No Fermi benchmarks / Price & TDP revealed

[shaynoa]

yes it does,all thing become a factor,i have 3 cpu fans bolted to the side of my case to keep my video cards cool and it does they sit at 38 to 45 c all the times without aircon

 

[Keysplayr]

When competing cards are within percentage points of each other in terms of performance, heat and power usage does indeed become a big factor.

Of course this is true to an extent, but I think everyone is just playing this up. I know all will claim to be frugal when buying a high end graphics card (which in itself isn't frugal) and count the amps coming from their wall outlets, but probably not many actually do. People will buy what they want when it comes to performance. And it looks as though the pricing might be good. We'll see.

 

[Daedalus685]

Of course this is true to an extent, but I think everyone is just playing this up. I know all will claim to be frugal when buying a high end graphics card (which in itself isn't frugal) and count the amps coming from their wall outlets, but probably not many actually do. People will buy what they want when it comes to performance. And it looks as though the pricing might be good. We'll see.

So you're telling me I'd be more enthusiastic (an enthusiast if you will) if I count the watts at the plug?

lol

 

[Soltis]

Seems like nvidia would've been better off not giving any launch dates.... its like hyping a kid up for Christmas then telling him he won't get his presents until Easter(or I suppose in this case just giving him a wrapped up box)

 

[Keysplayr]

So you're telling me I'd be more enthusiastic (an enthusiast if you will) if I count the watts at the plug?

lol

I told you what I told you.

 

[Edgy]

Not sure why so much focus on how late Fermi is and disappointing...

I think if Matrox or Power VR (or some other 3rd party) launches a graphics card with Fermi's capabilities and potential at this point in time, most people, including the same people criticizing Fermi currently, would mostly be excited as hell...

Yes - Nvidia had rough time in design & execution of Fermi - some of which should be attributed to them rightfully while other issues were beyond their control...

I think they're doing best they can to launch best product possible through all those issues and frankly, I think it will be a decent product while clearly not a home run.

One possible disappointment which I think is unfolding here from all these rumors is that it will take much longer time now until some competitive equilibrium (range of products & price points) is reached between NV & AMD so that we'll start seeing lower prices for their DX11 cards.

 

[finbarqs]

PHYSx here i come!

 

[scooterlibby]

Still unsure if I can use a 2xx series DX10 card as dedicated Physx and use Fermi for a DX11 game (am thinking of Metroid 2033 here).

 

[Skurge]

You spent $1700 on a pc and only have a 460w PSU to show for it?? I spent almost half as much as you and have a 700w PSU.

I had to cut corners somewhere, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.
The problem with Fermi having such a high TDP is that you loose potential buyers.

 

[SHAQ]

It's only 3 days. I am more miffed at the 10 day delay for actual availability.

 

[Sylvanas]

Pretty evident to all how the Nv fanboys are desperately trying to spin this away from time to market, power consumption, prices....ummm performance did I miss anything? It would be pretty hard to 'launch' anything without actually having it for sale or even any benches so I *hope* that we do actually get something on the 26th. I wonder how this has shaken Nv up and if they will consider taking AMD's path of smaller dies maximum performance per mm^2- next time I doubt it'll be a 4billion transistor chip on the horizon.

 

[AzN]

Please give me a card for a decent price. For $350 I can buy a playstation 3 and start racking up on console exclusives instead of playing console games on the PC.

 

[tviceman]

I had to cut corners somewhere, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.
The problem with Fermi having such a high TDP is that you loose potential buyers.

You don't cut corners when spending $1700 on a PC. At $1700, you're adding corners and shelves and gold plated bezels but that's not the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is that your original statement and intelligence is under question when you say "$1700" and "400w PSU" in reference to the same PC.

 

[crisium]

Please give me a card for a decent price. For $350 I can buy a playstation 3 and start racking up on console exclusives instead of playing console games on the PC.

Well that's if you really insist on games looking way better than consoles. Your 8800GT should make PC games look better than PS3 at this point anyway. The market above $100 is only for people who demand super graphics. I think a 4850 512MB can push out better visuals than anything on console and that's a $99 card.

 

[WelshBloke]

I don't get the "late to the market" argument. If Nvidia releases the card right now with a competitive price, how does it being late affect anything at all? If it was released 6 months ago, it would have been priced accordingly 6 months ago. If it's released now, it'll be priced according to the current market.

Well it takes most of the excitment out of the release.

I like to keep up on new tech even if I'm not going to be buying it, to me if its just going to look like what AMD released 6 months ago (+/-10%) then it goes from :awe: to :|.

 

[AzN]

Well that's if you really insist on games looking way better than consoles. Your 8800GT should make PC games look better than PS3 at this point anyway. The market above $100 is only for people who demand super graphics. I think a 4850 512MB can push out better visuals than anything on console and that's a $99 card.

It's really not about the graphics and it's only marginal at best. I rather play a half a decent game than play a game with all flash and no substance.

I downgraded to a 8800gt from GTX 260 waiting for fermi or a 5850 but now I'm not too sure. For that money I might just buy a ps3 and have much bigger game library to choose from.

 

[tviceman]

It's really not about the graphics. I rather play a half a decent game than play a game with all flash and no substance.

I downgraded to a 8800gt from GTX 260 waiting for fermi or a 5850 but now I'm not too sure. For that money I might just buy a ps3 and have much bigger game library to choose from.

Knock yourself out! No mods, lesser graphics, more expensive games, no mouse & keyboard. No convenience of alt+tabbing to get hints/clues/suggestions on the net while playing.

Have fun.

 

[AzN]

Knock yourself out! No mods, lesser graphics, more expensive games, no mouse & keyboard. No convenience of alt+tabbing to get hints/clues/suggestions on the net while playing.

Have fun.

Come now. I still have my PC.

 

[tviceman]

Come now. I still have my PC.

I know I know. Whenever someone brings up the whole "I can just buy a console" argument, I just wonder why they haven't yet. Consoles really aren't that much of a hardware investment - I just tend to believe the best of the best will still be on PC (even if a game has a multi platform release).

I get what you're saying - but high end pc gaming is going to inherently cost more in hardware than console gaming. It's up to you to decide if the advantages/cheaper games are worth it in the long term.

 

[Lonyo]

You don't cut corners when spending $1700 on a PC. At $1700, you're adding corners and shelves and gold plated bezels but that's not the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is that your original statement and intelligence is under question when you say "$1700" and "400w PSU" in reference to the same PC.

Now that is bad for me cause I don't have the option to upgrade to them without a new PSU (600W PSU costing >$200 in my country)

Not everyone lives in the US. Not everyone has the same things at the same prices.
Clearly he lives in a country where $1700 doesn't get you the same as it would in the US.

 

[toyota]

I know I know. Whenever someone brings up the whole "I can just buy a console" argument, I just wonder why they haven't yet. Consoles really aren't that much of a hardware investment - I just tend to believe the best of the best will still be on PC (even if a game has a multi platform release).

I get what you're saying - but high end pc gaming is going to inherently cost more in hardware than console gaming. It's up to you to decide if the advantages/cheaper games are worth it in the long term.

I would switch to consoles if the games were not so expensive. video cards right now offer very poor performance/price ratio and I too certainly dont want to pay 350 bucks for just a graphics upgrade that only 3-4 games even need. heck even the gtx260 cards are going for well more than I paid 16 months ago.

 

[blanketyblank]

I'm surprised no one is pissed off at NV's marketing cover up.
This seems like their original plan to use March 26 as an announcment and not an actual launch. Then when everyone got pissed off at them for that, they said that was a misunderstanding and it was an actual launch.
Now once the clamor has died down they are going back on their statements and giving us absolutely nothing on the 26th except a price announcment.

Damn you marketing people. Though seemingly effective lying just isn't the proper way to handle this.

 

[AzN]

I know I know. Whenever someone brings up the whole "I can just buy a console" argument, I just wonder why they haven't yet. Consoles really aren't that much of a hardware investment - I just tend to believe the best of the best will still be on PC (even if a game has a multi platform release).

I get what you're saying - but high end pc gaming is going to inherently cost more in hardware than console gaming. It's up to you to decide if the advantages/cheaper games are worth it in the long term.

It's a way to broaden game library. I can't hell as play GT5 or Final Fantasy on PC. It's about the experience not the graphics.

 

[AzN]

heck even the gtx260 cards are going for well more than I paid 16 months ago.

LOL... that's why I sold my GTX 260. I made out with $100 after downgrading then put it to my i3 upgrade and a hard drive. 8800gt plays just fine anything GTX 260 can just with lower AA settings at the same resolution.

 

[Lonyo]

I would switch to consoles if the games were not so expensive. video cards right now offer very poor performance/price ratio and I too certainly dont want to pay 350 bucks for just a graphics upgrade that only 3-4 games even need. heck even the gtx260 cards are going for well more than I paid 16 months ago.

That's a good thing.
Higher prices for equal or less performance is awesome, haven't you read the posts in this thread? At least half the people think it's good that prices are going up.

Just because the high end has had increase prices, the mid range has had increase prices, this is good!
Or at least, that's what certain people who seem to have a preference for NV seem to think. It's pretty great for ATI, they have no pressure to alter their prices, and have even increased them (high end), or managed to significantly improve margins (mid range), despite the mid range offering worse performance than the old cards, and being more expensive than them.

So yeah, there's nothing bad about NV being late to the game, or seeming to dry up supplies of their older cards. Nothing at all. It's great for, er, the consumer? Wait...