Nikon D200 is here!!!

[tami]

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: tami
i may not have the dough to shell out for a brand new d200 as i just got the d70 in june, but i'm all for that kit lens. :thumbsup:

too bad it probably will cost $400+ alone.

Heh $400 is cheap for a lens. Based on the 24-120 VR, I'd expect it to be around $700.

well, if you'd prefer your 17-55 and want to sell it, let me know

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO
yep saw that. I think it might just be a modified cam 1000 system which is not bad to begin with. But it's all speculation at this point.

there is no cam 1000 in any othe camera IIRC

its CAm 900 in teh N80 and cheapies as well as the D70,D50,D100

Cam 1300 is whats in the F100 amd cam 2000 is in the F5,F6 and the D2 series digitals

 

[IBuyUFO]

haha ok guess I'm not that fanatical about the nikon system since I don't know my cam systems

 

[Anubis]

also its a 10mp CCD and NOT a CMOS chip like the D2X uses, so its something totally new, with and extended ISO range, man i need to go and rob a bank

 

[JMWarren]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO
yep saw that. I think it might just be a modified cam 1000 system which is not bad to begin with. But it's all speculation at this point.

there is no cam 1000 in any othe camera IIRC

its CAm 900 in teh N80 and cheapies as well as the D70,D50,D100

Cam 1300 is whats in the F100 amd cam 2000 is in the F5,F6 and the D2 series digitals

Right, excpt the F5 is CAM1300. CAM2000 started with d2h. I'm still not sure how nikon is gonna work an 11 point AF with only 1000 pixels, as CAM1300 was only 5 point but had 300 more pixels...perhaps they've dropped the pixel relation?

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO
yep saw that. I think it might just be a modified cam 1000 system which is not bad to begin with. But it's all speculation at this point.

there is no cam 1000 in any othe camera IIRC

its CAm 900 in teh N80 and cheapies as well as the D70,D50,D100

Cam 1300 is whats in the F100 amd cam 2000 is in the F5,F6 and the D2 series digitals

Right on, except for one small detail: the F5 used the same CAM1300 as the F100, except it had a more powerful focusing motor, so non-AFS lenses were driven faster. With the new lenses, however, focus performance between the F100 and F5 was supposedly identical (for all practical intents...). What can I say, though? I have only a D1, so all I can assert is that CAM1300 was excellent, and I hope that CAM1000 comes close to what CAM1300 was before CAM2000 showed up and raised the bar further.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO
yep saw that. I think it might just be a modified cam 1000 system which is not bad to begin with. But it's all speculation at this point.

there is no cam 1000 in any othe camera IIRC

its CAm 900 in teh N80 and cheapies as well as the D70,D50,D100

Cam 1300 is whats in the F100 amd cam 2000 is in the F5,F6 and the D2 series digitals

Right on, except for one small detail: the F5 used the same CAM1300 as the F100, except it had a more powerful focusing motor, so non-AFS lenses were driven faster. With the new lenses, however, focus performance between the F100 and F5 was supposedly identical (for all practical intents...). What can I say, though? I have only a D1, so all I can assert is that CAM1300 was excellent, and I hope that CAM1000 comes close to what CAM1300 was before CAM2000 showed up and raised the bar further.

humm i could have sworn the F5 started to have CAM 2000 after they made it o well, yea i just hope its as fast as 1300 which is pretty awsome

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: s0ssos

Originally posted by: PHiuR

Originally posted by: Vegito

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So are we talking a FF camera from Nikon at a EOS-20D price? Or more of a 5D competitor?

its not full frame

and itll be sub 2000$

im too lazy to look right now but whats full frame.. i just started to google dslr stuff so all this is new..

"lower end" DSLRs have a crop to them...so when you use a lens you have to multiply 1.x (usually 3-6) to your focal length.

nice. first you imply the 17-55 is a horrible lens, then you say dslr's that aren't full-frame are "lower end". uhhuh. ever heard of the d2x?

did I imply the 17-55 as a horrible lens? If my 20D can take that lens it would prob be my main lens...

Isn't the d2x full frame? with crop if you want to shoot faster?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nikon finally has a 20D!

Took long enough

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Nikon finally has a 20D!

Took long enough

I thought the only reason Canon made a 20D was because the Rebel couldn't keep up with the D70

 

[IronWing]

Thanks for the link. I didn't know about the Coolpix S4. Good to see the return of the swivel design.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: PHiuR
did I imply the 17-55 as a horrible lens? If my 20D can take that lens it would prob be my main lens...

Isn't the d2x full frame? with crop if you want to shoot faster?

The D2x is a 1.5X crop DSLR, that can also work as a 2X crop DSLR at 8fps instead of the usual 5fps. At the 1.5X crop, which uses all of the sensor, it records ~12MP; when in the reduced mode, it records something like 6.8MP if I remember correctly.

 

[virtuamike]

Woohooo official specs

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: PHiuR
did I imply the 17-55 as a horrible lens? If my 20D can take that lens it would prob be my main lens...

Isn't the d2x full frame? with crop if you want to shoot faster?

The D2x is a 1.5X crop DSLR, that can also work as a 2X crop DSLR at 8fps instead of the usual 5fps. At the 1.5X crop, which uses all of the sensor, it records ~12MP; when in the reduced mode, it records something like 6.8MP if I remember correctly.

you are correct

5FPS at 12mp
and 8.5 at 6.8 mp in the x mode, all nikon digitals are APS sized sensors so they all nave the crop

 

[JulesMaximus]

So, is this another 1.6x crop factor camera? I didn't see it listed anywhere in the specs.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
So, is this another 1.6x crop factor camera? I didn't see it listed anywhere in the specs.

It's a 1.5X crop camera, as are all Nikon-made DSLRs (the exception, which is - er, was - not made by Nikon, was the Kodak DCS Pro SLR/n).

 

[DBL]

Good for Nikon. Expect Canon to release their 20D upgrade in the next few months (No later than April?). Expect it to have more impressive specs. As usual, Nikon can only keep a lead for 2-5 months before they are trumped by Canon, whereas Canon keeps its lead for 1-2years. However, the fact that Nikon can be somewhat competitive benifits the consumer. There would certainly be a lot less innovation w/o Canon and Nikon competition.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: DBL
Good for Nikon. Expect Canon to release their 20D upgrade in the next few months (No later than April?). Expect it to have more impressive specs. As usual, Nikon can only keep a lead for 2-5 months before they are trumped by Canon, whereas Canon keeps its lead for 1-2years. However, the fact that Nikon can be somewhat competitive benifits the consumer. There would certainly be a lot less innovation w/o Canon and Nikon competition.

there is currently only 1 canon that is better then anything in the nikon line up, its the 1ds2n, as good as the D2Hs is teh lack of MPs does hurt it

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
So, is this another 1.6x crop factor camera? I didn't see it listed anywhere in the specs.

It's a 1.5X crop camera, as are all Nikon-made DSLRs (the exception, which is - er, was - not made by Nikon, was the Kodak DCS Pro SLR/n).

Well, I'll keep saving for the Canon 5D. Full frame, 12.8 MP...yeah, that's my next camera for sure. It will go nicely with my L series lenses. It's only about $1500 more than the D200.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: DBL
Good for Nikon. Expect Canon to release their 20D upgrade in the next few months (No later than April?). Expect it to have more impressive specs. As usual, Nikon can only keep a lead for 2-5 months before they are trumped by Canon, whereas Canon keeps its lead for 1-2years. However, the fact that Nikon can be somewhat competitive benifits the consumer. There would certainly be a lot less innovation w/o Canon and Nikon competition.

there is currently only 1 canon that is better then anything in the nikon line up, its the 1ds2n, as good as the D2Hs is teh lack of MPs does hurt it

That is nothing but pure biased opinion.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: DBL
Good for Nikon. Expect Canon to release their 20D upgrade in the next few months (No later than April?). Expect it to have more impressive specs. As usual, Nikon can only keep a lead for 2-5 months before they are trumped by Canon, whereas Canon keeps its lead for 1-2years. However, the fact that Nikon can be somewhat competitive benifits the consumer. There would certainly be a lot less innovation w/o Canon and Nikon competition.

there is currently only 1 canon that is better then anything in the nikon line up, its the 1ds2n, as good as the D2Hs is teh lack of MPs does hurt it

Perhaps I should have said "as good as or better"? Often, Nikon's release has only been to match the offerings from Canon while Canon always takes a lead when it releases a new DSLR. However, I would argue that the 20D is still better than Nikons offering considering you still can't buy a D200. I would not be surprised at all if Canon leaked info regarding its 20D replacement before the D200 hit the shelves, considering it seems the D200 release is still 6 weeks away.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: DBL
Good for Nikon. Expect Canon to release their 20D upgrade in the next few months (No later than April?). Expect it to have more impressive specs. As usual, Nikon can only keep a lead for 2-5 months before they are trumped by Canon, whereas Canon keeps its lead for 1-2years. However, the fact that Nikon can be somewhat competitive benifits the consumer. There would certainly be a lot less innovation w/o Canon and Nikon competition.

there is currently only 1 canon that is better then anything in the nikon line up, its the 1ds2n, as good as the D2Hs is teh lack of MPs does hurt it

Perhaps I should have said "as good as or better"? Often, Nikon's release has only been to match the offerings from Canon. However, I would argue that the 20D is still better than Nikons offering considering you still can't buy a D200. I would not be surprised at all if Canon leaked info regarding its 20D replacement before the D200 hit the shelves, considering it seems the D200 release is still 6 weeks away.

i think the 5D was that camera, i doubt they announce another one for a while

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: DBL
Perhaps I should have said "as good as or better"? Often, Nikon's release has only been to match the offerings from Canon. However, I would argue that the 20D is still better than Nikons offering considering you still can't buy a D200. I would not be surprised at all if Canon leaked info regarding its 20D replacement before the D200 hit the shelves, considering it seems the D200 release is still 6 weeks away.

i think the 5D was that camera, i doubt they announce another one for a while

I don't think so. The 5D was for a small base that was after an affordable FF DSLR. They have a $1500 DSLR (10D and 20D) price point that I would be very surprised to see them abandon, unless they decided to go lower ($1200) to eat at Nikons margins. Logically, the next camera should be the 30D but since that may be confused with the D30, maybe they will jump to the 40D? They seem to be on no more than 18 month cycles, which is why I'd expect an announcement soon. We'll see.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: DBL
Perhaps I should have said "as good as or better"? Often, Nikon's release has only been to match the offerings from Canon. However, I would argue that the 20D is still better than Nikons offering considering you still can't buy a D200. I would not be surprised at all if Canon leaked info regarding its 20D replacement before the D200 hit the shelves, considering it seems the D200 release is still 6 weeks away.

i think the 5D was that camera, i doubt they announce another one for a while

I don't think so. The 5D was for a small base that was after an affordable FF DSLR. They have a $1500 DSLR (10D and 20D) price point that I would be very surprised to see them abandon, unless they decided to go lower ($1200) to eat at Nikons margins. Logically, the next camera should be the 30D but since that may be confused with the D30, maybe they will jump to the 40D? They seem to be on no more than 18 month cycles, which is why I'd expect an announcement soon. We'll see.

the 20D is still selling fine, it woiuld be stupid to announce another one now, and have the 30d? 20D and rebel xt all so close in price,

unless of course they drop the 20D price to a grand and kill off the rebel, but i surley doubt they will do that

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: DBL
Good for Nikon. Expect Canon to release their 20D upgrade in the next few months (No later than April?). Expect it to have more impressive specs. As usual, Nikon can only keep a lead for 2-5 months before they are trumped by Canon, whereas Canon keeps its lead for 1-2years. However, the fact that Nikon can be somewhat competitive benifits the consumer. There would certainly be a lot less innovation w/o Canon and Nikon competition.

there is currently only 1 canon that is better then anything in the nikon line up, its the 1ds2n, as good as the D2Hs is teh lack of MPs does hurt it

That is nothing but pure biased opinion.

Truth.

In my opinion Canon > Nikon (bang for the buck is paramount for me), but I gotta admit, this one one sharp looking camera.

As for the comments about about the 12MP being too large, I contend there's no such thing. If nothing else, it allows you greater detail in cropped shots.

Personally I'll be sticking with Canon, based on my investment in glass, if nothing else. I'll likely buy a 5D when it's no longer brand new and the prices on it settle a bit. Til then, 6.3 MP is fine for me.