NJ Teacher's Union refusing minor paycut

[MJinZ]

Pretty much this. Teaching sucks but it's very stable. Their insane pensions are healthcare are a reward given in exchange for low salaries.

Work 9 months a year and make how low of salaries? Right.

No one in a Union makes low salary. Period.

Which reminds me, I need to work for the Federal Government.

 

[datalink7]

The school system is out of control in New Jersey. I'm the Company Commander for South Jersey Recruiting Company (US Army) right now so I work with a lot of administrators. There are way too many school "districts", leading to far too many superintendents. I've got one "school district" that is comprised of ONE school. So you've got a superintendent, and a principal, for one school... And I'm sure they get paid well into the six figures.

 

[bctbct]

Many in the private sector are taking paycuts, you fucktard. I personally took a 16% in August to save some of my employees from getting paycuts, and ended up getting laid off last month anyway. Fuck these greedy teachers.

wait a minute...you say you took a paycut to save jobs and they still cut the jobs??

sounds like the governors plan may work......

 

[BoberFett]

wait a minute...you say you took a paycut to save jobs and they still cut the jobs??

sounds like the governors plan may work......

Eh, the company I used to work for is circling the toilet bowl. It's owned/run by a family of incompetent buffoons and I'm happy to have been let go. I'm quite enjoying my extended paid vacation.

 

[StageLeft]

Actually, it does not sound reasonable at all.

Teachers often do not get but small cost of living increases each year. Where I'm at, I have lots of family that are in the profession, and the small raise they get usually - barely - covers the rise in insurance premiums. Teachers don't get alot of money in most places. My cousin has to pay over 850 a month for her family plan insurance (not including dental/vision).

If you want to cut education spending - how about testing. Cut that out. That'd save hundreds of millions. Stop transporting kids to school - end the school bus. Let that be the parent's job to get them there. Look at administrative salaries and positions. Look at sports programs. There are lots of places to slash. Leave teachers alone.

The deal is when times are good and the person that went into business/engineering/something else - they get nice raises, bonuses, etc - teachers - not at all. When times are bad - teachers should not have to go backwards in pay. Teachers even in the best of economies only get meager raises while everyone else gets great ones - they should keep what meager raises they get in the bad economies, too.

I don't want to get into the whole union argument - however, I am grateful for a semi normal workweek with time off with family. Thank you unions of old.

You forgot to reconcile this with the fact that NJ is getting curb stomped fiscally now. It has no damn money. There HAVE to be cuts OR big tax increases. Cristie is probably the first politician since the dawn of man who's actually (mostly) doing what he said he'd do in his election. It's scaring the hell out of these teachers. Beautiful.

 

[JSt0rm]

im a lib but i fucking hate union bitches ruining our kids.

 

[JSt0rm]

Actually, it does not sound reasonable at all.

Teachers often do not get but small cost of living increases each year. Where I'm at, I have lots of family that are in the profession, and the small raise they get usually - barely - covers the rise in insurance premiums. Teachers don't get alot of money in most places. My cousin has to pay over 850 a month for her family plan insurance (not including dental/vision).

If you want to cut education spending - how about testing. Cut that out. That'd save hundreds of millions. Stop transporting kids to school - end the school bus. Let that be the parent's job to get them there. Look at administrative salaries and positions. Look at sports programs. There are lots of places to slash. Leave teachers alone.

The deal is when times are good and the person that went into business/engineering/something else - they get nice raises, bonuses, etc - teachers - not at all. When times are bad - teachers should not have to go backwards in pay. Teachers even in the best of economies only get meager raises while everyone else gets great ones - they should keep what meager raises they get in the bad economies, too.

I don't want to get into the whole union argument - however, I am grateful for a semi normal workweek with time off with family. Thank you unions of old.

incase you haven't noticed virtually EVERYONE has taken a paycut of some kind. delusional dumb cunts

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

^^ the last fiscal year. Oh well atleast i didnt have shit to pay in taxes

 

[nageov3t]

im a lib but i fucking hate union bitches ruining our kids.

how are New Jersey teachers ruining your children?

 

[ShawnD1]

Work 9 months a year and make how low of salaries? Right.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=High_School_Teacher/Salary/by_State
It says new high school teachers get about $43k per year. Middle school and elementary teachers are paid considerably less.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104652.html
Median personal income in New Jersey was $47k in this 2006 data, so a fresh teacher with a 4 year degree earns less than most random people while the median teacher is a lot closer to the state median income.

So how much do teachers work? Luckily one of my friends became an elementary teacher and I could ask her on MSN. She says they stay maybe a day or two after the finals and they get back to school 1-2 weeks before school starts. That leaves about 5 weeks vacation.

Teachers actually do work about 40 hours per week (link)
43k moneys / 47 weeks worked / 40 hours per week = $22.87/hour

FUCKING TEACHERS MAKING ALMOST $23 PER HOUR? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.


In a couple weeks I'm graduating from electrical engineering and many of my class mates are already getting starting wages around $25/hour. We also get paid overtime (teachers do not). The only perk teachers have that I don't is a better pension.

 

[JSt0rm]

how are New Jersey teachers ruining your children?

public school system is ruining the countries children. I don't own any myself.

 

[StageLeft]

The only perk teachers have that I don't is a better pension.

That is one big c**ted benefit, let me tell you.

Or, at least it used to be/is right now. The pensions in this country are a joke and cannot be maintained, I don't think most on the public teat quite realize that yet.

$43k out of college is actually pretty good in most cases. Let's be honest, it's not like most people who go into teaching were choosing between that and being a cardiac surgeon.

 

[ShawnD1]

public school system is ruining the countries children. I don't own any myself.

You don't "own" children? :awe:

$43k out of college is actually pretty good in most cases. Let's be honest, it's not like most people who go into teaching were choosing between that and being a cardiac surgeon.

Maybe not a surgeon but they could easily be engineers like me or maybe a chemist like me or they could become skilled tradesmen. Nursing and teaching are about the same degree of difficulty, and both jobs involve dealing with assholes, so there's that option.

That teacher I talked to on MSN was really smart when we went to school together. I seem to remember her grades being slightly higher than mine. She was really good at remembering things so she did a lot better in biology than I did. She would probably make a great nurse.

 

[nageov3t]

That is one big c**ted benefit, let me tell you.

Or, at least it used to be/is right now. The pensions in this country are a joke and cannot be maintained, I don't think most on the public teat quite realize that yet.

$43k out of college is actually pretty good in most cases. Let's be honest, it's not like most people who go into teaching were choosing between that and being a cardiac surgeon.

I want to say that my sister started teaching in NJ a couple years ago in the high 20's

 

[JSt0rm]

Teachers actually do work about 40 hours per week (link)
43k moneys / 47 weeks worked / 40 hours per week = $22.87/hour

FUCKING TEACHERS MAKING ALMOST $23 PER HOUR? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

Your link shows new teachers work 35 hours per week

26.14 per hour

 

[bctbct]

Eh, the company I used to work for is circling the toilet bowl. It's owned/run by a family of incompetent buffoons and I'm happy to have been let go. I'm quite enjoying my extended paid vacation.

sorry, didnt realize you were talking about your job.

 

[JSt0rm]

lets not forget this is nj. What the fuck is the cost of living in that chemical laden hell hole?

 

[StageLeft]

I want to say that my sister started teaching in NJ a couple years ago in the high 20's

That sucks, but if we're comparing, my first job after college and another $22k in loans was in fact $24k/year.

 

[nageov3t]

That sucks, but if we're comparing, my first job after college and another $22k in loans was in fact $24k/year.

aren't you old? that was like 6 figures back then

 

[ProfJohn]

Lets see you take a pay cut first and then get back to us.

Millions of Americans took a 100% pay cut in the last couple of years.

I think the teachers can survive a 1.5% pay cut in this economy.

 

[ericlp]

Millions of Americans took a 100% pay cut in the last couple of years.

I think the teachers can survive a 1.5% pay cut in this economy.

Actually I think teachers and doctors (medical staff in general) can take a 20-30% cut in pay. Personally I want to see my Tax dollar go further...

 

[Hacp]

You're forgetting that half the time, the coin comes up heads. In times of prosperity, those teachers are still locked into their contracts, while others are getting significant pay raises or bonuses.

In times of prosperity, they can always migrate to other jobs if their skills warrant higher pay.

 

[ProfJohn]

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=High_School_Teacher/Salary/by_State
It says new high school teachers get about $43k per year. Middle school and elementary teachers are paid considerably less.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104652.html
Median personal income in New Jersey was $47k in this 2006 data, so a fresh teacher with a 4 year degree earns less than most random people while the median teacher is a lot closer to the state median income.

So how much do teachers work? Luckily one of my friends became an elementary teacher and I could ask her on MSN. She says they stay maybe a day or two after the finals and they get back to school 1-2 weeks before school starts. That leaves about 5 weeks vacation.

Teachers actually do work about 40 hours per week (link)
43k moneys / 47 weeks worked / 40 hours per week = $22.87/hour

FUCKING TEACHERS MAKING ALMOST $23 PER HOUR? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.


In a couple weeks I'm graduating from electrical engineering and many of my class mates are already getting starting wages around $25/hour. We also get paid overtime (teachers do not). The only perk teachers have that I don't is a better pension.

You are missing all the extra days off that they get during the year.

2 weeks at Christmas
1 week at Easter
5 weeks summer vacation
plus every holiday in existence.

My sister in-law is a teacher. Makes around $50k, has 8 weeks off a year, every holiday off and is home by 4-5 every day.

By most of our standards it would be considered a dream job.

 

[Blackjack200]

Since everyone is enamored with Christie (personally, I think he's acting exactly how Obama should have acted when he came into office: belligerent and uncompromising)...

...it's useful to note that New Jersey is in budget hell, not because of anything the teachers or their unions did, but because 15 years ago, Governor Christine Todd Whitman (R) FUCKED the pension fund.

http://blog.nj.com/njv_johnbury/2010/03/forecasting_nj_pension_doom.html

 

[Blackjack200]

You are missing all the extra days off that they get during the year.

2 weeks at Christmas
1 week at Easter
5 weeks summer vacation
plus every holiday in existence.

My sister in-law is a teacher. Makes around $50k, has 8 weeks off a year, every holiday off and is home by 4-5 every day.

By most of our standards it would be considered a dream job.

If you dream of making $50k, you must live in Pakistan.