone should be enough to create a push a better system than we have. Yet here we still are.

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sunzt

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I honestly do not know.

How many people think that a small lapse on insurance will cost them so much?

The daughter and son-in-law are on their way to houston. Family and friends are hoping to know more in the next couple of days.

Doctors told the family a biopsy needs to be done.

It won't be a lapse if he gets COBRA.....

I asked about what to do between a 30 day period between jobs if I get sick, and someone told me to sign the COBRA forms while i'm in the hospital.
 

JKing106

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I honestly hope you are being sarcastic.

That should be obvious. The real question is why should we give a shit about him over the millions of other people who are in similar situations? Just because you know him, that makes him special? Then there's the question of why we don't have a nationalized medical system, like every other civilized industrialized country in the FUCKING WORLD, where people could afford to have yearly physicals and screenings to detect things like your friend has? Because it's comminust? Socialist? Just common fucking sense and decency? Or because killing hundreds of thousands of brown civilians halfway around the world is so much more important?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Well, look who doesn't give a fuck about your opinion on anything. You honestly think I care what you, or anyone else in this fucking garbage heap of a forum thinks about me? Thinks about anything? You're a nobody, on a forum that nobody gives a flying fuck about, Your Grace. Go fuck yourself.

Heh, just as expected. You make a fool of yourself, prove to be an idiot at your insistence, get called on it and your response is that you don't care.

Self respect is out of the question for you, eh? Just fling shit and hope it sticks is an old tradition that you favor. Doesn't keep us from noticing you stink.
 

Texashiker

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That should be obvious. The real question is why should we give a shit about him over the millions of other people who are in similar situations? Just because you know him, that makes him special? Then there's the question of why we don't have a nationalized medical system, like every other civilized industrialized country in the FUCKING WORLD, where people could afford to have yearly physicals and screenings to detect things like your friend has? Because it's comminust? Socialist? Just common fucking sense and decency? Or because killing hundreds of thousands of brown civilians halfway around the world is so much more important?

Nothing really makes the guy in op special.

When people have fund raisers, such as selling lunch plates my wife and I buy the plates to help the people out.

Its the humanity of the issue. If we do not take care of each other, what makes us any different then animals.
 

WackyDan

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The family is going to apply for medicaid as soon as possible.

Currently the wife and man are in Houston. Their daughter is going to print the forms out and have them ready for when the mom gets back into town.

This is sudden news. My wife got the call from the mans daughter yesterday evening. The man and his wife were at the hospital, the doctors saw the tumor, called an ambulance and shipped him to Beaumont right then. From Beaumont he went to Houston.

The guy went in for a fever, and the next thing the family knows is he has a brain tumor and is in Houston.

The mans wife works, so I guess that will be factored into if they can get medicaid or not.

I doubt they will get medicaid. You have to be dirt poor to get on it.
 

nehalem256

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Nothing really makes the guy in op special.

When people have fund raisers, such as selling lunch plates my wife and I buy the plates to help the people out.

Its the humanity of the issue. If we do not take care of each other, what makes us any different then animals.

Which is why we should help the person in your original post, but not for example the homeless woman with 15 kids and 3 baby daddies.

If you act like an animal you should be treated like an animal.
 

yllus

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Medicaid?

Has it been discussed here that the Romney/Ryan ticket is quite explicit about making deep cuts to Medicaid? Most of the storm and fury seems to be about Medicare.

Washington Post - Paul Ryan’s biggest budget cuts are to Medicaid, not Medicare

As Ezra notes, Ryan’s cuts to Medicare “are only 60 percent as large as the cuts to Medicaid and other health-care programs.” What’s more, his biggest change to Medicare wouldn’t kick in until 2023—the start date for his voucher-based premium support program. By comparison, Ryan’s cuts to Medicaid are more drastic, and they start sooner: Between 2013 and 2022, it would make nearly $1.4 trillion in cuts to Medicaid that “would almost inevitably result in dramatic reductions in coverage” as well as enrollment, according to the non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation.

Over the next 10 years, the Ryan plan would cut Medicaid by $642 billion by repealing the Affordable Care Act and by $750 billion through new caps on federal spending—a 34 percent cut to Medicaid spending over the next decade, according to Edwin Park of the Center and Budget and Policy Priorities.

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Who would that impact? First, by overturning the ACA, the Ryan plan would prevent 11 million people from gaining Medicaid coverage by 2022, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s latest estimates.

At the same time, the Ryan plan would turn the entitlement program into a block-grant program. Currently, the federal government provides matching, open-ended funds to states, which each run their own Medicaid program. The Ryan plan would instead give states a block grant with a hard annual cap that would be adjusted to population growth and inflation, but it would not factor in rising health-care costs or economic conditions that impact state budgets.

The result? Much less federal money. In exchange, states would have more flexibility to set the parameters for their Medicaid programs.

States could replace the money with state funds, but they’re unlikely to be willing or able to do so to any significant degree: State budgets remain tight. Similarly, states could try to get more bang for the buck by delivering care more efficiently, but Medicaid is already more efficient and better at driving down costs per capita than both private insurance and national health-care costs overall, as the Kaiser Family Foundation notes. Indeed, Medicaid costs much less, per person, than equivalent private insurance.

That’s why the CBO believes that $750 billion in Medicaid cuts under the Ryan plan would “probably require states to reduce payments to providers, curtail eligibility for Medicaid, provide less extensive coverage to beneficiaries, or pay more themselves than would be the case under current law.”

If states maintained their current level of spending for each Medicaid patient, 19 million more people would have to be cut from the program in 2021 because of Ryan’s block-grant reform, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. If states managed to curb health-care spending growth in Medicaid, 14 million beneficiaries would still lose Medicaid coverage under the Ryan plan. And that’s on top of the 11 million Americans who would lose Medicaid coverage because the Ryan plan would repeal Obamacare. So all in all, Ryan’s cuts could mean as many as 30 million Medcaid beneficiaries lose their coverage.
 

soundforbjt

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Yes, profit. Those among us that choose to pay for, and attend specialized schools for years to learn specialized skills deserve to make a profit, no matter your emotional whinings.

Using your logic, why are there any doctors in the rest of the first world countries that offer universal coverage? Are they just stupid?
 

CountZero

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let go from his job a few weeks ago

There is a period after you are let go that you can still get COBRA, they need to act very quickly as I believe it is ~1-2 month mark. If the bills are as bad as you say (and they likely are) then the cost of COBRA will be small in comparison.
 

kia75

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Why didn't he pay for COBRA?

Because COBRA is FREAKING EXPENSIVE!

Something similar happened to me.

I wasn't laid off but received a new job that paid twice as much as I was making at the time! The job was in another city and required the purchase of a car. At my old job I had health insurance. In the new job I planned to get health insurance as soon as possible. Since I would be a contract employee for 6 months, then hired if they liked my work, it would be roughly 9 months I'd not have insurance.


After spending all of my money on a car I had little money and forwent insurance. Not that big of a deal, I'm young and healthy, plus a grand a month is very expensive, I can think of better stuff to do with $9,000. I also hadn't gotten sick in over a year and every time I did get sick it was just a cold or the flu.

2 months after I was hired at my new job I was jumped by two guys. That single night cost me $3000+ in medical bills.

Being jumped was a freak occurance, I've never been jumped in my previous years and I haven't been jumped since. The neighborhood I was walking in was a neighborhood that I had walked in numerous times with no problems. IMO, I did everything right, got a better job, moved up in my life, and all of a sudden I was jumped, I lost a few teeth, my knees are crappy, I lost a week's pay (since I was a contract employee no time off).

It would have been nice if the thousands of dollars I'd been paying for health insurance the previous years would have helped me out. It'd have been nice if I could have gotten health insurance as soon as I started working in my job instead of 6 months later (work liked me so much they hired me after 3 months instead of 6).

If I could do it again, I still don't think I would have taken Cobra. $6,000 vs $3,000, I think I came out ahead by ~$3,000. But it was crappy after years of never needing any medical assistance to not have it the moment I needed it.

It also makes me wonder if I do develop something in the future (cancer, diabetes, etc) will I be able to change jobs? or will Health Insurance force me to keep the same job for the rest of my life if I get ill?
 

kia75

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The wife works, they have a house they are buying, car, truck,,, I would not call them dirt poor, maybe lower middle class?


Many times people don't want to provide government programs to people unless they're extremely poor. This hurts the middle class the most because many middle class are just one catastrophe away from being poor.

A government program can make the difference between remaining in middle class or becoming poor for the rest of your life.
 

xj0hnx

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Using your logic, why are there any doctors in the rest of the first world countries that offer universal coverage? Are they just stupid?

Do you think that doctors pay is what has driven health care cost so high? LOL
 

SheHateMe

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I feel really sorry for the guy in the OP. That's a terrible predicament to be in. I read a story not too long ago about a woman that died from Cancer after not being able to get treatment because she didnt have insurance. Her family later found out that under Obama's ACA, she was eligible to apply for Florida's "High Risk Pool" in order to get a bit of relief. Of course, nobody knew that it was available to them or exactly what it was....I am still confused on what it is, but apparently, it was something that could have gotten her some treatments to atleast make her comfortable so she didnt have to die in agony.

I hope his family solace in something.

My mom lost her job not too long ago, COBRA was WAY more expensive than what she was already paying. I have a really good student job so, I purchased a plan to cover the three of us until she can get another job. The insurance costs $500 but we are 90% covered if something happens.

I am grateful for the little bit I can help my family out with right now.