Usually, a conservative is associated with someone who resist change. With that in mind, it is nice to see progressive liberals acting like conservatives.
When it comes to just about anything having to do with changing the obama agenda, liberals act like conservatives and resist change. What are these new found conservatives afraid of? For example, the net worked just fine before 2015. Yet, listen to the progressives at Google and the sky is falling.
Talk about improving healthcare, and new found conservatives protest in droves.
Revise the tax code, new found conservatives protest.
Why are liberals flipping and becoming conservatives? Trump has an agenda, just like obama did. If people opposed the obama agenda, they were called racist. What do we call people who resist Trumps agenda? Maybe call them right wing conservatives?
When obama was bringing about change, he was considered a progressive. Now it is Trump who is the progressive and bringing about change.
Since I support Trump, does that make me a liberal? Probably so, but a right wing liberal, if there is such a thing.
So liberals, how does it feel to protest change and be a conservative?
No, not really. There's quite a lot of liberals that weren't entirely pleased with the Obama agenda, as it was actually quite conservative in the end. He did make progress though, which is why many view him overall favorably. Plus many can see that he had no chance of implementing real meaningful progressive change because Republicans threw tantrums and obstructed almost as much as they could.
You really need to actually read up on this stuff. The net actually wasn't working fine before 2015. Literally the couple of years prior telecoms had been pulling a lot of bullshit (Comcast and Verizon tried to actively sabotage Netflix in order to hold them ransom and get them to pay up so they could double dip). Hope you're not someone that ever bitches about your communication services (highly doubt that, there's plenty of reasons telecom companies consistently are some of the most hated). The other problem is that you're comparing it to what you viewed as fine, when the reality is that we should've been much more advanced. Telecoms got billions of dollars to roll out fiber in the 90s. They took the money, they just didn't actually roll out the fiber. But hey, you seem to think that's totally ok. Also, you seem to be ignoring that the companies have gotten more aggressive and have started consolidating massively, meaning they're collapsing the markets. You know the supposed free markets that we're supposed to have, but absolutely don't.
That's because their revision is stupid. Its not liberals saying that even. Its economists, businesses, and pretty much anyone that understands basic math even. Because their tax plan is so shitty that basic math shows it to be a failure.
They're not? The problem is you think his agenda is in line with yours. Its not. Turmp's agenda is what benefits Turmp. He's already fucked you over and you're applauding him. No they weren't. Well they were when they couldn't come up with legitimate reasons to oppose it that weren't racist or otherwise bigoted, which was an allarmingly rare.
That's an incredibly bizarre way to look at things. The funniest part is that you act like your issue with liberals is that they were pushing for so much radical change, only now Republicans are, and you're totally ok with that. Seems to me that if anyone is flipping its you.
You do realize the 1950s had the highest standard of living in a generation, right?
it was after nixon took us off the gold standard and established trade with China that things went down hill
There's issues with looking at things just in that manner. America had high relative standard of living for good reason in the 50s. It basically reaped most of the benefits of WWII, in that it built up American industrial might, while we suffered the least damage of just about any developed nation at the time (many of which were turned into rubble). And we because of that, we got to play a huge role in building them back up. We also got the influx of a lot of the smartest people in the world as they fled Europe and Asia (before, during, and after the war). Naturally all of that was going to change as other countries caught back up to us. Especially in the past 20-30 years where countries like Germany, UK, Japan, and China stabilized politically (doing things like public health care systems, which is a major reason why the US is starting to fall behind). The US sunk its wealth into military and now we're reaping the problems of focusing on military spending for so long, while we let public health and other problems become huge issues (and our politics demand that we not only don't cut military spending but keep increasing it). And the thing is, modern war doesn't pay back, so we're paying to keep this massive "defense" apparatus, which actually undermines us, as the cost of the relatively small Iraq and Afghanistan wars, played a huge role in nearly collapsing our economy (granted, it wouldn't have been nearly as much of an issue were it not for the combination of tax cuts that further screwed up income equality, and then deregulation of markets; you know the two things that Turmp and the Republicans have been trying to push farther than they've been in basically a century, all while we're still spending massive amounts on various military missions that threaten to drag us into outright wars again).
America also had its best income equality during that time (well not entirely, that whole race/sex issue)...thanks to high taxes, especially on the wealthy. And then spectacular failures in foreign policy led to major problems in the 70s as Republicans started to erode the things that had given us a strong middle class economic bass. It was around this time that much of Europe started seriously transitioning to the modern states we know them as. And then the 80s and Reagan rolled around and we paid Wall Street to slash and burn and outsource.
Ok, so you believe that's what caused it, and you're championing a guy who literally thinks that he can just make up money? You know that, right? Turmp's personal and political economics is based on him fabricating numbers to make it work. When basic auditing (as in tallying up their numbers using basic math) is applied, his numbers go to hell. Lots of economics analysis shows his numbers go to hell even with their favorable fabrications (which just caused them to push those fabrications higher, they claimed 3% sustainable GDP growth, when people said that was basically twice what is expected of 1.5%, Turmp has now started saying 4%).
Does not matter what the change is, if someone resist change, they are a conservative.
that is what liberal say, right?
Strange how the tables are turned when things do not go how progressives want.
Uh, no. I have no clue where you're getting that from. I see tons of liberals (hell I see tons of people in general) calling for lots of changes. Just not the ones that Republicans are trying to institute because they not only are the opposite of what experts in basically every field affected say they should be doing, they're often defeated by basic logic, and a dash of humanity. Hell I see tons of "conservatives" now going "why the fuck don't we have public health care for all?" even, which uh, strange for conservatives to be saying stuff like that, eh? I don't know of anyone that doesn't think we should change the tax setup (well other than maybe H&R Block). Or that we shouldn't be reforming tons of things. Just, generally in the complete opposite way that Republicans and Turmp are doing it. They're wanting to go back to the 50s, where it wasn't so much that things were all peachy, its that they were unaware of (out of innocent ignorance) or just chose to ignore most problems (willfull, malignant ignorance) until they absolutely couldn't (which is exactly why they literally go "well if we didn't bother looking for problems, we wouldn't be finding so many" as though that magically makes those problems not exist). Well that and they made sure to keep minorities and women out of things so that white males could reap most of the benefits. Women had gotten a taste though and they started to get out into the workforce more (which is one of the reasons we have actually kept doing well even as we began to dismantle our economy, we've been slowly diversifying which is bringing people into the workforce and markets that hadn't been there before, but we're not able to exploit foreign countries as much).
No, what's strange is that after working on compromises and implementing many many many conservative ideas (seriously, Clinton and Obama were hardly radical liberals, they were pretty heavily centrist, its just that conservatives have skewed so far right in the past 30 years that it opened up a big and ever widening gap, whereas they used to be much more in line; and society in general has progressed steadily to the left, further making the conservative skew to the right more radical; funny that you keep insisting that liberals have suddenly ground to a halt and are hunkering down as conservatives), we just keep ending up no better off, because conservatives throw shit fits and intentionally try to sabotage things and they use emotional things to gain power wherein they then consistently are crooked pieces of shit that end up leaving messes (that they then blame on the Democrats and then blame them for not cleaning it up). And instead of us slapping sense into them, we try to be reasonable and compromise, but they just throw more tantrums.
The reality of the situation is that conservatives generally went along with the overall progress of society, just being more reserved and cautious. But then they got hijacked, and in spite of them claiming to be "fiscal conservative" they often go radically predatory capitalizing for themselves while demanding that everyone else remains fiscally responsible. Ever since then, they've basically become a cocktail of crazy. Social conservatives enabling these false fiscal conservatives, who in turn screw up everything by trying to use money as their guiding principle. And then both of them enabling even more extreme ideologies to come in, all the meanwhile they each just blame liberals for everything, and then keep enabling the toxic members of their group to screw everyone over.
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